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We also know that it's theoretically possible for Cloud to still be able to see and communicate with Aerith after AC for several reasons:
1) Since Sephiroth exists, Aerith must exist. There was no doubt about that one. ~Nojima, pg. 9, Reunion Files
Are you saying that Sephiroth can no longer exist? A dead man who's been resurrected at least three times to fight battles with Cloud? A dead man who said in CoL: Black that he will always exist in Cloud's consciousness?
Still warping the meaning of that quote, are you? Even though it's been pointed out to you a million times that Nojima wasn't discussing the metaphysics of FFVII there, and instead was talking about what was necessary from a writing perspective?
Not that it would matter even if he were discussing the metaphysics there since Seph was apparently put down for good in AC/C.
Anastar said:3) We saw Aerith in Calling after she and Zack went back to the Lifestream, so we know Aerith's not limited to the Lifestream.
That image that was removed from the final version of the film, you mean? And which -- when it was there -- was only ever identified as an illusion? For God's sake, it was described verbatim as "nothing with any presence in reality." =|
How can you turn to that for support for your claim? I'm embarassed for you.
Anastar said:4) The presence of Aerith was suggested in Reminiscence during Cloud's phone call with Tifa. That was the only phone call where you could hear Cloud's voice only, which suggests that someone was listening in to his phone call. The most likely person to be listening in is Aerith.
You've been saying this for years but have yet to give a reason why only hearing Cloud's side of the conversation is an indication that someone else was with him. The reason could have been anything from an artistic decision to focus only on what Cloud was saying, to Tifa's actor being unavailable, to them deciding it just wasn't necessary to record any voice acting for Tifa there.
Seriously, substantiate this claim with somehing more than the claim itself.
The way the phone call was depicted is not enough on its own to indicate what you say it does. I can easily point to a scene in "Wicker Park" where two characters are in the same room while one of them is having a conversation on the phone, with us only able to hear his side of it. Then, when the other character gets on the phone with the same person (the other guy still in the room), we're now able to hear both sides of the convo.
Anastar said:It is my interpretation that Cloud can still see Aerith because she lives on inside of him.
So why can Kadaj and those kids in the church see her? And why can Tifa and Marlene sense her? And why can everyone with a phone hear her?
Anastar said:Looks like we're on equal footing.
In the first place, it's never said that Tifa is worried about whether Cloud loves her. That's merely your assumption. Maybe she's just curious.
In the second place, your objection is negated by what you said here: "Shouldn't she know he doesn't if the LA happened?" Yes, but she should also know that he does if the HA happened.
She should know his feelings regardless of which version happened, and therefore should have no reason to ask regardless of which version happened. The contradiction is as strong for your version as for my version.
What makes more sense? For two people to confirm they love each other, then -- after one of them becomes a tad distant, and the other becomes concerned -- one of them asks if the other's feelings have changed, or two people to confirm they have no interest in one another, then -- after one of them becomes a tad distant -- for one to ask if the other's feelings have changed?
Come on.
Anastar said:No, you conveniently made it say what you wanted it to say. What it really says is that Cloud carries his own undying feelings for Aerith even today - and the phraseology suggests that part of Cloud's feeling might be love, since other characters feel love for Aerith.
I see you're still warping that quote too by leaving out the rest of it:
"I think that for all those players who once traveled with her as comrades, each carries their own feelings and love for Aerith. In this story, Cloud also carries his own undying feeling for Aerith, even now.... Its relation to the church scene is.... Yeah. I'll leave this to everyone's imagination. (laughs)"
Nomura said that feeling is related to "the church scene." This interview was published in Famitsu PS2 on October 24, 2003 -- only a month after AC's existence was revealed to the public at 2003's Tokyo Game Show. At that point, there was only one known church scene -- the one in the TGS preview, which was ultimately shown to be the scene of Cloud finding Tifa beaten up in the church.
And what appears in that scene? The guilt wolf.
Nomura was talking about guilt.
Anastar said:Do you mean how does Tifa see Marlene fitting into the family of friends? I think it's obvious that she would see Marlene as Barret's daughter. Since Barret's her friend and part of the family, his daughter should be part of the family, too.
Barret's gone at that point. If Tifa sees Cloud and Marlene as a "family of friends" only, then what are Marlene's sins?
We keep asking you and you continue refusing to answer. How does Marlene fit the description of someone who bears the same wounds and sins as Tifa?
It's pretty much surrendering the point that you continue avoiding answering this even while you constantly take refuge behind the claim you make about this quote.
Anastar said:If there's a bed in "Cloud's room", then it's most likely his bedroom. We never see a room that's called "Cloud and Tifa's room".
The office is never called "Cloud's room" either -- only "Cloud's office" and "the room Cloud used as an office." Seems like it would have been easier to call it "Cloud's room" or "Cloud's bedroom" if that's what it was supposed to be, don't it?
Anastar said:When Rude and Reno bring Cloud and Tifa back to the Seventh Heaven, they take them to Denzel and Marlene's room. Why not take them to their bedroom? Probably because they don't have one.
Probably because (and simply watching the first few minutes of AC/C confirms this to be true) the kids' room is the first bedroom with space enough to put two people down that one comes to while going up the stairs in the house.
Anastar said:Sesc posted it here a week ago: http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7360&page=61
Sesc found the source for the quote and it comes from here: http://ff7-material.jugem.jp/?eid=2086
The interview took place in November, 2005, so it was after Advent Children's release date is September, 2005.
Hold the phone. The FlareGamer article that first brought that Dorigama interview to our attention was released October 10, 2005.
Something doesn't add up.
Anastar said:So far, the only bed we've seen is the bed in Cloud's room and the beds in Denzel and Marlene's room. If you think Cloud and Tifa are sleeping with one another, then your imagination's overactive since there's absolutely nothing to suggest it.
By that reasoning, we've no reason to believe Tifa has a room or bed of her own since we've not seen one.
Oh, by the way: Cloud's office. That's the word you're looking for.