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That one kind of looks shooped, to be honest. It doesn't show up on any Japanese links I've checked at any rate -- I don't think it's an official promotion image.
The Love Triangle Debate: Another Turn in the Cycle
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUkT9IjPBpQ
Apparently Kitase talks about Cloud and Aerith a lot here (from 23.50), or something
Thanks for the full picture Que, when I saw other version with squareportal article I couldn't even see their hands
Tifa's earring is shiiny, cute.
Apparently Kitase talks about Cloud and Aerith a lot here (from 23.50), or something
Thanks for the full picture Que, when I saw other version with squareportal article I couldn't even see their hands
Tifa's earring is shiiny, cute.
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The Twilight Mexican
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Do you have a link to it on the official site? I didn't see it anywhere.
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http://squareportal.net/2014/01/31/final-fantasy-vii-static-arts-minis-will-be-released-this-fall/
or is that not an official site? I assumed it was since it's selling their merch
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Looking around it might just be a news site... idk it's my friend's fault, he linked me to it
but Glenn knew it was shopped cause of the pixels and having seen many shops
or is that not an official site? I assumed it was since it's selling their merch
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Looking around it might just be a news site... idk it's my friend's fault, he linked me to it
but Glenn knew it was shopped cause of the pixels and having seen many shops
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You just get an eye for these things.
And, yeah, Square Portal is just a fan site:
http://squareportal.net/square-enix/
And, yeah, Square Portal is just a fan site:
http://squareportal.net/square-enix/
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Sorry for not getting to this sooner...
What further substantiates that Barret is a member of this family is when Barret says, "Take care!" His voice was a little shaky. "Put the family's strength together and keep at it!" Barret is referring to all of them as a family, *HIS* family. Barret is leaving his family, and he wants to make sure they stay strong while he's gone.
It is also stated that Barret, “Upon finding out that Edge was under attack during the midst of his travels, he rushed over towards the crisis faced by his family and companions." ~Barret's profile; 10th Anniversary Ultimania
Let us also remember that Tifa considered the former members of AVALANCHE a "family of friends," so why would this time be any different? Tifa further admits they aren’t a “real," or traditional family.
It seems clear that not only did Barret help form and create this family, but that he also considered himself a member of this family because he tells them to, “Put the family’s strength together” when he leaves, and he also rushes back to defend his “family” when he hears they are under attack. In-fact, this entire living situation was originally Barret's idea, and had nothing to do with Cloud and Tifa's hypothetical romantic relationship.
In addition, Marlene invites Cloud to join her family (Marlene's family includes Barret). Cloti’s try to diminish and dismiss this by saying what a child says is meaningless. However, we must remember that SE created Marlene’s dialogue. Therefore, because SE wrote Marlene's dialogue, it *IS* meaningful and significant that Marlene invited Cloud to join her family -- a family that already includes Barret.
Cloud and Tifa seemed perplexed when Marlene referred to them as a family, which is even further evidence that this "family" is not proof of a romantic relationship between Cloud and Tifa.
If Marlene invited Cloud to join her family, and if Barret refers to all of them as his family when he leaves, and if Barret helped form and create this family in Edge, it is undeniable that he is a member of this family.
Furthermore, virtually every single quote that omits Barret and refers to only Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel, refers to them being a family *LIVING* together. Why would any of these quotes include Barret when he’s not living with them?
Here are all the quotes:
The three words of importance: "live"/"living"/"lived"
Barret isn’t *living* with them because he is away on missions. So why would he be included in *ANY* of the quotes that talk about them *living* together? But just because Barret doesn’t *live* with them doesn’t mean he isn’t a-part of the family.
What’s *VERY* ironic is that *THIS* quote Cloti’s use to exclude Barret proves my EXACT point:
"After visiting various locations with Tifa and Barret, Tifa opened the “Seventh Heaven” bar. Before setting off on a journey, Barret left Marlene in Cloud and Tifa’s care, and the three of them began living together." ~FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania Cloud Strife Profile”
It says that the, “three of them [Cloud, Tifa, Marlene]” began *living* together *AFTER* Barret set off on a “journey”. This unequivocally proves that when the words “live”/”living”/”lived” are used to describe Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel, it is *ONLY* excluding Barret because Barret is not *TECHNICALLY* “living” with them.
However, just because those quotes do not refer to Barret living with them doesn’t negate his role as Marlene’s Father, nor does it exclude Barret from the formation and creation of the family in Edge. Barret considers himself a member of the family when he says to unite the family’s strength when he leaves, and he rushes back to defend his family when he hears they are under attack.
Also – why would SE have Marlene be a member of two families? That just doesn’t make sense, especially because SE has Marlene invite Cloud into her family.
Now finally, here is the quote Cloti’s use as their golden piece of evidence:
"When he awakes, there was his friends. There were the children, freed from their fatal illness. Tifa and Marlene, and Denzel asking for Cloud to heal his Geostigma— his family were waiting. Engulfed in celebration, he realizes where he is meant to live. He realizes that he was able to forgive himself." ~SOURCE: 10th AU, ACC Playback
The reason this quote only refers to Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel is because they want Cloud to return to Seventh Heaven because Geostigma has been keeping him away. Barret isn’t living at Seventh Heaven, which is why his name is omitted from that quote in particular.
But even if you don’t accept my explanation, this quote is in contradiction to other quotes that do include Barret in the family. So, at the very least, SE is inconsistent.
Unfortunately for you, Cloud and Tifa do not act like boyfriend/girlfriend in AC. We never see a kiss, a hug, holding hands, or anything that typical couples do. How can anyone say that they're definitely in a romantic relationship when there's nothing to indicate that they are?
In CoT, it's just as easy to imagine that the two of them are living together in separate rooms than to think of them as in a romantic relationship. In fact, there's hints dropped that they're living in separate rooms when Tifa tells Cloud to drink in his room, a room that has a bed in it.
Bottom line: Cloud and Tifa didn't make up the family. Barret and Marlene did. Barret was the first to call them a family in CoT, and then Marlene said she was going to put Cloud in the family, too.
I don't deny that Cloud and Aerith would have their own problems. But in my opinion, their dynamic would have worked out far better than Cloud and Tifa's. SE has given numerous hints and clues that heavily suggest this, especially considering SE has made it a point to show Tifa is jealous of Cloud and Aerith's "special bond".
Also -- common sense tells us Cloud feels guilt because he let a good friend and a romantic companion die. Cloud's love for both Zack and Aerith is the root cause of his guilt.
Cloud and Tifa are running a business together, which was an idea Barret came up with. There is no proof Cloud and Tifa are living together because of their assumed romantic relationship. In-fact, if we look at how the new Seventh Heaven was formed and created, it is clear that romance had nothing to do with it -- it was all Barret's idea.
Both the living situation, and the children, have nothing to do with Cloud and Tifa's assumed romantic relationship. Cloud and Tifa are living in a place that was re-built with the help of Barret, and they are running a business that was originally Barret's idea. The children they are raising are Barret's daughter, and a child Cloud believes was brought to him by Aerith. Barret considers himself a member of this family, and Marlene invites Cloud to join her family -- a family that already includes Barret. None of this proves Cloud and Tifa are in a romantic relationship. Period.
Barret says, “How about we start a business and sell this alcohol?" while talking to Cloud and Tifa. Barret then suggests Tifa should manage the bar, and Cloud should get the necessary supplies to run the business. Notice how Barret says *WE* should start a business together. Barret then helps organize and re-build Seventh Heaven, and keeps in constant contact with Cloud, Tifa, and Marlene after he leaves. Think of Barret as a Father who helped form and create this family, but happens to travel for a living.Ryu said:
What further substantiates that Barret is a member of this family is when Barret says, "Take care!" His voice was a little shaky. "Put the family's strength together and keep at it!" Barret is referring to all of them as a family, *HIS* family. Barret is leaving his family, and he wants to make sure they stay strong while he's gone.
It is also stated that Barret, “Upon finding out that Edge was under attack during the midst of his travels, he rushed over towards the crisis faced by his family and companions." ~Barret's profile; 10th Anniversary Ultimania
Let us also remember that Tifa considered the former members of AVALANCHE a "family of friends," so why would this time be any different? Tifa further admits they aren’t a “real," or traditional family.
It seems clear that not only did Barret help form and create this family, but that he also considered himself a member of this family because he tells them to, “Put the family’s strength together” when he leaves, and he also rushes back to defend his “family” when he hears they are under attack. In-fact, this entire living situation was originally Barret's idea, and had nothing to do with Cloud and Tifa's hypothetical romantic relationship.
In addition, Marlene invites Cloud to join her family (Marlene's family includes Barret). Cloti’s try to diminish and dismiss this by saying what a child says is meaningless. However, we must remember that SE created Marlene’s dialogue. Therefore, because SE wrote Marlene's dialogue, it *IS* meaningful and significant that Marlene invited Cloud to join her family -- a family that already includes Barret.
Cloud and Tifa seemed perplexed when Marlene referred to them as a family, which is even further evidence that this "family" is not proof of a romantic relationship between Cloud and Tifa.
If Marlene invited Cloud to join her family, and if Barret refers to all of them as his family when he leaves, and if Barret helped form and create this family in Edge, it is undeniable that he is a member of this family.
Furthermore, virtually every single quote that omits Barret and refers to only Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel, refers to them being a family *LIVING* together. Why would any of these quotes include Barret when he’s not living with them?
Here are all the quotes:
The three words of importance: "live"/"living"/"lived"
Barret isn’t *living* with them because he is away on missions. So why would he be included in *ANY* of the quotes that talk about them *living* together? But just because Barret doesn’t *live* with them doesn’t mean he isn’t a-part of the family.
What’s *VERY* ironic is that *THIS* quote Cloti’s use to exclude Barret proves my EXACT point:
"After visiting various locations with Tifa and Barret, Tifa opened the “Seventh Heaven” bar. Before setting off on a journey, Barret left Marlene in Cloud and Tifa’s care, and the three of them began living together." ~FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania Cloud Strife Profile”
It says that the, “three of them [Cloud, Tifa, Marlene]” began *living* together *AFTER* Barret set off on a “journey”. This unequivocally proves that when the words “live”/”living”/”lived” are used to describe Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel, it is *ONLY* excluding Barret because Barret is not *TECHNICALLY* “living” with them.
However, just because those quotes do not refer to Barret living with them doesn’t negate his role as Marlene’s Father, nor does it exclude Barret from the formation and creation of the family in Edge. Barret considers himself a member of the family when he says to unite the family’s strength when he leaves, and he rushes back to defend his family when he hears they are under attack.
Also – why would SE have Marlene be a member of two families? That just doesn’t make sense, especially because SE has Marlene invite Cloud into her family.
Now finally, here is the quote Cloti’s use as their golden piece of evidence:
"When he awakes, there was his friends. There were the children, freed from their fatal illness. Tifa and Marlene, and Denzel asking for Cloud to heal his Geostigma— his family were waiting. Engulfed in celebration, he realizes where he is meant to live. He realizes that he was able to forgive himself." ~SOURCE: 10th AU, ACC Playback
The reason this quote only refers to Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel is because they want Cloud to return to Seventh Heaven because Geostigma has been keeping him away. Barret isn’t living at Seventh Heaven, which is why his name is omitted from that quote in particular.
But even if you don’t accept my explanation, this quote is in contradiction to other quotes that do include Barret in the family. So, at the very least, SE is inconsistent.
Really? I've never seen anything that indicates Barret leaving was to give Cloud and Tifa their own space. Where is this information found?Ryu said:
Nomura's "no clue" remark refers to the time between FFVII and AC, not AC itself. Nomura had no clue about their relationship between FFVII and AC, but felt AC finally showed the truth of their relationship.Ryu said:
Unfortunately for you, Cloud and Tifa do not act like boyfriend/girlfriend in AC. We never see a kiss, a hug, holding hands, or anything that typical couples do. How can anyone say that they're definitely in a romantic relationship when there's nothing to indicate that they are?
In CoT, it's just as easy to imagine that the two of them are living together in separate rooms than to think of them as in a romantic relationship. In fact, there's hints dropped that they're living in separate rooms when Tifa tells Cloud to drink in his room, a room that has a bed in it.
Bottom line: Cloud and Tifa didn't make up the family. Barret and Marlene did. Barret was the first to call them a family in CoT, and then Marlene said she was going to put Cloud in the family, too.
Right. In my opinion, Cloud and Aerith's dynamic was much healthier, natural, and positive than Cloud and Tifa's dynamic. Even Tifa is jealous of Cloud and Aerith's fun, flirty dynamic. In addition, SE says Cloud and Aerith developed a "special bond".Ryu said:
I don't deny that Cloud and Aerith would have their own problems. But in my opinion, their dynamic would have worked out far better than Cloud and Tifa's. SE has given numerous hints and clues that heavily suggest this, especially considering SE has made it a point to show Tifa is jealous of Cloud and Aerith's "special bond".
But if Cloud visiting Aerith's Church did not have romantic undertones, why does SE make it a point to tell us (in a passage outlining Tifa's jealousy over Cloud and Aerith's relationship, nonetheless) that Tifa isn't just mad about Cloud merely dragging around the past, but that the reason might perhaps be related to Aerith in particular?Ryu said:
Also -- common sense tells us Cloud feels guilt because he let a good friend and a romantic companion die. Cloud's love for both Zack and Aerith is the root cause of his guilt.
Cloud returns to Seventh Heaven, yes. But who is to say he doesn't return to living in his room that has a bed in it?Ryu said:
Cloud and Tifa are running a business together, which was an idea Barret came up with. There is no proof Cloud and Tifa are living together because of their assumed romantic relationship. In-fact, if we look at how the new Seventh Heaven was formed and created, it is clear that romance had nothing to do with it -- it was all Barret's idea.
Both the living situation, and the children, have nothing to do with Cloud and Tifa's assumed romantic relationship. Cloud and Tifa are living in a place that was re-built with the help of Barret, and they are running a business that was originally Barret's idea. The children they are raising are Barret's daughter, and a child Cloud believes was brought to him by Aerith. Barret considers himself a member of this family, and Marlene invites Cloud to join her family -- a family that already includes Barret. None of this proves Cloud and Tifa are in a romantic relationship. Period.
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BB I honestly think you're reading too much into this family thing. When you think of a family, most people envision a mum, dad, and two children (girl and boy), isn't that essentially what makes up Cloud, Tifa, Marlene and Denzel? Usually Mum and dad love each other very much and are in a relationship so....
If you can be pernickity about this, then so can I
How come Barret doesn't say 'our' why does he say 'the' bit of an odd way to refer to your family isn't it? I can honestly say when I mention them I never refer to my family as 'the' my only thought is he doesn't see himself as one of them.
Since when does romance have anything to do with running a business? Now you really are starting to be silly about this, I don't get your point because no one ever said that Seventh Heaven was reformed with romance in mind.
Also don't they technically then run two separate businesses if Tifa runs a bar and then Cloud ends up doing more than just picking up supplies for the bar, he starts technically running his own delivery company.
Evidence of said passage please.
And who is to say that when he got back he didn't tell the kids to go to their rooms and had a shagathon session with Tifa? What's your point?
Where's Mei someone get her QUICK, she'll be oh so happy you think Clack is Canon now too
You know what's so great about you quoting that? That I can flip it on it's head and argue that Cloud, Tifa and Marlene only began living together after Barret left, as a family, one might say meaning that Barret was never seen as living with them or part of their little family in the first place.
One more thing, Notice how he left Marlene in BOTH Cloud and Tifa's Care, not just one but both, funny that isn't it entrusting two people who live together to raise your child while you're away somewhere, couldn't have anything to do with them also being in a relationship could it?
I could keep going on but I think I'm gong to let some other people take a couple of shots at it.
BB I honestly think you're reading too much into this family thing. When you think of a family, most people envision a mum, dad, and two children (girl and boy), isn't that essentially what makes up Cloud, Tifa, Marlene and Denzel? Usually Mum and dad love each other very much and are in a relationship so....
If you can be pernickity about this, then so can I
How come Barret doesn't say 'our' why does he say 'the' bit of an odd way to refer to your family isn't it? I can honestly say when I mention them I never refer to my family as 'the' my only thought is he doesn't see himself as one of them.
Since when does romance have anything to do with running a business? Now you really are starting to be silly about this, I don't get your point because no one ever said that Seventh Heaven was reformed with romance in mind.
Also don't they technically then run two separate businesses if Tifa runs a bar and then Cloud ends up doing more than just picking up supplies for the bar, he starts technically running his own delivery company.
Evidence of said passage please.
And who is to say that when he got back he didn't tell the kids to go to their rooms and had a shagathon session with Tifa? What's your point?
Where's Mei someone get her QUICK, she'll be oh so happy you think Clack is Canon now too
You know what's so great about you quoting that? That I can flip it on it's head and argue that Cloud, Tifa and Marlene only began living together after Barret left, as a family, one might say meaning that Barret was never seen as living with them or part of their little family in the first place.
One more thing, Notice how he left Marlene in BOTH Cloud and Tifa's Care, not just one but both, funny that isn't it entrusting two people who live together to raise your child while you're away somewhere, couldn't have anything to do with them also being in a relationship could it?
I could keep going on but I think I'm gong to let some other people take a couple of shots at it.
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He's referring to the quote from Tifa's 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile about her complicated feelings toward Aerith.
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He doesn't ''happen'' to be travelling for a living. He left. And then he found work to keep him away. And he did not keep in constant contact. We don't see him call home every day in Case of Barret, Marlene needed to inform him about Cloud and Tifa's issues long after they started and in Advent Children the message indicates he does not know of Cloud's agsence from Seventh Heaven that's been going on for at least a few weeks by then. In a world where absolutely everyone carries a cellphone, that can't be called regular contact, let alone constant.
Either Barret is right that this IS a family or Tifa's momentary insecurities are right and it isn't. Which do you think are more likely??
No. The BAR was Barret's idea. They had lready decided too stay together and find a home together before then. (And that was Cloud's idea)
I gotta assume you misinterpreted what she was saying cause, quotes you provided mere paragraphs ago suggest he was already part of the family.
You're right. Tifa already considered AVALANCHE a family. So what IS different this time. Cloud is the new element, and now Tifa is all of the sudden perplexed by the implications of what Marlene is saying.
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^Most relevant question/comment yet.
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This kind of turn of events is expected.
Never really bought the seemingly amicable atmosphere from the past pages in the first place.
Never really bought the seemingly amicable atmosphere from the past pages in the first place.
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It's still fairly amicable. And Ryu did make a post, so it's not surprising that Blank would feel inclined to respond.
Really, like I said before, it's going to take more than one person electing not to drag these small details out any further.
Though I really do wonder why everything always ends up back at Barret.
Really, like I said before, it's going to take more than one person electing not to drag these small details out any further.
Though I really do wonder why everything always ends up back at Barret.
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It's because the person really wants to be with is Barret.
BB, I'll get back to your multicolored response later. Right now, I have better things to do. Batman things to do.
BB, I'll get back to your multicolored response later. Right now, I have better things to do. Batman things to do.
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Here is why it matters.Why are we doing the Barret/family thing again? can someone PLEASE explain to me why it even matters?
Ryu said:
Some Cloti's, like Ryu, use Cloud and Tifa's living situation, in addition to Marlene and Denzel, as evidence of a romantic relationship between Cloud and Tifa. Ryu and others act as though Cloud and Tifa got married, bought a house in the suburbs with a white picket fence, and had two children.
Unfortunately, the living situation and the formation of this family had absolutely nothing to do with Cloud and Tifa's assumed romantic relationship. Barret's role in the formation and creation of this family proves it was not created because of Cloud and Tifa's assumed romantic relationship. Therefore, it cannot be used as evidence of a romantic relationship existing between them.
Sure, on the surface it sounds nice -- Cloud and Tifa live together and are raising children. However, when one digs deeper, one realizes it was all Barret's idea, Cloud has a room with a place to sleep, one child is Barret's daughter, and the other is believed to have been brought to Cloud by Aerith. None of this has anything, what-so-ever, to do with Cloud and Tifa's assumed romantic relationship.
It Cloud and Tifa were to have said something like, "I love you, honey. We should move in together and start a family because we're so in love." -- I'd agree that this family and living situation is evidence of a romantic relationship existing between them.
But to me, I see Cloud and Tifa living together because they decided to run a business together (a business that was Barret's idea). Cloud sleeps in his room, and Tifa sleeps in hers while they are running this business. Barret happens to be away, so they are raising Marlene for him. However, before Barret left, he helped form and create this family. Plus, Barret will always be Marlene's Father. Barret's role proves none of this was done because of Cloud and Tifa's assumed romantic relationship, which is why it cannot be used as evidence that Cloud and Tifa are in a romantic relationship. Until we see Cloud and Tifa sleeping together, or we see a typical behavior of what couples do (kissing, hugging, etc.) it is foolish to claim it is certain they are in a romantic relationship, IMO.
It can just as easily be assumed Cloud and Tifa are running a business together and sleep in separate rooms while they do so.
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Building off of Tactics, Dissidia, and FFIX, SE has another reference to Cloud x Aerith in Lightning Returns. When wearing Cloud's outfit, you can hear guards ask if you are searching for the Promised Land (an obvious reference to Cloud's line at the end of FFVII)
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Really, the Barret stuff just needs to stop. His presence or lack thereof doesn't prove anything either way. Cloud and Tifa (and Barret) could have gone anywhere in the world once Sephiroth was gone. You can't say "they're living together because they decided to run a business together." They were already living together. The business idea came later. They chose to remain together (temporarily in Barret's case) in the first place for reasons other than "they decided to run a business together."
Barret's presence doesn't preclude anyone else in the situation being romantically involved any more than my presence precluded romance when my brother, his gf at the time and myself all left where we were living before and moved in together. And that was kind of my idea too, because my brother's lease was about to be up and I suggested we get an apartment together. Then we found out his gf was pregnant the week before we were moving (we had already paid the deposit for our new place) and I said she should move in with us. She was living with her sister at the time.
So, yeah. Barret is irrelevant.
Barret's presence doesn't preclude anyone else in the situation being romantically involved any more than my presence precluded romance when my brother, his gf at the time and myself all left where we were living before and moved in together. And that was kind of my idea too, because my brother's lease was about to be up and I suggested we get an apartment together. Then we found out his gf was pregnant the week before we were moving (we had already paid the deposit for our new place) and I said she should move in with us. She was living with her sister at the time.
So, yeah. Barret is irrelevant.
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Typical behaviour of what couples do... you mean like living together and raising kids?
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you're right. S/E has also said that she is a very perceptive child. so are you suggesting that she sees cloud and tifa struggling by trying to find someway to be together and then said "Hey, just come on into this family. That way it wont be all that awkward."
its doubtable, but you are putting too much faith in a 6 year old. ok, so she asked for them to be into the family. how is this supposed to diminish cloud and tifa's relationship? i have never, ever understood why this has been pointed out. really, this is an honest question. why is this so important?
attention! anyone who has denied barret being marlene's father please say so.
they have never denied this. at all. just one paragraph ago, you just said this:
barret isnt living with them, right. so cloud becoming marlene's second father when barret is gone, and staying her SECOND FATHER - not her ONLY father - is too hard to come to for a conclusion? so we are just going to screw that S/E said cloud is the father to SOME peoples?
fortunately for them, we see cloud smiling. lots of times, just for her, just to her. and we all know that cloud is not the Smile King when it comes to sharing them with different people. same with blushing after he reveals some of his feelings about her that he deems are close to him.
barret didnt tell or indicate for cloud to say he wanted tifa by his side (the most cleche way to say "i love you" in japanese culture ever; really i can show you around 10 animes that say this as a tip of the iceberg).
getting special things to surprise her, smiling, blushing; its seems that even if he didnt like her at all before, he is really moving towards liking/loving her now.
and here's a question for you.
why would that question even be asked if there was no previous indication of cloud and tifa romance? "previous indication" meaning the cursed HW scene, or even the LS scene.
let me get this right...
barret creates this family, and therefore its impossible for cloud and tifa to be together in this family? so if they are a couple barret will kick them out if his family-line? or if they have a family that includes barret, this is proof they dont want to be together?
one last thing:
no, a child cloud and tifa believe was brought to them by aerith.
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