Yu-Gi-Oh!

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
Doesn't Yugi mention in one episode that if he doesn't play a card, Mai is allowed to attack him? Lemme find...

EDIT - Ah, he does, but only in the dub. Nvm.
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
Excuse me, I need to rant.

*clears throat*

GOD DAMMIT I HATE FUCKING CROW!!!!

The guy is such a horribly-designed Canon Sue it isn't funny! He's introduced half-way through the first season and just *happens* to be a childhood friend of Yusei and Jack, and everybody instantly adores the guy including every damn kid in existence. He is introduced pulling a First-Turn Kill while riding on his customized Black D-wheeler that *flies*, and his deck and D-wheeler are heirlooms from his mentor. Geez, why not just toss him a Millennium Item and a God Card while you're at it?

He proceeds to re-shape the show's canon to his whim, getting a 5th dragon that LOOKS NOTHING LIKE the original 5th dragon which was *yellow*, and he ends up inheriting the 5th Signer mark because oh, why not? And then, in the next season he rises up to third billing behind the protagonist and his rival, effectively replacing Yusei's posse of friends from the previous season. He has NEVER legitimately lost a duel, the one time he has lost was because he lost on purpose! And now, they crash him and let Akiza take his place on 5Ds. Then they make her lose in two turns, put her in a coma and let Crow retake his place! A mini-arc that accomplished absolutely nothing but giving them an excuse to take Crow out of an obligatory duel so they wouldn't have to make him actually *lose* for once!

The guy has NO significant character development, an uninspired backstory (oh no, an orphaned street kid, how original and sad), he's outright re-written the show's canon twice with no explanations for the retcons he's leaving in his wake, and if you go by the win-loss record, he's not only the best damn duelist in the show, he's perhaps one of the best duelists in the franchise! God damn, how can people like this guy, do they not realize how badly written and incredibly sue-ish he is!? He SUCKS! Crow SUCKS DAMMIT! I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU CROW, DIE, DIE, DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE!!!!!!!!!!!

*gasps for breath*

I...feel a bit better now.
 
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Lord Noctis

Harbinger of Darkness
AKA
Caius Ballad
You know what we need. A dueling thread. So e can test our skills against each other and all that. Seriously, we need more childrens card games on this site.
 

ForceStealer

Double Growth
Just so I don't get in trouble for talking about this in Ryu's thread:
Paradox said:
You know, in a strange change of character, I have to say that the original opener for YGO done by 4kids wasn't really that bad. It was good. I much prefer the original Japanese ones, but back then, those openings were pretty cool. Kinda funny saying that, but I guess it only proves 4kids went downhill with every year.



I'm telling you, with the exception of that one loathsome part, its really good. That egyptian sound and beat that goes through the whole song is really cool. Not to mention notably more epic than the jpop/rock. I suppose that makes that part all the more irritating because the rest of the song kicks ass.

As a matter of fact, I'm gonna go and make myself really hated and say that the 4kids music in general is a lot better than the Japanese version. *ducks* Just wait! Watch some particular episode in both languages and forget about anything like acting and just listen to the music. First of all, most of the time the Japanese version isn't even playing music.
Secondly, I really really like the aforementioned middle eastern flair in much of the English version's soundtrack. The transformation theme for example, the Japanese one IS cool and epic, but I can't really understand why the Japanese version didn't use middle eastern style music. Maybe I'm biased having grown up with a lot of style music, being half Lebanese, but it does kinda fit with all the ancient Egyptian stuff, no?
Besides that, the music in general is decidedly more bombastic in the English version, which you could say doesn't fit the card game I guess but its already over the top anyway, you might as well fun with it.

Also, before you say anything like "not having music for a lot of the time is a Japanese thing," I know. But it sounds better with music, imo.
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
I liked the English opening too. Foreboding music, flashes of monsters in battle, ancient magic and the main protagonists and villains preparing to duel. Very cool. Jpod I don't mind, but Yugioh was meant to be a mature series (lolinorite?) and the English opening fits.
 
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DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
There's a vid that used to be on the original English Yugioh site, it was a rap about the first season's events. If anyone finds it on YouTube link me because I liked it, hate rap but it was funny. I only remember the last bit, here it is paraphrased (not word-for-word remember):

"My grandpa's been kidnapped, where'd he go, I dunno, I can hear him though. He's been telling me all sorts of stuff, like believe in myself, and you're not nearly so tough. What's up with that eye anyway, heard you had some sorta King Tut run-in, dude you're nothing but a shut-in, your wacked-out morality and messed up mentality, I'll take you on here, or in virtual reality. Sure you got thousands of monsters and cards to your name, but when it comes time for my turn...I'm the king of the game."
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
AKA
Smooth Criminal
I am disappoint in you Atem.

Really disappoint.

You lost me when you said that the dub music of YGO was superior to the original.

No, man. No. You want Middle Eastern flair, and Egyptian cultural themes.... You need to hear all of the Sound Duel soundtracks and themes from the original. Particularly Millennium World. Hell, it's in Battle City too.



Are you telling me that 4kids has anything on this shit, right here? Really? That's Yami Malik's theme when he goes balls out with Ra.



This is the theme of Malik and the Ghouls. Again, clearly Egyptian influenced.



This is the theme for when we discover about the hidden memories of Atem, when I believe Kaiba and Isis look at the stele in the Domino City Museum that shows Priest Set and Atem dueling it out in 5000 BC. Again, you're gonna tell me the original anime didn't have Egyptian themed music? Or that the anime doesn't have music? The anime has lots of music. Rich, instrumental, and high quality music. The original series has some of the most high class, instrumental music out of all of YGO. Now all it is, is synthed crap.



This is a very beautiful and sorrowful theme, which is the piece that plays whenever we see the flashback of Malik's past as a Tombkeeper, and the terrible fate he suffered because of it. This is some emotional shit here.



The Sealed Miracle is what plays whenever Yugi first summoned Exodia in the first episode and blew Kaiba away...and also when he played his God Card the first time. Epic theme of awesomesauce here...the trumpets, strings, and sitar are clear in this one, again..giving it a nice underlying Egyptian theme as well.



And THIS is the definitive theme of Yu-Gi-Oh...Passioante Duelists, Yugi's theme when he gets serious. This is probably the best main character theme in all of YGO. Again, you can catch the Egyptian rift here at the beginning. Too bad NAS fucked it up, and played a "My first Casio Keyboard" version for GX, and apparently the 10th Anniversary movie. Shit needs to be fully instrumental like it was.

No Atem. I have no clue what you're talking about. There's lots of music in the original, and in the first series..its very heavily influenced by the story's Egyptian roots. And considering its all very emotional, and professionally preformed instrumentally, I'd say it counts as mature as well. Looks like Roger Slifer's gotten to ya. :monster:
 
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ForceStealer

Double Growth
Well this isn't very fair, it's much harder to find the english songs, lol.

But okay, maybe I'll retract the statement that they're better. I never heard (on its own) that first one, Millennium Power, and you're right, it's really awesome.
But I will stand by the fact that the English one had some good music, dammit.



This is an exciting theme that they used a good amount whenever some fancy combo was going on.



A simple one, but cool nonetheless.



This is also an emotional song.



You can say what you want here, but this is better than the Japanese song for Toon World. Stuff it.:wacky:



That's the kinda stuff I was talking about, especially at 2:00.



Pegasus also has a very ominous (and strangely Egyptian-influenced) theme.



Even throwaway villian Nesbitt has a cool theme! His name is Nesbitt and they gave him a cool song!:monster:



There's also no denying the epicness of the God Card theme, but Ra's variation is the best one.



I'll eat my word's here, as Malik's Japanese theme is much mroe middle-eastern, but this one is still pretty cool.



They overplayed this one. But the first time you heard it was pretty awesome.



And the English Transformation theme is pretty epic too.



And come on, you have to give me this one. Thief King Bakura's English theme really kicks ass. (Be sure to check out the crescendo from 2:12)

I'm not expecting you to change your mind or anything, and as I said, I'll concede that perhaps the soundtrack's not better. But you have to at least give me that there is some damn good music in the English version.
 

crack

Donator
Wait, seriously, mou hitori no boku? I'm with Mako on this. I like the 4kids opening version as well, but most of the music played throughout the 4kids dubbed episodes doesn't sound Egyptian at all. It sounds more like they used a music synthesizer and tried to make it sound all techno. Another thing I don't like about the dubbed music is that they tend to only concentrate on one theme/expression for the characters. A lot of the dubbed music tends to sound redundant as well, in my opinion; especially with the villain themes.

Also, I DESPISE everything about the transformation sequence in the dubbed version. HOW MANY TIMES YOU GOING TO SHOW IT TO US 4KIDS
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
AKA
Smooth Criminal
Hey Drake, how's it feel to be wrong? :monster:

If Latin church chorus, and organs are your bag, then that's cool. But that's still pretty obviously synthed. Sounds like something you'd hear as the final boss theme in a PSone JRPG.

Compare with the original:



None of that synthed, psuedo-instrumental, chorus shit. Pure strings, timpani, and crashing cymbals. Classical, orchestral, and epic. YGO's soundtrack is all about the orchestra; all originally preformed, instrumental, and professionally done. That alone sets it aside from most shonen anime of its time. One thing it didn't cut corners on was its music.

@Atem

Glad we cleared it up. :monster:

The dub did have some good tracks. Oh yes, it truly did. Better than the original? I have to say no. But that doesn't take away from the good the songs had.

I will say that they did do a good job on a good number of tracks, especially in Battle City and Duelist Kingdom. Hell, I remember actually getting the music CDs from McDonalds back in the day. The character songs that came with the YGO cards they had in Happy Meals. Pegasus's was my favorite one. "Face up, Face Down."



This was just a fucking awesome song. Pegasus had one of the best english voice actors. He's one of the gems of the 4kids cast, cause he truly captured the original's voice perfectly. And that's hard to say with a lot of them. Kaiba was another I truly loved.

But seriously. That song exemplified perfectly.
 
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ForceStealer

Double Growth
He really did do a great job with Pegasus. As you said he matched the original very well, and I loved the way he would drop his voice to the infinitely more serious, evil tone. It was awesome.

Yami Bakura was better in English, and I know I'm not alone on that one. Yugi and Atem...I know there was a MUCH bigger difference between the two of them then there was in Japanese. And there were many times Green overdid it. But there were several times where he really nailed it.

Wait, seriously, mou hitori no boku? I'm with Mako on this. I like the 4kids opening version as well, but most of the music played throughout the 4kids dubbed episodes doesn't sound Egyptian at all. It sounds more like they used a music synthesizer and tried to make it sound all techno. Another thing I don't like about the dubbed music is that they tend to only concentrate on one theme/expression for the characters. A lot of the dubbed music tends to sound redundant as well, in my opinion; especially with the villain themes.

Also, I DESPISE everything about the transformation sequence in the dubbed version. HOW MANY TIMES YOU GOING TO SHOW IT TO US 4KIDS

The only song that really sounds techno is Kaiba's theme, and you'll notice I didn't post that one :monster:

As for the transformation sequence...did they really show it more often? In Duelist Kingdom? I don't really remember as its been awhile but I don't seem to recall seeing it any less in the Japanese version...but I could be wrong...
 
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Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
AKA
Smooth Criminal
I disagree with Bakura. I like his dub voice, but I find his Japanese voice much more fitting.

I find it amusing that they decided to make him British though. :monster:

Dan Green would sound awesome if he were anyone else but Yugi. He's talented, and you could tell he put a lot of passion in the character, but it's like trying to fit a circle peg in a square hole. It just doesn't fit. It kinda does...sometimes, but more often than not, I'm rolling in laughter, when I shouldn't. :awesome:

And yeah, they really spammed the transformation sequences more in the dub than the original. Never understood why.

Another dub voice I think deserves credit is Dartz. For a filler villain, he did a surprisingly impressive performance. I thought he was an awesome choice. Mai's original dub voice was good too. But whoever replaced her in the Doma arc needs to go back in the kitchen.

Pegasus, Kaiba, Mai, Dartz, Haga (because you really can't fuck Haga up..just sound like an annoying snot nose punk) and at times, Bakura, were some of the good voice jobs that came out of the dub for me. More often than not, they sounded good. Everyone else was either mediocre, okay at times, or just bad. Honda, I'm looking at you.
 

ForceStealer

Double Growth


Go to 6:56. There's an example of Green nailing it. He's not screaming at the top of his lungs but is still very intimidating. (Its also one of those examples I mentioned before where the dub's dialog is a lot cooler. In the Japanese there's a really long pause and then he basically says he won't forgive him for insulting Kaiba. Lame.)
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
Hey Drake, how's it feel to be wrong? :monster:

I'm not. Just because I like music that you hate, doesn't make me wrong. Don't be one of those fans, please.

As for the transformation sequences, as I read it, they included the full thing in the English version more because remember, the Japanese series came after "Season 0," so in the Japanese version the second series anime began when most fans already knew about Yami Yugi, it was established. Granted, we're not idiots over here and the change in height, voice, and facial structure make it obvious it isn't Yugi. But most of us I wager, watching from episode 1 on, wouldn't know that he had an entirely different person taking control of his body.
 
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Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
AKA
Smooth Criminal
Actually he says, "You stole Kaiba's deck and soiled his heart. I will never forgive you! MIND CRUSH!"

He probably says a lot less because he's not talking about some fat man being let out of the Shadow Realm by Pegasus or such rubbish. :awesome:

And honestly, I rather like that the original doesn't have run on sentences for dialogue because they just don't feel comfortable letting the music set the theme as well as the animation. 4Kids just loves extraneous, verbose dialogue. It's kinda funny. That whole spiel could be summed up in a succinct and intimidating, "Pegasus, you used a fake to soil Seto Kaiba. Be prepared. I'm coming for YOU!" rather than the tl;dr of the dub. Which is what he originally said.

And what's up with everyone wanting his puzzle? Roffl, Pegasus don't want that stinky puzzle, he's got his own item. LOL whut? He just wants his soul :monster:
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
And honestly, I rather like that the original doesn't have run on sentences for dialogue because they just don't feel comfortable letting the music set the theme as well as the animation.

As a related note, the debut of the Egyptian God theme, when Kaiba reveals Obelisk, the music is perfectly timed with what's actually going on. That moment is one of my favorites in the series.

BTW, Fist of Fate > Fist of Fury.
 

crack

Donator
Yami Bakura was better in English, and I know I'm not alone on that one. Yugi and Atem...I know there was a MUCH bigger difference between the two of them then there was in Japanese. And there were many times Green overdid it. But there were several times where he really nailed it.
I actually like Yami Bakura's English dub, but I think his Japanese counterpart does a much better job in nailing his voice. Especially when he laughed, Rica Matsumoto was spot on when it came to his laughs.

I think Dan Green is a good voice actor, but he was definitely not a right choice for Yugi, and I think at times he makes Atem seem to overconfident and prideful. There were definitely times when I wanted to burst out laughing, especially because it seemed so out of sync. His voice is intimidating, but it's way too strong for Atemu's character.

And what's up with everyone wanting his puzzle? Roffl, Pegasus don't want that stinky puzzle, he's got his own item. LOL whut.
ia. Hasn't he already 'gained the powers of knowledge and darkness?'

Though, Atemu described the Millennium Puzzle as the power of unity. Maybe he wanted it to 'unite' with his wife?

Either that, or he's gay and wants Atemu. :awesome:
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
I think Dan Green is a good voice actor, but he was definitely not a right choice for Yugi, and I think at times he makes Atem seem to overconfident and prideful. There were definitely times when I wanted to burst out laughing, especially because it seemed so out of sync. His voice is intimidating, but it's way too strong for Atemu's character.

He can voice whoever he likes, because he's DAN GREEN!

I really didn't think much about it watching as a kid, but in hindsight the Large Ham aspect he brought to Yami Yugi is hilarious. Makes the re-runs a blast.

Plus, Dan Green's performance made Episodes 18-19 of Yugioh GX two of the best episodes that GX has ever given us.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/LargeHam/Anime

I myself added the Marc Thompson thing the other day, but I stand by it.
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
AKA
Smooth Criminal
Wouldn't be surprised if he were gay, tbh.

pegasus-wine.jpg


"Yugi-boy~! Come to my castle and play card games with me!"

yugi.gif


"........I think I'll go to Battle City and duel on a blimp, no thanks!"
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
Fool, we all know Pegasus is gay for Kaiba. Remember the movie?

"Now let's go make sweet monkey love."
"What?"
"I mean, play a children's card game."
".....hmmmmm...."
 

crack

Donator
Wouldn't be surprised if he were gay, tbh.

pegasus-wine.jpg


"Yugi-boy~! Come to my castle and play card games with me!"

yugi.gif


"........I think I'll go to Battle City and duel on a blimp, no thanks!"
"... with my mou hitori no boku!!!!~~~~~~~~~"

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ForceStealer

Double Growth
Actually he says, "You stole Kaiba's deck and soiled his heart. I will never forgive you! MIND CRUSH!"

I don't mean what he says to the clown, I mean what he says to Pegasus.

There are exactly three occasions in which I prefer the dub dialog to the Japanese.

1. The duel with Pegasus through the VHS tape.

2. That one, Yugi limit breaking and threatening Pegasus.

3. Téa yelling at Kaiba after his suicide stunt. In Japanese Anzu starts going off about Yugi's "Heart Card" or some bullshit. But in English (Téa's only good lines in the entire freaking anime), she does that great "What do you have, Seto Kaiba?! What do you have at the end of the day?!" To which he badass-ly responds, "I have all that I need!"

There's an honorable mention to Tristan in the final episode, right as Atem is leaving, when everyone runs up and stops him. All the of dialog is better in Japanese except Tristan's. Honda says "Are you really leaving?! You don't have to go that world, don't go!"
But Tristan has, imo, a much more emotional line, "So that's how it ends, huh? Nice! You think you can show up and change everybody's lives, and then just leave?!"
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
3. Téa yelling at Kaiba after his suicide stunt. In Japanese Anzu starts going off about Yugi's "Heart Card" or some bullshit. But in English (Téa's only good lines in the entire freaking anime), she does that great "What do you have, Seto Kaiba?! What do you have at the end of the day?!" To which he badass-ly responds, "I have all that I need!"

I love that scene too. "You've spent so much time around your machines, you've forgotten what being human's about!"

EDIT - Does anyone else remember the rap vid I mentioned? It's bugging me now, can't get the words out of my head.
 
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