The most annoying fandom assumptions that make no sense and won't die.

[The Twilight Mexican]

Set up a poll. I'd vote for it.

 

[Loxetta]

Not trying to jump down anyone's throat or anything, but I'd just like to add that I don't get why it matters. If the Japanese audience gets the drift of the way Reno's character talks, and the English audience gets the drift of the way Reno's character talks, then didn't the translators do just fine handling 'zotto'?

Having English!Reno say 'yo' as often as Japanese!Reno says 'zotto' would make him come off as an irritating cockhole, not just a guy who hates formalities. Besides, character isn't just in the way they talk and what they say, and Reno's personality comes across adequately in both versions.

 

[Dashell]

Not trying to jump down anyone's throat or anything, but I'd just like to add that I don't get why it matters. If the Japanese audience gets the drift of the way Reno's character talks, and the English audience gets the drift of the way Reno's character talks, then didn't the translators do just fine handling 'zotto'?

QFT and I think that's really the bottom line. and I'm sorry I started this whole mess

 

[Glaurung]

One assumption that always annoyed me (and gets me flamed really bad) is when I say Cloud is NOT AN EMO/DEPRESSING charactter in the original game. In AC he was feeling guilty, yes but the whole film was about the after effects of the events in the game. In the original game, there are some textual evidence that he was actually a rather encouraging, and I would venture to say, uplifting character, but his portrayal in AC seems to have gotten the fanbase to think he is some whiny character, not to mention mis-using the term emo, and thus catagorizing FFVII as a depressing game overall. The themes may be more dark and serious, but I find it annoying when people say FFVII is depressing because Cloud is a depressing character.

Obviously, those who say that:

Haven't played the game.
Have played, but didn't understand a word of it.
Played it, understood it, but are unable to understand that, when a friend dies on you (the way Zack and Aerith did), you usually feel sad, and sometimes you think it's your fault.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Not trying to jump down anyone's throat or anything, but I'd just like to add that I don't get why it matters. If the Japanese audience gets the drift of the way Reno's character talks, and the English audience gets the drift of the way Reno's character talks, then didn't the translators do just fine handling 'zotto'?

I can agree with that. I haven't really seen many comments on that specific matter from people who only saw the English version, though -- so, honestly, I don't know if they did get the gist of the way he talks.

You feel that they did, though?

Having English!Reno say 'yo' as often as Japanese!Reno says 'zotto' would make him come off as an irritating cockhole, not just a guy who hates formalities.

That I definitely agree with. I said the same thing in an earlier post.

Besides, character isn't just in the way they talk and what they say, and Reno's personality comes across adequately in both versions.

Fair enough.

QFT and I think that's really the bottom line. and I'm sorry I started this whole mess

Well, I enjoyed talking about it.

 

[Smaddy]

Obviously, those who say that:

Haven't played the game.
Have played, but didn't understand a word of it.
Played it, understood it, but are unable to understand that, when a friend dies on you (the way Zack and Aerith did), you usually feel sad, and sometimes you think it's your fault.

Anyone who says FF7 is completely emo/depressing has never played it. Everyone in FF7 jokes around -- even Vincent, the cliche emo/depressing guy.

And don't even get me started on the people who go on and on about Aeris' death, as though it's the first and only time a character has died in an RPG ever. There aren't many RPGs where a character doesn't die. There's plenty of RPGs where the hero dies -- either during the course of the game, or after defeating the final boss. (For spoilers reasons I won't go into specifics...)

Certainly it's one of the more dramatic character deaths, and possibly the first one depicted in a fairly realistic manner (realistic as compared to little pixel sprites), but aside from that... no.

 

[ForceStealer]

Well it was kinda the first mainstream RPG to kill a main playable character permanently and with no real replacement (a la Galuf and Krile). It also happen at a rather unexpected point in the game.

People still certainly give it more credit than it deserved, but it still was significant.

 

[Dashell]

I'm sure it's been said but I wanna repeat it

That Sephiroth could come back at any time. He's going to do this without Jenova cells how?

 

[Tennyo]

Maybe he'll find some leftovers?

 

[Ryushikaze]

Maybe he'll find some leftovers?

I can see it now...

"Oh hey, I left some mom in the fridge!"

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

At this point, who, other than Lucrecia, is even known to have them? Presumably, the contents of the box in AC/ACC comprised the largest quantity of it still around.

 

[Ryushikaze]

At this point, who, other than Lucrecia, is even known to have them? Presumably, the contents of the box in AC/ACC comprised the largest quantity of it still around.

Okay, okay,
"Oh hey, I left some mom in mom!" then.

 

[Glaurung]

Anyone who says FF7 is completely emo/depressing has never played it. Everyone in FF7 jokes around -- even Vincent, the cliche emo/depressing guy.

Vincent has always been one of my favorite characters. Sure he's a silent man, but having those demons inside it's not precisely something to be happy about. An his humor is quite morbid, something I love.

Well it was kinda the first mainstream RPG to kill a main playable character permanently and with no real replacement (a la Galuf and Krile). It also happen at a rather unexpected point in the game.

People still certainly give it more credit than it deserved, but it still was significant.

Aerith's death was surely surprising; I was left with a "You have to be kidding me" face when it happened. More credit than deserved? I don't know. It was sad and caught you off guard (as real death usually does), and left Cloud with that guilty complex, that's why I think it's an important point in the story.

At this point, who, other than Lucrecia, is even known to have them? Presumably, the contents of the box in AC/ACC comprised the largest quantity of it still around.

That's one thing that has been nagging at me, that maybe Jenova wasn't as powerful as she should have been because there were missing parts of her.

Next installment: Lucrecia will be Neo Jenova and will dress like Ultimecia

 

[ForceStealer]

Next installment: Lucrecia will be Neo Jenova and will dress like Ultimecia

...scary, I could see them trying that...

 

[Glaurung]

...scary, I could see them trying that...

At least the "Anti-Lucrecia" squadron would be happy -____-;

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

At least the "Anti-Lucrecia" squadron would be happy -____-;

Not really. If that woman shows up again, I'm going to be quite unhappy.

In any case, I can see them doing that too. It's probably their only route to plausibly bringing back Sephiroth again if they choose to do that.

 

[ForceStealer]

And even though this will be twice (perhaps thrice) she's screwed him over, Vincent still won't let Cloud kill the bitch.

 

[Tennyo]

I can see it now...

"Oh hey, I left some mom in the fridge!"

Precisely.

Also I want Lucrecia to come back just so that someone will crack her out of that crystal, dammit!

Then she can die.

 

[Smaddy]

Vincent has always been one of my favorite characters. Sure he's a silent man, but having those demons inside it's not precisely something to be happy about. An his humor is quite morbid, something I love.

Likewise.

Aerith's death was surely surprising; I was left with a "You have to be kidding me" face when it happened. More credit than deserved? I don't know. It was sad and caught you off guard (as real death usually does), and left Cloud with that guilty complex, that's why I think it's an important point in the story.

I wasn't trying to say it wasn't any of these things - I'm just against the people who act like Aeris is the first, only, saddest ever, etc death ever in the entire span of RPGs. She wasn't the first to die by no means, and saddest can be very subjective.

Hasn't anyone ever played FFVI or Chrono Trigger? I won't name names, but those deaths were very surprising and fairly sad as well.

That's one thing that has been nagging at me, that maybe Jenova wasn't as powerful as she should have been because there were missing parts of her.

She was pretty powerful still though, to be dead/frozen for 2000 years and still have the power that she had throughout FF7, and even carrying over to AC a little bit.

Next installment: Lucrecia will be Neo Jenova and will dress like Ultimecia

Spoiler: *facepalm*

 

[Vossler]

Not really. If that woman shows up again, I'm going to be quite unhappy.

.

That and she does have some explaining to do.

 

[Smaddy]

If Lucrecia was to return -- huge if, and I don't necessarily want to see her back -- I wish they'd completely forget what they did with her character in DOC. If she was the same completely nuts, "ohh so sorry" person... well, maybe she'd make a good villain, because I'd want to go make her shut up?

 

[Vossler]

If Lucrecia was to return -- huge if, and I don't necessarily want to see her back -- I wish they'd completely forget what they did with her character in DOC. If she was the same completely nuts, "ohh so sorry" person... well, maybe she'd make a good villain, because I'd want to go make her shut up?

No shit....thb I absolutely agree.

 

[Glaurung]

I wasn't trying to say it wasn't any of these things - I'm just against the people who act like Aeris is the first, only, saddest ever, etc death ever in the entire span of RPGs. She wasn't the first to die by no means, and saddest can be very subjective.

Hasn't anyone ever played FFVI or Chrono Trigger? I won't name names, but those deaths were very surprising and fairly sad as well.

Ah, my bad. I thought you were saying that Cloud should have shrugged it off like it was nothing (somep people say that). But in the other hand, there's the other extreme that you describe. I think they are too spoiled with some comics, where heores die and then resurrect just because the script writer is that awesome (and because they have to sell more)

 

[Max Payne]

At this point I hope SE brings Sephiroth, Jenovo, Lucrecia, Jesus and Buddha back for a new game just to relish in the sweet fanboy tears.

 

[Glaurung]

At this point I hope SE brings Sephiroth, Jenovo, Lucrecia, Jesus and Buddha back for a new game just to relish in the sweet fanboy tears.

I seriously hope they don't do any more installments. I think they have stretched the story long enough. More would mean boredom.

The only thing they should do is a remake of the original FFVII ("Keep wishing," I often tell to myself)