Man, this asploded.
Well the fake Nibelhiem incident was just that. It was fake. It was not real, and it didn't happen that way, and Cloud's memories were confused with Zack's because of Jenova. In the real Nibelhiem flashback, Cloud says nothing about mentioning his pain, he just cries out to Sephiroth " Mum, Tifa, my hometown, give them back ! "
Cloud could of said anything in the fake Nibelhiem incident and it wouldn't matter, because it was fake, it didn't happen that like that.
But he remembered it like that.
I'm sorry but what... ?
Tifa didn't know the true Cloud at all. They didn't even hang out together as Children, and she never really noticed Cloud until he mentioned that he was going to leave Nibelhiem to become the next Sephiroth. That meeting by the well was like... 10 mins ? Maybe 5 mins ?
That's not enough time to know somebody.
But six months after that and three months later on?
Plus, during most of the game Tifa thought that Cloud was really a true Ex- Solider.
Tifa " Well after all, you were in Solider ".
Even if she did- and she has no reason to doubt THAT part of the story- SO DOES AERITH. That puts them on even footing.
Aerith knew that Cloud was wasn't really being himself, and she knew that the CD 1 Cloud was a fraud and he wasn't being true to himself.
AND SO DID TIFA. Tifa asks Cloud to work for AVALANCHE to keep an eye on him because he's not acting like himself. BEFORE THE GAME.
Cloud says something in the Corel prison that proves that Cloud would be upset if Barret died. Something like " I'll have nightmares if you ever died " or something like that xD
I'm not disregarding it. I'm just saying that it's not that supported. In AC/C, Tifa calls Cloud out on him giving up and waiting to die, but we say that he did not want or wait around to die. So Tifa didn't really understand what Cloud wanted, despite her 'knowing him the best' or 'understanding him the most'. Granted, Tifa knew Cloud was acting distant because of his guilt, and suspected that it was connected to Aerith, she didn't understand that it was Cloud's own personal battle, at first, and tried to get him to let her join in. Just my observation.
Okay, bring some context back into this. Cloud had just expressed the idea that he was unfit to help anyone- he couldn't do it. So she asks if he's just going to give up and wait to die. She's not saying that's how he is, she's trying to kick him in the metaphorical pants.
And there was one thing Cloud HAD given up on. Not life, but himself. And her question got him to keep fighting. She said the exact thing he needed to hear. So yes, SHE DOES KNOW HIM PARTICULARLY WELL.
I did say that she sensed it before Tifa found out about it. Granted she didn't know the real Cloud while she was alive, she had sensed that he wasn't acting like himself at times. And just because she died doesn't mean that she can't get to find the real Cloud and love him.
You are incorrect. Tifa found out about it long before Aerith sensed it. Tifa, AT THE LATEST, knows Cloud is messed up from his telling of Nibelheim. Aerith does not know til later.
Maybe Tifa was with Cloud, but she only provided one memory. Cloud was the one who remembered everything else. Technically, Tifa watched Cloud's memories unravel in the Lifestream event. The three of them, Cloud, Aerith and Tifa, watched as memories were shown in Cloud's POV, which Tifa couldn't have had a clue about since it was seen through Cloud's eyes.
Yes, Aerith wished she could have been the one to help Cloud. Sadly, she was dead by that time. She badly wanted to help, so she aided Tifa in taking a walk through Cloud's mind.
No. She aided Tifa in taking Tifa TO Cloud's mind. Aerith herself COULD NOT COMMUNICATE WITH CLOUD. Because Cloud was closed to her. He opened only for Tifa. And Tifa provided more than a memory. She provided encouragement and unwavering surety in the idea that Cloud really WAS himself, even when CLOUD doubted it.
Tifa "...that's right."
"We lived next to each other."
"But I really didn't know you that well."
They didn't know each other at all, Tifa only started to notice him when she heard that he wanted to become the next Sephiroth.
Please do not twist quotes or quote mine. Tifa said THAT WELL. That is not 'AT ALL'
Even though Cloud was holding feelings for Tifa from some time ago, Tifa's interest in Cloud did not start until the time when the promise was exchanged. It might have been her loneliness due to her surrounding friends leaving one after another, but more than that, it seems largely in part to him making the promise to become her hero. ~FFVII Ultimania Omega, pg. 25
Yes, she became interested in him when he did something really interested and romantic. That does NOT mean he was invisible to her beforehand. Remember, she thought he was cute back then.
Tifa "I guess not..." "You were in SOLDIER."
She did.
Egads, nothing against your point, but your posts themselves are a spaghetti code nightmare. Please, PLEASE pick a font and a color and stick with it.
She knew that something was wrong with him, but she believed that Cloud was a Solider and that they were close childhood friends. And they weren't.
They WERE Childhood friends.
She didn't think that disturbed in the head. Aerith knew that Cloud wasn't being himself. A bit of a difference.
Which puts her on the same footing as Tifa. And Tifa didn't need magic powers. She KNEW Cloud.
Tifa has no clue about Cloud's real identity during the lifestream event. She thinks that the meeting by the well could be a fake memory. If she knew Cloud really good, she would know that the meeting they had by the well really happened.
You are SO wrong. SO SO wrong.
Tifa "Cloud, what about your other memories?"
(She shakes her head.)
Tifa "No, not memories."
"A memory is something that has to be consciously recalled, right?"
"That's why sometimes it can be mistaken and a different thing......"
(She looks down, into the endless green space.)
Tifa "But it's different from a memory locked deep within your heart......"
"That's why it must be a fake. If he could recall up that memory......"
"That's it! What about some memory that has to do with me?"
(She turns to the Cloud of the well.)
Tifa "I say something and you don't remember it......"
"But you say something, and I remember it, too... Then we'll know that's our memory......"
She had no clue whether the meeting by the water tower occurred or not.
No. She KNOWS the water tower meeting fucking happened. What she's referring to is whether or not the memory could have been implanted in Cloud.
She later notes that it definitely is a genuine memory of Cloud's and not manufactured.
For added fun, read the first sentence with an even emphasis on all words.
Chill out bro. It's only a FF7 debate. xD
Regardless of the severity of the debate, quote mining is still an incredibly infuriating practice. Please desist.
Is it possible childhood friends is being used kind of loosely. I mean Tifa says they didn't know each other that well so to me that makes it seem like that term is being used rather loosely.
But they are STILL childhood friends and they are still noted as such dozens of times. Tifa noting them being that close is more a lament of them not doing more together than them not knowing each other.
it's just that... when did the Childhood Friends phase start do you think? Was it after the promise or before?
Before. At least as early as the mt nibel climb.
I know I'm just kind of curious, because I mean there was Tifa's fall from Mt Nibel... and I was under the impression that Cloud was too humiliated to talk to her again until the Promise scene, so I was just wondering if you felt there was some interaction between then or not?
His father forbid him from going near Tifa. Doesn't mean he didn't. Besides, she at least took notice of him during that time.
Well, Cloud in the well scene says "Come this spring...", so from the night of the promise to the day he left, there has to be at least some months in between, and the Ultimania DOES say that Tifa noticed Cloud when he promised her, so... they interacted a lot more than before during this time? Between the promise night and his leaving, I mean.
Around six, I think. Nibelheim's a mountain town, Tifa's wearing light clothes, and complaining it's starting to get cold. Cloud is also wearing shorts. That suggests late summer, early fall.
Woah, woah time out. Tifa DID know the true Cloud. That's why she was the one to help him through his subconcious. She knows him better than any other person, as stated officially. At least, any other woman. True, they weren't as close as children but she still cared about him and they still crushed on one another. They still made a promise, and Cloud still came back to Nibelheim at what, age 15? By then Tifa was STILL waiting for him to return. She could also recall the things that happened in his past, because they happened to her too. Like when she fell off the bridge, and when her Mother died. She even came to realize more about Cloud she didn't before and apologized for it. Cloud's subconcious sent the message to Tifa that Cloud would be so happy to hear that she cared for him in the past. While they have this past, they grow stronger in their present. The promise is something that connects both of them very deeply. You can say it's strong armed or whatever, but it's important to Cloud. He is dedicated to keeping that promise he made with her as children. One of the reasons he joined Shinra was FOR Tifa. He has nothing like that with Aerith. No past, and a barely developing present. The future never got to unravel for them because Aerith passed on. Not saying love can't transcend death, but the point is Aerith never got that chance with Cloud. And I don't think she ever would have if she had lived, because no one can quite get Cloud the way Tifa can.
Welp, that's all I wanted to say.
Simply QFTing here.
Because they never really knew each other. Tifa hanged out with her friends and Cloud being the town misfit was always alone, and he was never allowed to enter into the group. They were next door neighbors, so they didn't know each other.
1. He was allowed into the group when he tried to get in. Tifa allowed him in, even.
2. You get to know your next door neighbors. Especially in a town the size of Nibelheim.
Because Tifa didn't notice him till Cloud mentioned that he wanted to be like Sephiroth. Before then, Cloud would look hopelessly as Tifa hanged out with her mates, not able to hang out with them or Tifa.
No, he'd pick fights with the other boys in the group. And yet Tifa still was willing to talk with and meet him at the town's most popular date spot.
Don't knowing each other well, and basically not all is the same in this case. Because really, they didn't know each other, expect a) they lived next door and b) Cloud had a dim crush on Tifa.
Again, they are not the same, and they would have known each other through proximity if nothing else.
That's not much of a friendship no matter what SE says.
Your opinion, especially so ill supported, doesn't trump SE.
Did you read the quote at all ?
It said that Tifa didn't give Cloud a single ounce of interest until Cloud spoke out about wanting to become a hero. So yes, it does say that they were never friends at that moment.
No, it says her interest in him began at that point. One can be friends with someone and not be interested in them.
No, they weren't childhood friends. Because Cloud was always excluded from hanging out from Tifa's group, and she didn't really notice Cloud until he said something about joining Solider.
Cloud excluded himself. And yes, Tifa began taking notice of Cloud when he did something worth noting apart from try and beat up her other friends.
And lol.
Then how come the pieces of material says that Tifa didn't care about Cloud until he wanted to become a hero ?
In those days, Tifa didn't take much notice to Cloud. The reason why she said to him "To be saved by a Hero" was only to satisfy her childish princess desire. ~Cloud's profile, FFVII Ultimania Omega
Even though Cloud was holding feelings for Tifa from some time ago, Tifa's interest in Cloud did not start until the time when the promised was exchanged. It might have been her loneliness due to her surrounding friends leaving one after another, but more than that, it seems largely in part to him making the promise to become her hero. ~Cloud's profile, FFVII Ultimania Omega
Tifa took notice and interest in Cloud when he made himself notable. Why is this some great crime or evidence that they could not have been friends?
Tifa was around during the Nibelhiem incident, she should really know that Cloud was just a army grunt, and they only had one meeting together which was shorter than 5 mins. But she didn't. She felt like something was wrong, but she still assumed that Cloud really was a Solider. And you said that Tifa knew the real Cloud but she doesn't. Cloud could wear Chocobo Jockey clothing and say that he was a Chocobo Jockey, if you truly know somebody you should know their true identity.
Cloud hid his identity during the Nibelheim incident. So as far as Tifa is aware, Cloud spent seven years away, and did actually become a SOLDIER. That means she's not aware of what he did during those 7 years. That does NOT mean she doesn't know Cloud. But if you want to go down that road...
If Tifa knew Cloud, she would of known that Cloud was just a army grunt and be wtf are you wearing a Solider uniform for ?
... it means Aerith doesn't know Cloud either. Even at the end, she didn't know Cloud wasn't a SOLDIER either. She just knew he was presenting a false image.
Aerith wasn't around when Cloud fainted during the Mako Reactor, she wasn't around when Cloud faints during the Honey Bee Inn, or Shrina HQ. The only time Cloud looses it in front of her, was AFTER the date that they had together.
She had no idea that Cloud was acting mentally unbalanced, because she was never around when Cloud had a fit.
Not all of CD 1 Cloud is Zack.
No, but his sword his Zack's, his mannerisms are Zack's, and many other aspects that Aerith notices are Zack's. She doesn't need to see a wigout to see that he's walking and gesturing like her Ex and holding HIS GIANT ASS SWORD.
And Tifa knew Cloud was off long before those incidents as well.
After developing his personality by using Zack's memory as a base, Cloud still maintained the part of coolness even though Zack had cheerful characteristics. The part of Cloud's coolness that keeps him away from the surroundings and the part of his asserting “no interest” all have nothing to do with the influence of Jenova cells. They belong to the real Cloud’s personality. ~page 180, FFVII Ultimania Omega
Which doesn't mean there's not enough Zack for Aerith to pick up on.
The bit marked in red is not true. Did you read the Tifa quote that I posted before ? The one that you thought that she didn't say, and you thought that I had no knowledge of FF VII whatsoever, even though she DID say it ?
Tifa thought that Cloud was REALLY a Ex- Solider.
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No, she's making CLOUD remember HIS own memories, and not just rely on her own words. Great job taking her words and encouragement out of context.
(The screen fades back in and we are back in Cloud's subconscious. The Nibelheim well is no longer visible.)
Tifa "Cloud, what about your other memories?"
(She shakes her head.)
Tifa "No, not memories."
"A memory is something that has to be consciously recalled, right?"
"That's why sometimes it can be mistaken and a different thing......"
(She looks down, into the endless green space.)
Tifa "But it's different from a memory locked deep within your heart......"
"That's why it must be a fake. If he could recall up that memory......"
No. Read the quote again.
Read the entire quote.
Cloud and Tifa are in the Lifestream and they're by the water tower. She says that this memory must be a fake.
NO. NO SHE DOES NOT.
ACTUALLY IN THE WATER TOWER SCREEN
Tifa :"Did you imagine this sky? No, you remembered it."
(Young Cloud shakes his head.)
Tifa "That night the stars were gorgeous. It was just Cloud and I. We talked at the well..."
"That's why I continued to believe that you were the real Cloud."
"I still believe you're the Cloud from Nibelheim..."
"But you don't believe in yourself..."
"These memories aren't enough."
YOUR quote comes when they are in the common area, and her point isn't that the memory or Cloud is a fake, but that Cloud needs to find a memory SHE CAN CONFIRM is real so CLOUD will believe it's real.
Tiff- Cloud didn't care about his promise to her. He was willing to walk out on her and Avalanche because he didn't give a damn at that stage. And yes, SE does say that the coldness that Cloud had, was the true Cloud. So truly, Cloud didn't give a damn about the promise he made to Tifa. And he joined Solider because he wanted Tifa to notice him.
Because Tifa didn't notice him at all, until Cloud said that he wanted to become a hero.
When Tifa mentions the promise, the only thing Cloud cared about was money, and what made him stay in Avalanche was not Tifa or the promise, but more money.[/QUOTE]
You are so wrong here it hurts. Yes, at the one point, he acts tough, but ON EVERY OTHER OCCASION, the promise is mentioned as important to him, including later on in the game, in AC/DOC, in the ultimanias, everywhere. IIRC, Even THERE it's said he actually keeps working for AVALANCHE only because of the promise in one of the sourcebooks.
...And what is a "dim crush?" Way to go at using a mistranslation. It's "hidden crush."
No, it's not, it's "Slight feelings." The word does not at any point mean hidden.
My dictionary says you are wrong. One of the readings of that hiragana is the word for 'hard to perceive' which is also used in the verb 'to insinuate' so 'hidden' would be an entirely valid way to render it in English.
Besides, 'slight' feelings don't fit the greater context of ALL THE OTHER evidence. 'Hidden' does.
Arguably, so would stupid. Boy has stupid feelings for Tifa.
The creators says that they are childhood friends. Yes, they lived next door to each other, but they didn't hang out. Which is what I'm trying to point out here.
So they were childhood friends.
What I'm trying to say here, is that they only knew each other without some kind of a distance for a very short period of time.
So, you're arguing they were on the same playing field as Cloud and Aerith?
Calm down Smooth Criminal. I feel like If a casual member acted that way and not a mod, you'll be issuing out a warning. I'm not changing anything. I said that Tifa and Cloud only knew each other as next neighbors, so really they didn't know each other closely.
No. You've said she didn't KNOW HIM AT ALL. That IS misrepresenting the material.
...And what is a "dim crush?" Way to go at using a mistranslation. It's "hidden crush."
I'm not using a mistranslation.
Expert: Michael DePaula
Subject: Dim Feelings vs Secret Feelings
Question: QUESTION: Heya, I'm looking at this here:
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And I've seen a few people arguing about the "‚Ù‚Ì‚©‚É‘z‚¢‚ðŠñ‚¹‚Ä‚¢‚½‘º‚Ì*—ƒeƒBƒtƒ@‚É" part. Mainly whether or not it's saying Cloud had secret or hidden feelings for Tifa, or whether his feelings were there but just kind of weak. I'm just wondering how you feel it should be translated.
ANSWER: Alison,
I don't know any of the context surrounding these characters, but I would translate ‚Ù‚Ì‚©‚É‘z‚¢‚ðŠñ‚¹‚Ä‚¢‚½‘º‚Ì*—ƒeƒBƒtƒ@‚É as "...to Tifa, for whom he had had slight feelings..."
Slight, dim, faint...I would rework the wording if I had to translate to make it flow off the tongue, but yes, the part you quoted indicates a slight affection for in the past for this character Tifa, not secret.
Egads that's nothing but nonsense on this end. You wanna try again and actually get the japanese, maybe link to the original?
Ah no. What I meant was I don't know why SE says that Cloud and Tifa were childhood friends, when really they were more people who had a distant relationship at best. What I meant was, they are not close childhood friends, though the creator quotes make it seem that they were.
Because the fact that they've known each other their entire lives is an important part of the story, just like them sharing their mutual feelings and other things the creators repeat endlessly.
Whut ?
It basically says that Tifa had no interest in Cloud until she heard that he was planning to join Solider. Do you read what I post at all ? Really ?
Yes. She did not begin having a romantic interest in Cloud until he made himself notable.
I'm not making a strawman of a issue xD Shouldn't it be straw-woman in my case ? Anyways xD
No. It's a strawman argument. You are attacking an issue other than that which is presented in order to claim victory over that which was actually presented.
But they weren't friends, Tifa- for the 100 th time in a row. Took no interest in Cloud, until he mentioned his ambition to her. If they became friends at any time, it would be during the water tower scene, which only lasts for a short period of time. It doesn't matter if they were ''friends '' because their friendship, if any, was extremely short lived.
Cloud and Tifa- EVEN IF we limit their friendship to only the time to after the water tower, four times the amount of time to be friends in that Cloud Aerith EVER got. TWO WEEKS. I want to remind everyone of this. FF7's start to Aerith's demise is TWO WEEKS.
What what what ? Do you only read what you want to read ?
It basically says, Tifa didn't take much notice to Cloud, and she was only interested in Cloud being her hero to satisfy her childish princess desire.
And then he agreed to it and made an actually impression and she became romantically interested in him. That doesn't mean they couldn't have been casual friends beforehand.
Tifa recognized Cloud when he stopped her from entering the Mako reactor. She jumps, like she did when she recognized when Cloud was in drag.
EVEN IF that dialogue happens during the massacre and not the recollection, Tifa is very likely not to have remembered it due to all the blunt for trauma she had just taken which put her into a Coma.
Do you think that Cloud is a mind- reader or something ? He doesn't know what Aerith is thinking. Aerith asks Cloud for the date because she wanted to spend time with him and express her feelings to Cloud, without the mission to revenge Sephiroth and Shrina getting in the way. She wasn't ''trolling Cloud '' she wanted to express to Cloud how she felt.
But why would she need to NEED to meet the real Cloud if she already knew him? THAT'S Mako's point. She doesn't know him. That's why she wants to meet him. She knows he's not him, not who he is.
Did you read the quote I posted ? It said that not everything about Cloud is Zack. You know that people can be completely different but be alike from somebody else right ?
Irrelevant. Aerith NOTICED those similarities with Zack. Hell, because of those and her feelings for Zack, she fell for Cloud initially.
Are you really with this debate at all ? You said that Aerith knew Cloud because he was completely like Zack. And he wasn't. So stop making up BS.
Mako did not say completely. He said THERE WERE OBVIOUS SIGNS CLOUD WAS NOT HIMSELF, including notable similarities to her dead boyfriend, including his iconic sword.
Yes she wanted to help Cloud remember on his own. But she still thinks that the well memory is fake. If you actually read to what I'm typing.
No. She doesn't. She says THE EXACT OPPOSITE while in the scene. What she's commenting on is that Cloud will doubt that those memories are real. So she wants him to remember something and have her corroborate, instead of her remembering and him copying it. She doesn't doubt the memory, she knows Cloud doubts.
People change, in BC Cloud is what 15 ? In the OG Cloud is 21 so that's about a six years difference. In the future he no longer cares about the promise. Judging by what he says to Barret and Tifa.
And then three weeks later he's back to affirming how much the promise means to him. Seriously, you've got Headscrew Cloud saying it doesn't matter and EVERYTHING ELSE saying it's really important to him.
That they only knew each other for a short period of time. And Tifa doesn't know Cloud that well, because they only really spoke to each other for a short amount of time.
Y'know, The irony here is that this line of argument really REALLY comes back to bite you in the butt big time. I won't mention how just yet, though.
Well it says in the quote that Tifa thought that they were friends. If Tifa knew Cloud that well, then how come she thought that they were close friends ?
Tifa knew Cloud well enough. Rosy Memories can take care of the rest.
What I'm saying here or trying to get across that Tifa couldn't of known Tifa that well, friends or not.
1. Couldn't have. It's Couldn't HAVE.
2. She knew him well enough to know he was not himself long before the game began.
I was also trying to get across that they don't seem like friends, or childhood friends. Because Cloud was never in her main group, and Tifa didn't notice him till he was about to leave Nibelhiem in the spring...
She did notice him, but he was always picking fights with her other friends. And even then she thought he was cute.
How do you see that as romantic ? Tifa wants a hero, she wants to be saved by a hero. That's not romantic. SE states it as a childhood fantasy xD She just wants to be saved by a hero, a knight in shining armour. Romantic is a passionate kiss by the fire.
I can't speak for women, but being a woman's knight in shining armor IS a romantic fantasy. And I'm pretty sure most women will agree having one is a romantic fantasy for them too.
Wanting to be saved by superman one day is not romantic xD
Tell Lois Lane and Lana Lang.
And Jimmy Olsen. 
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I like how you're twisting Tifa's childhood fantasy into a romantic interest. No. It says that Tifa didn't notice Cloud at ALL till she heard Cloud says that he wanted to be a 1st class Solider. Tifa wanted Cloud to be a hero. Tifa ignored Cloud, even though he lived next door. When Cloud got bullied, did Tifa do anything ? No.
CLOUD WAS THE FUCKER PICKING FIGHTS. Cloud himself says this. He was not bullied, He was the BULLY.
If she noticed Cloud, she would of done something to stop the bullying, but instead she didn't, and she only noticed Cloud during the water tower. Don't twist quotes.
She said, missing the irony entirely.
I didn't say that Tifa was strange or acted weird. D: Oh dear, If you READ what the quotes says, it says that Tifa didn't notice Cloud till she had that childhood fantasy of Cloud saving her one day.
Take notice of. Again, colloquially very different from not noticing someone. And how is 'Cloud saving her one day' not a romantic fantasy?
I can't have backup for this, because I've searched everywhere for FF VII pictures and can't find anything. xD
Youtube? The actual game?
Lol no, because I'm sure that Tifa recognized the real Cloud during the Nibelhiem incident. xD And yes, before says it. I have played the game. :/
She would have had to be one to recognize him with his mask on all the time.
Cloud in Drag and Cloud when you can't see his face are two very different things.
Tifa clearly says this " memory is fake " How hard is that to understand ? And stop trying to twist things.
Seriously, read the conversation.
Watch the scene immediately prior. And a memory consciously recalled- as in, someone you remember in response to prodding- can be fudged. That's why she wants him to find a deeper memory, one that won't be altered in any way for her to corroborate.
If you read the quote I posted it says that Cloud's coldness during CD 1 is apart of Cloud's true identity.
But not caring about that promise ISN'T.
I didn't say anything about Cloud being a dick. I said that he was being cold, and that during the start of the OG at that stage, that he cared more about money than his promise to Tifa, and that people change over time.
And we see once Cloud's shell begins cracking, he admits that promise is still really fucking important to him.
You realize that there is two parts of the Highwind affection bit right ? Maybe if that part was canon, then okay.... but there's two parts to it depending on your affection with Tifa.
And one of them, the high version, is canon. Just as there are several versions of the Sister Ray confrontation with Hojo, but only the scenes with Vincent in them can be canon.
No you just THINK that what I'm saying is accurate. Just because I can't proof it doesn't mean that it's not accurate Que.
I don't want to watch the Crisis Core because what I'm talking about is the true Nibelhiem incident from the OG and that.... " that game " <_______<
/ Off topic.
What you're talking about is easily explained as Cloud and Tifa commenting on events after the fact.
Not really?
I mean romantic interest/childhood crush sure but I don't really count that as love.
I think they had to go through some shit together before those feelings matured.
Dude, the feelings pesisted for seven years apart. That's more than just a crush. You can't call it a romance until they do anything, but love is closer to the mark than crush.
Tifa: It's true that we weren't THAT close, but...
Tifa: You were so small then....and cute
Note the capitalised "THAT". Pretty much what Mako said.
So...according to you, FOR WHAT PURPOSE?
Why not simply say "Cloud and Tifa were neighbors" or "Cloud and Tifa knew each other from childhood"? Done. Nope. CHILDHOOD FRIENDS ad infinitum. Why?
As a child, he continues on up the mountain when all other boys interested in Tifa back off, hates himself for not being able to save Tifa, joins freaking SOLDIER so that she may notice him, keeps to a childish promise as if it's his life's purpose until he's into his 20s, hides his face behind a mask because he can't bear her knowing he can't fulfill her promise, singles her out repeatedly, his heart calls out to her...
I don't know if I would label it a childish crush. Tifa is very important to him. She's not simply some girl he likes who may or may not like him back. And although sure, we see their relationship progress and they definitely grow closer only during the course of the game, I can't really say that Cloud doesn't love her until the Lifestream sequence. Or that she only loves him after she figures out his past. Tifa does abandon everything to stand by him before the reveal anyway. She drops her revenge, separates herself from her other friends to nurse him back to health BEFORE that.
This is not the behavior of people crushing on each other or having just romantic interest.
Hell, it might be creepy if it wasn't so endearing.
I'll do the work for you. Here's proof that everyone else is right and you are wrong on this matter.
Tifa admitting she does not believe Cloud was there at ALL and that she wasn't telling the whole truth before about knowing this. Yes, he was there, but in her memories, she never saw him.
Skip to the end, a little before 9min mark.
And make sure you watch the bit where Tifa says Cloud actually remembered the sky and stars.
