Tifa expresses her romantic disinterest, and finds out that, hey, Cloud isn't into her either. Phew. That was close. Now they can live together and it won't be awkward at all.
Except for when Tifa creeps into Cloud's room at night and asks him if he loves her, waiting for the answer that is never coming until dawn.
Tifa needs to make up her fucking mind. First she loves him, then not, then lapses back into her creepy stalking. Woman's a psycho, no wonder Cloud moves out. Poor guy probably only feels safe in a church.
It's like living with the entity from "Paranormal Activity."
That reminds me Tennyo. I just wanted to let you know that I have no romantic feelings for you at all.
I, on the other hand, Tenny, would split you like you were firewood.
Clarky Cat said:
Seriously though, this whole thing doesn't work. I mean. Their home was purpose built. Its not even like they're shacking up together to save a few gil. If either one of them had wanted their own place, they could have built one just next door or something. Put in an extra wall... I don't know.
This reminds me. I got the On the Way to a Smile book in the mail today.
It was, as far as I know, the first time Case of Barret had been released in Japanese. Previously, it was only available in English, packaged in the Limited Edition North American release of Advent Children.
Second line of Barret's story in the English version says "After helping Tifa and Cloud build their home ...." Second line of Barret's story in the Japanese version says the same thing: "バレットはティファとクラウドの家造りを手伝った後 ...."
Ownership of the home is attributed to Tifa and Cloud ("ティファとクラウドの家"), but not Barret. Which, aside from its obvious implications, really begs the question: why the fuck is the first task performed by these two young people -- in the prime of their freedom, sexual and otherwise -- who just survived the apocalypse but have no romantic interest in one another ... to build a house and move in together?
We are talking a syntax error of Olympus Mons proportions here.
In addition to the fact that his post bit says his age I do believe he also has a kid with is wife, right?
Without getting into too much personal detail, the female I may have reproduced with a couple years back isn't the woman I'm now married to, no.
Which actually makes me something of an expert on feelings of romantic disinterest, if you ask me. And, hey, since there's a deviation element here ("may have"), this is right up Anastar's alley.
Maybe she'll come debate this with me. Did I? Didn't I? Who knows (I don't), it's up to interpretation!
Ariadne said:
One other point that needs making about this ridiculous "mutual disinterest" and "you can lower Tifa's affection, and then Cloud's is low to match it" thing
Sometimes I think you guys simply won't
admit that you understand simply to aggravate me.
There is nothing mysterious whatsoever about a mutual lack of sexual and/or romantic interest. I would hope that you'd realize by now that sometimes adults can realize that there are certain relationships which would be a mistake to get involved in, even if they are interested. I remember a great episode of
Seinfeld where a manifestation of his brain was arguing with another part of his anatomy over whether or not to get involved with some girl.
Perhaps you're too young to realize this, but sometimes there's more involved in relationships than just sexual interest.
You can be romantically and/or sexually attracted to someone, but know at the same time that it would be a mistake to get involved in a relationship with them. That can qualify as "disinterest". For example, it said this in Tifa's profile in the 10th AU:
In addition, Cloud had also gone away to the church that Aerith had been in. The thing which she is unable to hide in her irritation towards Cloud is the fact that he isn’t merely dragging the past around, but because that reason might perhaps be related to Aerith. ~Tifa's character profile, 10th Anniversary Ultimania
That would show reason for Tifa to be disinterested in a relationship with Cloud right there. If Tifa knows that Cloud is still in love with Aerith, she'd have reason not to want a romantic relationship with him. Cloud wouldn't want anything but friendship with Tifa if he's still in love with Aerith. Therefore, they'd have mutual romantic disinterest in each other and the LA scene happens.
It's totally possible within the framework of what happens in the Compilation. It doesn't agree with your
interpretation, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen.
Ariadne said:
Anastar insists that she won't accept an optional deviation or anything from an Ultimania story summary as canon unless it's referenced later in a game, movie or novella. Yet Tifa romantically loves Cloud after FFVII, and on into the time of AC/C.
We know that not just because we've been told so by an Ultimania (though we have been), but also because we see it in Case of Tifa (a novella) and AC/C (a movie).
Again, it's possible to romantically love someone while not being interested in having a romantic relationship with someone, especially if you know they're in love with someone else.
The section in Tifa's 10th AU profile that I just quoted suggests that Tifa's well aware that Cloud's still in love with Aerith. There's also suggestions of the same thing in CoT, for example when Tifa tells Cloud to go drink in his room (this is true regardless of whether she actually says
YOUR room or
ANOTHER room), and in the scene in AC/ACC where she says,
"That only works for real families."
You know what I don't see in that nebulous blob of text there, Anastar? A response to what I actually said.
Your professed position:
Tifa has no romantic interest in Cloud if her affection rating has been lowered by magical game mechanics; since Cloud's feelings are supposed to match Tifa's and be mutual, if she has no interest in Cloud, then Cloud has no romantic interest in her either; you'll accept that optional scenes can have canon outcomes if a canon outcome has been demonstrated in a chronologically subsequent game, movie or novella; you don't, however, accept that there is a canon outcome for the Highwind scene
What I pointed out with regard to your professed position:
Tifa is demonstrated in both a subsequent movie and novella to have romantic feelings for Cloud. Unless she abandoned such feelings for one night so that she could protect your fanship, Cloud had romantic feelings for her on that night as well.
By the way, can you please pick a consistent position on what the hell you think happened that night? From one post to the next, you either say Cloud rejected Tifa, that they had mutual disinterest in one another romantically, or (as in this post I'm responding to now, where we have two drastically different suggestions) version A of suggestion 3) that they both had an interest but decided it would be wiser not to act on it, and version B of suggestion 3) Tifa had an interest in Cloud, but he didn't have one in her, so she didn't want to get with him because he didn't want to get with her -- and this is a seriously stupid case of linguistic gymnastics that still fails to land the dismount.
Mutual disinterest arising from hesitance (when they both think they're about to fucking die the next day anyway)? Mutual disinterest arising from one party being uninterested, while the other (interested) party decides she doesn't want to be interested anymore because the first party isn't (again, right before they're going to probably die anyway)? I can't believe I'm even having to process such cognitive sewage.
By the way, as others have pointed out, I am married. Like, legally. With the record of it on the books in Raleigh, North Carolina as of September. Be my guest to check. You know my real name.
Or you could just go to my Facebook. We've been too busy/lazy to put all of our wedding photos up (I really need to finish doing it), but our photographer tagged us in some that she put up.
Also, for the record:
-This isn't my first serious relationship
-My wife isn't the first or only chick I've had had sex with, so I don't think having sex with someone means you have to think about getting together. Sex is sex. It means as little or as much as you want it to. If the desire to do it or fact of having done it with someone is making you think about getting with that person, you need to take a huge step back and think
-I've had plenty of experience separating sexual attraction to someone from potential complications of acting on the attraction or considering a relationship with them. Not that acting on a sexual attraction and considering a relationship even go hand in hand, let me reiterate
-For that matter, I've had plenty of experience separating sexual attraction to someone from repulsion at their personality
-One of my closest friends and I have had the very kind of talk you spoke of in your last post -- but it was far from mutual feelings of disinterest. It was more like feelings of "I think we could be great together, and I'd love to say let's just go for it, but there are also a few factors worth considering that could lead to -- at best -- frustration in our relationship, and -- at worst -- a disaster and loss of a friend that I consider family"
-For crying out loud, you're talking about a dude who's still 16 mentally and has only that many years of actual life experience passing up boning a bangin' chick he's had a hardon for since he was like 7 -- all in favor of a girl with rigor mortis at the bottom of a lake. Come on. Seriously. Come on. Even if he had fallen in love with the dead one a couple weeks earlier, it would be absurd to think his past feelings (which were still very fresh only a few weeks earlier by his reckoning of time; remember, he lost several years while the world moved on outside the Shinra Manor) wouldn't resurface enough to make him hit that on the eve of worldwide conflagration
Hold up Kemosabe. "Still in love with" is exactly what you're setting out to establish. Using it as a basis of an argument is putting the cart before the horse and a prime case of circular argumentation.
Which is why we can't communicate with you, Anastar. You examine every detail like this: "If Cloud loves Aerith romantically, then ... ."
When you should be examining it like this: "What does this say about who Cloud loves romantically? Does it even say anything at all about who he loves romantically?"
