The Hobbit

Cthulhu

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But still, things will be different compared to back when. I just looked it up, it's hard to believe that the original, first installment of LotR came out in 2001; ffs I was 15 at the time, apparently. But yeah, different; at the time, it was only the second movie (I think) I watched in the cinema, and one of the very, very few all-family events we did, at least, beyond going to theme parks back when we were all kids. It's 11 years later now, it'll be different, :monster:. But then again, it might be an opportunity to get the whole family to go out again together. You know, beyond things like birthdays. iirc, the last time the whole family was together was at my bday party last January. And as usual, that was mainly about my older brother's job, or lack thereof, :monster:.

But I'm ranting, don't mind me, :monster:.
 

Hisako

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judging from the previous extended home editions, it'll probably be like 14 frickin' hours baw.

Keep a sleeping bag on hand for those ones :monster:
 

Cthulhu

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Death by LotR marathon? This plus the original triology, a 24 hour nerdfest :monster:.

It's gonna be worse than Star Wars.

And they haven't even started on the Silmarillion and things like that. Aaaasdfliasjfoi
 

Tennyo

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24 hours of LOTR/Hobbit Peter Jackson style would be wonderful.

Actually, I'm joking, sitting in front of a TV that long would drive me nuts. Even still...

But I am highly looking forward to these movies. I hated The Hobbit as a book, but I have no doubt that Peter Jackson would make it wonderful.

And they haven't even started on the Silmarillion and things like that. Aaaasdfliasjfoi

Are they seriously discussing a Silmarillion movie/trilogy?
 

Tetsujin

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They only have the movie rights to The Hobbit and LotR.

Seeing as Christopher Tolkien really, really doesn't like the movies, it is doubtful they ever get the rights to other stuff.
 

Tetsujin

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To him they're just action movies made for teenagers or something. :ultros:

Edit:

"They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people 15 to 25," Christopher says regretfully. "And it seems that The Hobbit will be the same kind of film."

The divorce is systematically reactivated by the movies. "Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed by the absurdity of our time," Christopher Tolkien observes sadly. "The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has gone too far for me. Such commercialisation has reduced the esthetic and philosophical impact of this creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: turning my head away."

Source: http://sedulia.blogs.com/sedulias_translations/2012/07/was-first-felt.html
 

Obsidian Fire

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^^I'm trying to think what else I would call them (action movies), even as books. I mean, when the majority of the book is all the good guys fighting their way though all the bad guys to get to whateveer goal, it's going to be an action movie no matter what you do. Unless you made all the fights take place off screen... which would have every reader of the books crying foul. (The Silmarillion does this a lot actually.) Then again, every fantasy series has this issue. LOTR succeeds in that the books (and movies) focus more on what everyone is fighting for then the fighting itself.
 

Captain Jack Harkness

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and i have to add that jacson simply can't make a film about 'a story for kids'. it simply can't be. but i never expected a Silmarillion triology, so i don't think i'll cry if Jackson and C.Tolkien divorce.
 

Tennyo

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To be honest, I never expected them to make a movie based on Silmarillion either. I don't really feel that book would lends itself very well to the big screen.

I don't think I ever even finished reading it, either. oops

I also don't know what Christopher Tolkien expected, either. I don't know, I think he sounds kind of pretentious.
 

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I'd tell Christopher Tolkien to go do something to himself that he would find repulsive. These movies make the stories more accessible to people who would otherwise not be interested. I never even heard of the books before the movies were released. Assuming he gets royalties from his father's estate, I wouldn't be bitching. I bet his wealth sky-rocketed with people buying both the books and movies after the movies were released.
 

X-SOLDIER

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Pffff. It's not an action movie for young people at all. The 15-25 demographic is just the most vocal fanbase, so that's probably all he sees. There're plenty of people who don't even watch them because "they're all about walking" so you can't even NEARLY call it an action film. It's solidly in the fantasy genre.

It's also clear that Christopher Tolkien doesn't understand the difference in how you need to pace and deliver stories in film format vs in book format, if he thinks that there's seriously a CHASM between the beauty and seriousness of the books, and what the films delivered. The films won't ever reach what your imagination gives, but I'd say that's it's the loss in format translation.

Also, I'm not sure what he's seen for The Hobbit aside from the trailer, but I think it's pretty bold of him to judge a set of films that he hasn't even seen.



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Hisako

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To be fair, The Hobbit was one of the earliest books that I'd read (and actually remembered) in my childhood :monster:
There's obviously a disconnect between adventure movies that have been transformed into action-focused films, but I've always felt that Jackson's struck that fine balance. Most of the battles that happen in LotR weren't simply gratuitous.

All this said, The Hobbit felt like a much lighter experience than LotR to me, but maybe that's just the context within which I read it. :monster:
 

Ite

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From what I gather from the preview, Hobbit's going to be much more lighthearted than LotR -- in fitting with the books. Even the banter between Bilbo and Gollum is funny.
 

Danseru-kun

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As for the Hobbit book itselt, it took me so long to finish it. I just can't relate to any character at all since they are so detached from me; male dwarves and a hobbit. There is also no strong female presence in the book, just nitpicking I was able to relate to Bilbo more in the trilogy movies- a person wanting an adventure but couldn't anymore.

I'd tell Christopher Tolkien to go do something to himself that he would find repulsive. These movies make the stories more accessible to people who would otherwise not be interested. I never even heard of the books before the movies were released. Assuming he gets royalties from his father's estate, I wouldn't be bitching. I bet his wealth sky-rocketed with people buying both the books and movies after the movies were released.

Agree.

I think the main reason why Tolkien Jr is so bitter is because their family lost the rights to the royalties when Tolkien sold LOTR in the 1960's I think. But I would agree that the movies were great. I read the books after watching the movie and although purists might hate me I think the movie justified it.

Aragorn in the movies is much more better than the books since in the books he's just too perfect, does nothing wrong, no doubts, knows everything and he's so bent on taking the back the throne. Pippin and Merry are also more relatable in the movies as young hobbits growing up because of tough times. I also loved the expansion of Arwen's role and the incorporation her love story to the main story. Boromir was wonderfully played by Sean Bean and his death was much sadder in the movie to me.

And I never liked Tom Bombadil, I'm glad he was cut out XD

As for character, the movies cannot simply fully capture the complexity of Eowyn, Gollum and Sam as well as the friendship between Legolas and Gimli but I can see the effort.

The action scenes were never seen before in any movies and even after 11 years I've never seen something as grand. I just LOL at poor-written CGI-fest movies trying so hard to be epic. Elrond, Faramir and Denethor are OOC and probably I was mostly disappointed with Frodo. Elijah Wood was magnificent but I never get why Jackson made Frodo so weak in the movies.

AND THE MUSIC! EPIC MUSIC!

I know the movies aren't perfect I have issues as well but it doesn't change my opinion that they are really awesome and has translated Tolkien's work into something unimaginable for him.
 

Captain Jack Harkness

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Aragorn in the movies is much more better than the books since in the books he's just too perfect, does nothing wrong, no doubts, knows everything and he's so bent on taking the back the throne.
don't forget Aragon is Beren' reincanation and this is
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:monster:. Aragon is almost JRRT's gary stu:monster:
Pippin and Merry are also more relatable in the movies as young hobbits growing up because of tough times. I also loved the expansion of Arwen's role and the incorporation her love story to the main story.
agree
Boromir was wonderfully played by Sean Bean and his death was much sadder in the movie to me.
well, i don't like too much Boromir in the film, but i think it's only 'cause i see the film when i were a kid and he doesn't really act as 'a good guy'. after i realized it's was partially The Ring's fault. But i can't disagree about his death. too epic. (and i have to admit, his death remind me zack's death in CC, which is pretty epic :D )
And I never liked Tom Bombadil, I'm glad he was cut out XD
what? :( i like Bombadil. for me it's Tolkien trying drugs :(


AND THE MUSIC! EPIC MUSIC!
LotR has, after Star wars, the best soundtrack i ever heard in a film. there're no words for Rohan or the main theme. too epic for word.
 
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