Exactly because it takes hours to get there. If moving the sword was by pure convenience, then why not move it to the furtherst point instead of the closer?
Err. Wouldn't it be more convenient if they move it to the closest place rathen than spend hours going to the farthest?
But of course, it seems the Forgotten City (place where the team went to see Aerith, which wasn't the church) and the place where Zack died (place that Cloud visited even during the movie, which can't be said about the chuch either, for all we know Cloud could have left some stuff in the church for some days and not be there ever again until the movie) aren't important enough because they don't represent Clerith, I guess?
It's Cloud and Aerith who had memories in the Church, the place where they first met. The team don't really have anything important that connects them to Aerith that's in the Church, well, maybe the flowers. But no one really goes there from the team. Well, how could they when they're all busy with their own lives.
And did I say otherwise about Zack's grave? That's the only grave Cloud is able to visit.
Uhm, it was already stated in Tifa's profile that Cloud lived in the Church after he left.
[AC] Upon knowing that Cloud had been residing in Aerith’s church after leaving the place they had been living in together, her expression becomes complex.
So it's either you haven't read this part or you just want to deny that Cloud chose to live there after living the place where he and Tifa lived together.
I thought Cloud went to the church for penance and because frankly, it's not like he had another place to live. I guess I missed the official statement that said Cloud went to the church to see Aerith, since that place was supposed to be the Forgotten City :/
He could always rent or something. He doesn't want to go to the Forgotten City. It reminds him too much of how Aerith was taken away from him. [MotP
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Cloud never went to the church to be close to Aerith or whatever. He went there to get away from everyone. Yes the church represents her but he was hiding there from her included.
That is so clearly represented in the movie so that when he is forced to go to the Forgotten City that is when he faces Aerith and his guilt.
If he was searching for penance, why would he hide from Aerith? And in AC/C, Cloud even tries to look at her face. How do you see that as hiding from Aerith? If anything, he was searching for her. He hides from his family and friends, but searches for Aerith.
Faces Aerith? I don't think so...
It was more like faced his own grief over losing her and guilt over 'failing to save her'.
When Aerith makes her presence known to Cloud, she addressed his feelings. "You came, even though you're about to break. That's a good sign." It's like she was saying that it's good that Cloud is finally facing what he had to face.
And about the game, I don't have any game consoles with me now. And I can't afford the game itself. It's in dollars. LOL. And still, even if I get a copy, I can't play it due to time constraints.
Going off of memory, isn't that the part where Cloud says he wants to be forgiven and Aerith says "by who" and Cloud looks surprised?
Uhm, his expression didn't change. Watch it again, please? After Aerith says that, after a few seconds, he turns to try and look at her.
What exactly is romantic about that? Or says "longing" to you? It's not like he said "I miss you" or "I just wanted to see you again" or anything like that. Nor was he responding to a similar statement by Aertih.
He tries to get a look on Aerith's face. To see her. He wants to see Aerith. I used "longing" with the same context as of "wanting" and "desiring", though yeah, it's stronger.
Which is a call back to the promise under a star they made.
A promise that he can't really keep.
So you felt nothing at all about Cloud's reaction to seeing Tifa like that? Nor him somehow falling at an impossible angle to be face to face with her?
Nope. Nada. What I noticed about that is Cloud cursing because he had lost all the materia. He does look around first so yeah, that's what I thought at the time. LOL. :p
And when they were unconscious, I notices how it was so bright. That showed me that Aerith was there, at least her presence. And the wolf.
Nor Cloud *gasp* trampling Aerith's precious flowers to get to Tifa?
It wasn't just Cloud. The villains did too. Marlene, well maybe, and Tifa I guess?
Their children. And chewed him out in a very uncomfortable moment for the Turks I might add.
Marlene is Barret's child. Tifa's taking care of her for Barret who's away. Oh! She's more like Tifa and Barret's child then. LOL.
Well here is your problem. You can't seem to notice Tifa when she is standing right there the entire scene.
Because to me, nothing stands out between her and Cloud. Not everyone shares your views, Vendel. Do keep that in mind.
So now you also felt that Denzel was the "younger brother"? You certainly have built up a rather elaborate alternate reality vision there. Quite the feat considering you stated not to have any info before hand.
I said the scene looked like that. That's how I saw that scene. And how can that be a feat?
At this point I am calling into question this being your first impression of the movie. Somehow without bias you managed not to see anything C/T or "family" related in AC? Yet you got C/A out of like 10 seconds of screen time?
What is romantic in all those C/T encounters? Seriously. The only 'soft and tender' time would be when Cloud woke up after the blast.
And about that family. I didn't see that in AC because Cloud wasn't anywhere near them. The only time he was in their "home" was when he was brought there after fainting. The family picture? Cloud looked like he was so unsure e belonged in the picture.
And that 10 seconds you keep belittling, yes that is romantic. They're both alone on a flower field with a background music, them in close proximity to each other, and with Cloud talking so sincerely. That's what I can call romantic.
Call BS on it as long as you want. It's what happened. Accept it that not everyone has the same opinion as you. Don't be a child and try to impose your view.
And what's the connection of what you were saying to the scene in question? What, you suddenly want to call BS on my interpretation of the movie that I didn't know was a sequel to a game, and without any clue about the love triangle at all?
Quiet? Do you know any loud photos? And again somehow the very fact that he does have a family photo (with Denzel pretty much mimicking Cloud) and that he keeps it ON HIS DESK slipped your notice.
Yeah, my photos with my friends while we were partying at a friends debut celebration. You could clearly see how loud we were with just one look. But with that family picture, did Cloud look like he wanted to be in it? No. That's what I saw. And about Denzel, I just thought he was like any other boy in a family picture: serious. My brother does that all the time. On who's desk? I don't even know which room is whose. I don't have any idea on what happened before the movie. Keep that in your mind.
Conversation with Tifa. Conversation with Sephy-poo.
With Tifa? When exactly? And with Sephiroth. The one moment he remembers his family? While he remembered Aerith 3 times?
[Quote[You somehow noticed Cloud and Aerith while not noticing Tifa and his family?[/Quote]
Why?
1. The flowerfield scene stood out.
2. They didn't look like a family all together.
3. There was too much tension in C/T encounters.
From the person who said Zack doesn't "technically" leave with Aerith?
Where are you getting your arguments? I'm so confused with you.
Hello arbitrary standards.
Hello denial.
So again as an unbiased first time watcher you saw that end scene and said "wow he left .05 seconds before her thus I know this isn't romantic"?
Yes, that's basically it. They looked more like friends. Zack didn't even look at Aerith, nor did she. They just left.
You can say you are not threatened all you want. But you do as good of a job ignoring Zack as you do Tifa.
It's because they don't stand out with regards to Aerith and Cloud.
So flowers on Zack's grave (and remember we have been told by C/A shippers that flowers=Aerith) and Zack's sword in Aerith's church is NOT putting Z/A together? In Cloud's eyes if nothing else?
You got me here. That's in ACC. Not in AC. It's AC which I first watched. So anything in connection with ACC is out of this debate.
[Quote[Please. Aerith never "moved on". She tried. She died. She is with Zack again (in a manner of speaking).[/Quote]
Again, nothing romantic stood out with Zack and Aerith. And I didn't know Zack and Aerith's history so the idea of moving on wasn't even in my mind.
And why do you keep on ignoring Aerith saying that she loves Cloud now, and not Zack?
And we were talking about AC, weren't we?
Cloud had no problem visiting them separately before. What has changed where he puts these two symbolically together? It couldn't possibly be that he last saw them together could it?
Again, I got caught up here. We were talking about AC, not ACC.
I don't think it's overly important in a relationship to go through a door to express your romantic love towards a person. They are both dead, and they're returning to the Lifestream (at least for a few moments in Aerith's case) - so can't they walk through a door without being romantic love interests? To be honest, Aerith has already said multiple times that she doesn't love Zacks anymore, so I think it shouldn't be the matter if going through a door together has to imply a romantic relationship or not.
Hi!
Well, we were talking about first impressions on AC. I just emphasized that it didn't look romantic to me because they didn't leave together. It was my standard as a 13/14 year old kid.
Maybe there was one. Cloud definitively didn't know about Aerith, but at the time of his death, Zacks said while entering the Lifestream that this sky is peaceful and that Cloud - should he ever meet Aerith - should greet her for him. In fact, even Zacks is foreshadowing that Cloud and Aerith will meet - something that was called a "destined" encounter.
I thought Cloud didn't hear that since Zack said it after Cloud left and while he was going in the Lifestream. And looking at the scene while it had happened, Cloud kept walking, and gave no indication of hearing what Zack was saying.
I agree with the "destined encounter". And it was sweet that only Cloud and Aerith were shown there.
Ryu, I'm gonna get back to you when I get more time in my hands. I'm so sorry. These posts were easier to reply to.
but I will if I have to 
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