The most annoying fandom assumptions that make no sense and won't die.

Max Payne

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Prove it.


The cutscenes showing her talking casually and excitably with Vincent's father are proof enough. Or is this one of those things were I have to provide grand evidence for shit that's painfully obvious?
Real life doesn't have to be credible. Truth is stranger than fiction, and all that. But fiction has to be credible, otherwise it becomes as stupid and boring as reality TV.
Art imitates life, and there will always be similarities. Fiction has no stipulations on what it must do to be "credible" past the arbitrary ones people impose on them for no other reason than self preference.

People with jobs as scientists have had crises of her own, and not every cop,guard, government agent is going to be the best there is at his job.
 

Dashell

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That the Advent Children ending with Cloud on his bike with Aerith watching is a secret ending... seriously I've seen people say this.. WHAT?
 
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Loxetta

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That the Advent Children ending with Cloud on his bike with Aerith watching is a secret ending... seriously I've seen people say this.. WHAT?

Lol... Aren't secret endings supposed to be rewards for doing a challenge or something?

"Finish watching the movie and get rewarded with a SEEKRET SCENE! :awesome:"
 

Neutron Ronnie

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I don't like Lucrecia at all, but the game implies heavily that her strange and unreasonable actions are a direct result of her guilt over Dr Valentine's death; nothing in the Compilation suggests that she was always unstable. And yes, there were others who were not Vincent, but Lucrecia and all were holed up in the Shinra Mansion, where, I imagine, the dating pool is quite limited.

Squex loves pretty boys. I'm fairly certain they're familiar with the usual fangirling "OMG how can gorgeouswonderfulhandsomeohsosexy Sephy-sama come from a horrible man like Hojo!" They could have depicted Hojo as handsome at least when he was young, but they chose not to. One reason, I suspect, is to emphasize that there was something very wrong with Lucrecia when she abandoned a man she loved to be with someone as utterly unlovable as Hojo.

As for Vincent, I despise the moody git, but being shy about your feelings around a person you're attracted to doesn't negatively impact your ability to kill someone else. Before Crisis seems to indicate that the Turks didn't care how much emotion a potential candidate carried around as long as he or she could kick ass. So Vincent doesn't necessarily make for a shabby Turk.

As for the ending of Advent Children, it's special because one requires a particular mindset and a pair of pink-tinted glasses to fully appreciate its significance.
 

Glaurung

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No, I think you're right. But in some of the weaker parts of the Compilation (and I think the story of Lucrecia in DoC is one of these) I find I accept certain things as true because the game says it's so, rather than believing they are true because I've been persuaded by the quality of the writing, the plotting, and the characterisation. If you see what I mean. So I just think the whole thing would be more interesting and more believable if Lucrecia was actually attracted to Hojo (who, unfairly, never grows younger, just as the Turks never age). I mean, there were plenty of other guys around who weren't Vincent...



The weak points come probably because neither the creators nor Square thought that it would be such a successful game. I mean, many things look like they were improvised and, like you say, you believe it because they say so.

But again, I find it credible that she didn't like Hojo. If you watch that man closely, he might be batshit crazy, but he knows how to manipulate people. Just remember CC, when Genesis was pointing with his sword. Hojonever flexed a muscle, when most scientists would have pissed their pants (Hollander comes to mind). Hojo talked his way out of that one, knowing perfectly which Genesis' buttons he had to press. If he did that with a pissed off SOLDIER, what makes you think that he didn't the same thing with a woman full of guitly over the death of someone?

But that's just my theory, of course.




Squex loves pretty boys. I'm fairly certain they're familiar with the usual fangirling "OMG how can gorgeouswonderfulhandsomeohsosexy Sephy-sama come from a horrible man like Hojo!" They could have depicted Hojo as handsome at least when he was young, but they chose not to. One reason, I suspect, is to emphasize that there was something very wrong with Lucrecia when she abandoned a man she loved to be with someone as utterly unlovable as Hojo.

I think you hit the nail with that one, because there are a lot of people that associate being drop-dead gorgeous with being the good guy *facepalm*

Speaking of that, another assumption that got to my nerves when I read it:

That Sephiroth is the good guy of CC.

I remember a gal who told be she was crying her eyes out when Cloud threw him to the Mako reactor, and that Cloud was an awful person for doing that to poor Sephiroth.

:worffacepalm:
 

The Twilight Mexican

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Even if Vincent had been a "shabby Turk," so to speak, that particular aspect of DC would still be credible in that they sent him to babysit scientists in a backwater town for years instead of sending him to do other things.

Besides, DC has so many glaring issues, that's not the one to be particularly baffled over.
 

Loxetta

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Speaking of that, another assumption that got to my nerves when I read it:

That Sephiroth is the good guy of CC.

I remember a gal who told be she was crying her eyes out when Cloud threw him to the Mako reactor, and that Cloud was an awful person for doing that to poor Sephiroth.

That's kind of understandable though. :monster: Most of CC does depict Sephiroth as one of the good guys, and while it does the same with Cloud, up until Nibelhiem Sephiroth was the most prominent ally of Zack's (sort of debatable in favor of Angeal or Aerith, I know, but it's a really close match) and his 'fall' is pretty rapid and jarring, especially if you're a newb to the Compilation.

It's also a game from Zack's POV, and the player is meant to feel hurt over the loss of one of his closest friends.

...Carry on :awesome:
 

Glaurung

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That's kind of understandable though. :monster: Most of CC does depict Sephiroth as one of the good guys, and while it does the same with Cloud, up until Nibelhiem Sephiroth was the most prominent ally of Zack's (sort of debatable in favor of Angeal or Aerith, I know, but it's a really close match) and his 'fall' is pretty rapid and jarring, especially if you're a newb to the Compilation.

It's also a game from Zack's POV, and the player is meant to feel hurt over the loss of one of his closest friends.

...Carry on :awesome:

It made my eyes bleed because said girl claimed to be a FFVII nerd -___-;

Ok, I'll carry on and forget it :awesome:



Even if Vincent had been a "shabby Turk," so to speak, that particular aspect of DC would still be credible in that they sent him to babysit scientists in a backwater town for years instead of sending him to do other things.

I think the main problem of Vincent was that he was too chivalrous. Pretty much every man I know in real life would have put at least a good scene demanding an explanation for her behavior, but not Vincent. He accepted it without question, even if that meant that he was going to be misserable, and that was his main error.
 

Neutron Ronnie

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I remember a gal who told be she was crying her eyes out when Cloud threw him to the Mako reactor, and that Cloud was an awful person for doing that to poor Sephiroth.

So what? Of course it's an awful thing to throw a bishie into a mako pit for the small and forgivable crimes of killing your mother, slicing up your crush, and torching your village. :monster:

Did you know that some people actually think that Vincent and Yuffie are an item? They really believe it's true, like some people argue for Cloti or Clerith. *facepalm* I think they've been reading too much fan-fic.
 

Glaurung

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I'm a huge Sephiroth fan. He was my favorite even when I knew he was the bad boy and there had been bad thinggs on his life, but that didn't prevent me to go fetch the Knights of the Round, upgrade it and pound his pretty ass back into the Lifestream :awesome:

About the fanficts, people seems to have a hard time telling what's canon from what's fandom. I love to read VincentxYuffie fanficts, but I know it's canon that
Yuffie has already a sweetheart back in Wutai
. And I've done strange pairings myself, like GenesisxAerith, SephirothxAerith, or creating a girfriend for Angeal, but I still know that they are crazy and admit that :monster:
 

looneymoon

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Hojonever flexed a muscle, when most scientists would have pissed their pants

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I am not sure if this has been mentioned but can anyone tell me where this whole "FF7 was a rushed project" myth comes from? Because I hear a lot that the creators had to "rush" the game to make deadlines and thus had to omit some caves and stuff (and Aeris revival, but I won't even go there because that's BS).

Also, I kind of get annoyed by this portrayal of a rather humourless Cloud. Unfortunately Square Enix too have seemed to have been ignoring Cloud's more pervish tendencies. I'm seriously hoping for the next title to have some sort of scene of him going through Tifa's underwear drawer... :awesome:
 

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I am not sure if this has been mentioned but can anyone tell me where this whole "FF7 was a rushed project" myth comes from? Because I hear a lot that the creators had to "rush" the game to make deadlines and thus had to omit some caves and stuff (and Aeris revival, but I won't even go there because that's BS).

The creator's own words and the general policy of square at the time, as well as several similarly unfinished Square works put out in the same time. FF7 WAS rushed, but they got it mostly finished. Certainly a lot moreso than Xenogears or SaGa frontier.
 

Vossler

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The creator's own words and the general policy of square at the time, as well as several similarly unfinished Square works put out in the same time. FF7 WAS rushed, but they got it mostly finished. Certainly a lot moreso than Xenogears or SaGa frontier.
Wasn't AC rushed too?
 

Smaddy

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The points about DOC Lucrecia and Vincent, okay... I guess so. I'm looking too far into things in a game that Square half-assed. Personally, I don't think I'll ever find either of their characterizations in DOC that plausible.

:lol: @ the person who was sad when Sephiroth was thrown into the Nibleheim Reactor. Although I believe it, because there is that whole set of fans who thinks Sephiroth is "liek so hott"... forget that he's y'know, psycho and a mass murderer and all...

I don't think it was brought up yet, but I've seen a few fans who believe that Aeris' death was thrown into the game at the very last minute; that she wasn't supposed to die. Also, there is the rumor that the Japanese version has a way to revive her.

And I know I said it in another thread, but the "secret" ending of AC reminded me- there are people who call the '500 Years Later' movie at the end of FF7 a "secret" ending. I guess sitting through the end credits is a big deal? :awesome:
 

looneymoon

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The creator's own words and the general policy of square at the time, as well as several similarly unfinished Square works put out in the same time. FF7 WAS rushed, but they got it mostly finished. Certainly a lot moreso than Xenogears or SaGa frontier.

OIC. That makes sense, but I still find the assertions of it being "unfinished" and leading to claims such as...

I don't think it was brought up yet, but I've seen a few fans who believe that Aeris' death was thrown into the game at the very last minute; that she wasn't supposed to die. Also, there is the rumor that the Japanese version has a way to revive her.

...this as rather annoying. As if these circumstances totally impeded on the creator's ability to tell the story they wanted to tell.
 

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:lol: @ the person who was sad when Sephiroth was thrown into the Nibleheim Reactor. Although I believe it, because there is that whole set of fans who thinks Sephiroth is "liek so hott"... forget that he's y'know, psycho and a mass murderer and all...
Pretty people can get away with anything. Or rich people, but most seem to feel more sympathy for pretty people. Alternatively, it's how serial killers get fanclubs of girls who would love to marry them.
 

Smaddy

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OIC. That makes sense, but I still find the assertions of it being "unfinished" and leading to claims such as...
I think most games are unfinished, or at least Square games. :lol: Most games I've looked into the backgrounds of have leftover unfinished areas, features, minigames, items, etc. It's just how it is.


...this as rather annoying. As if these circumstances totally impeded on the creator's ability to tell the story they wanted to tell.
It really is. Most of FF7's story revolves around her death. It's not this little aside moment that is never really mentioned again, and is just a way to get rid of her character. Once her death happens... it plays an enormous role in the 2nd and 3rd discs... not to mention the ending.

I think the people who believe her death was a very last minute decision are butchering a quote from one of the creators of the game who said that they decided to add in her death after going through the death of their mother. But nowhere did it mention that this was a last minute change or anything...
 

The Twilight Mexican

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The creator's own words and the general policy of square at the time, as well as several similarly unfinished Square works put out in the same time. FF7 WAS rushed, but they got it mostly finished. Certainly a lot moreso than Xenogears or SaGa frontier.

Really, the most obvious sign that it was rushed is that the original Japanese version was missing an important part of the story: the explanation for why Cloud was in Midgar.

That whole flashback with Zack didn't make it in for the initial release.

Can you imagine trying to figure out that damn story without that scene?

I think the people who believe her death was a very last minute decision are butchering a quote from one of the creators of the game who said that they decided to add in her death after going through the death of their mother.

That itself is actually an erroneous fandom assumption. Sakaguchi's mother died in 1988, during the making of Final Fantasy III.

While that did inspire him creatively, it was more so with regard to the Lifestream concept in general. He speaks about it at length in the foreword to the "making of" book made for The Spirits Within.

Aerith's death was a suggestion on Nomura's part, and a decision he and Kitase came to during a long phone conversation.

I think most games are unfinished, or at least Square games. :lol: Most games I've looked into the backgrounds of have leftover unfinished areas, features, minigames, items, etc. It's just how it is.

This is certainly the case. For instance, the Secret Seekers as we call them over on the official PlayStation boards have spent years delving into Shadow of the Colossus.

In the last year, there's been an avalanche of discovery, culminating in them learning a warp code and discovering a lot of stuff -- most notably that there's a giant dam in the inaccessible eastern part of the map, along with a shit-ton of mountains, grasslands and some desert-like areas.

Actually, that may not be the most notable thing. The most notable detail may be the fact that in the demos of the game, the giant Shrine of Worship was actually solid from top to bottom, though the collision detection was off a bit in some of the higher areas. As well, the beta copy of the final version of the game -- yep, the Secret Seekers have even acquired that -- featured the entire temple with perfect collision detection and grabbable edges everywhere, confirming once and for all that the developers had once intended for the player to be able to get up there.

Why didn't they include this option in the final version? None of us know for sure, but my belief is that this high vantage allows the player to see a lot of void pits in the geometry, and texture gaps throughout the Forbidden Land.

This most recent discovery actually came just days ago, leaving the Secret Seekers wondering what the hell is left to discover after years of searching. Their work is basically over.

Another incomplete element of the game was a special item called "Eye of the Colossus," which would have switched the player's view to the colossi's vision. You'd have still controlled the player's character, but would have done so while watching from the vantage of your opponent.

There's probably a number of reasons why that was scrapped, not the least of which would have been issues with the camera angles and difficulties in actually seeing where you were going.

The Shadow of the Colossus art book that came out around the time of the game also revealed details on several colossi that weren't included in the final version of the game for various reasons.
 

Glaurung

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Also, I kind of get annoyed by this portrayal of a rather humourless Cloud. Unfortunately Square Enix too have seemed to have been ignoring Cloud's more pervish tendencies. I'm seriously hoping for the next title to have some sort of scene of him going through Tifa's underwear drawer... :awesome:

I want the remake to see that, among other things.



:lol: @ the person who was sad when Sephiroth was thrown into the Nibleheim Reactor. Although I believe it, because there is that whole set of fans who thinks Sephiroth is "liek so hott"... forget that he's y'know, psycho and a mass murderer and all...

Pretty people can get away with anything. Or rich people, but most seem to feel more sympathy for pretty people. Alternatively, it's how serial killers get fanclubs of girls who would love to marry them.

Or how glittering, chauvinistic vampire boys get a huge mass of fangirls around the world who are eager to serve him as a dormat *sigh*



That itself is actually an erroneous fandom assumption. Sakaguchi's mother died in 1988, during the making of Final Fantasy III.

I myself believed that since I saw a series of video retrospectives about Final Fantasy at Gametrailers, so maybe that's where the whole cunfussion comes from.
 

Vossler

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So what? Of course it's an awful thing to throw a bishie into a mako pit for the small and forgivable crimes of killing your mother, slicing up your crush, and torching your village. :monster:

Did you know that some people actually think that Vincent and Yuffie are an item? They really believe it's true, like some people argue for Cloti or Clerith. *facepalm* I think they've been reading too much fan-fic.
Oh no Seffiros thrown in the pit! If Vincent and Yuffie are an item then Barret and Dyne really did have a secret relationship.:ego:
 

Vossler

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Yeah no doubt. People just need to be patient and wait for the credits to end.
 

Smaddy

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Wow I have never seen that secret ending before?!?! :awesome:

A lot of people think Vincent and Yuffie are an item because they interact so much in DOC. Maybe I missed the secret-secret ending of DOC where they make out or something...? :P
 

Glaurung

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Wow I have never seen that secret ending before?!?! :awesome:

A lot of people think Vincent and Yuffie are an item because they interact so much in DOC. Maybe I missed the secret-secret ending of DOC where they make out or something...? :P
Maybe that was the reason they created a boyfriend for Yuffie, so people don't pair a girl of 20 with a man of 60 :awesome:
 
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