Effeminate Characters
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Makoeyes987
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^This, pretty much. Way to go at taking our banter seriously. Good job.
Munky
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Manly-looking women, otherwise known as the Butchus Lesbionus, well we try to keep those hidden as best as we can.
Also, MakoxDacon has provided much lulz.. basically because they can continue on without consequence. If they were regular members, they'd get warned or banned. If one was a member and the other a mod, the member would get banned. Maybe they should just ban each other and run off to the fields to relive each other's pent up sexual frustration.
Actually, what came to my - admittedly perverted and yaoi-infused mind - was this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FoeYay
Here's hoping they're both incredibly androgynous pretty-boys with big wide eyes. Whichever one is the villain will have beautiful silver hair (because all of the villainous bishounen have silver hair!) and the other will have a tragic past leading to his current heroism. Isn't it wonderful! *clutches her hands to her bosom*
I Am Not Me
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Johnny's Entertainment, anyone? Not realizing. Just wanted to discuss it.
We're not dumb. Any fangirl would know why a bishounen is.Edit: Looks like I missed a lot of posts again.
Munky
Jo-licious
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more like this
except neither of us is white
Well I know I'll be having some sweet dreams tonight. Thank you, sir!
Channy
Bad Habit
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No but that's the thing, because you're friends. To other people who might not know when two people are arguing as heated as you two were, but are friends, they might just wave the banhammer.
..or sumthin to that affect.
Ravynne Nevyrmore
that one Lucrecia fangirl
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DaconXMako is the only yaoi pairing I'll ship.
And, I think the attraction to "effeminate" men comes down to hygiene. Clean people shave. Clean people wear clean clothes, have neat hair, etc. A hairy, fat man is dirty. Do not want. Presumably, clean people take care of their bodies and are thinner/more athletic, also.
I'm not saying it's correct. I'm proposing that it's the basis of the attraction. And attraction doesn't have to be any more logical than WOMAN WITH LARGE BREASTS MAKE GOOD MOTHER.
Or, consider that what men and women find attractive is not as totally different as men might think. Men, however, are lazier (or at least obtuse) when it comes to making themselves look attractive, and usually fall into a state of sloppiness. Because so many men look this way, it becomes associated with masculinity. In reality, it's just that women are settling while men hold us to impossible standards of beauty in return. And due to supply and demand, we must comply while they are allowed to get away with sloth.
And, I think the attraction to "effeminate" men comes down to hygiene. Clean people shave. Clean people wear clean clothes, have neat hair, etc. A hairy, fat man is dirty. Do not want. Presumably, clean people take care of their bodies and are thinner/more athletic, also.
I'm not saying it's correct. I'm proposing that it's the basis of the attraction. And attraction doesn't have to be any more logical than WOMAN WITH LARGE BREASTS MAKE GOOD MOTHER.
Or, consider that what men and women find attractive is not as totally different as men might think. Men, however, are lazier (or at least obtuse) when it comes to making themselves look attractive, and usually fall into a state of sloppiness. Because so many men look this way, it becomes associated with masculinity. In reality, it's just that women are settling while men hold us to impossible standards of beauty in return. And due to supply and demand, we must comply while they are allowed to get away with sloth.
Channy
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Ahh, but see there's a new generation of men out there who are going against the norm now. There are a lot of guys out there who like a "natural" look on a girl, sans make up an such. Some are more accepting of the natural state of a woman and don't want them to be prissy little bitches.
I remember with my bf anytime I farted, he'd say "I love you". Maybe because he needed to remind himself that he did despite my disgusting habits, but that old notion of 
Girls are pure and aren't hairy, don't smell or expel any bodily fluids is just crap. Even though a lot of girls still do stuff like that for themselves, guys out there are more accepting now.
I remember with my bf anytime I farted, he'd say "I love you".
Maybe because he needed to remind himself that he did despite my disgusting habits, but that old notion of Girls are pure and aren't hairy, don't smell or expel any bodily fluids is just crap. Even though a lot of girls still do stuff like that for themselves, guys out there are more accepting now.
haichinamie
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First post isn't funny.
Also, I think this has pretty much been answered. SE naturally targets the most important demographic and that's primarily teens and people in their 20s. And given the popularity of boy bands and more "delicate" looking men in the Japanese culture nowadays, it's no wonder that their characters always have a tendency to look effeminate. It doesn't make the characters gay. In fact I like the fact that Cloud has enough muscle but isn't a hairy beast..
Also, I think this has pretty much been answered. SE naturally targets the most important demographic and that's primarily teens and people in their 20s. And given the popularity of boy bands and more "delicate" looking men in the Japanese culture nowadays, it's no wonder that their characters always have a tendency to look effeminate. It doesn't make the characters gay. In fact I like the fact that Cloud has enough muscle but isn't a hairy beast..
Cat Rage Room
Great Old One
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This is only my own subjective thoughts, but while I can definitely see the appeal in men that look soft and Johnny Depp like, I don't understand why women (anywhere) like outright effeminate and girly men.
I mean, you already have a pussy. Why do you want another one?
I mean, you already have a pussy. Why do you want another one?
Ravynne Nevyrmore
that one Lucrecia fangirl
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Haha yeah, okay I can agree with that. I may like pretty eyes and smooth skin, but I like it with muscles (not bodybuilder-like, but, you know, strong) and at least some mentionable degree of masculinity. And I like to see guys that are attracted to women. Is it self insertion (lolinsertionlol)? I don't know. I just like the idea of a man being attracted to femininity, not another penis. Even if I didn't liken the girl to myself, there's something more attractive about a guy—and usually guys like to think they're so tough and impervious—being "softened" by something more delicate than themselves.MOG said:
But maybe because my likes do lean to the "girly" side of the sliding scale between prettyboy and oaf, I suppose I can somewhat understand that some girls like to put that slider way the fuck to the left. I think they're mostly young, though. And maybe even closet lesbians. I don't personally see the allure in men who want other men. Is it some kind of dominance?
That said, I did crush pretty hard on a gay guy once, but it was more like "in spite of" than "because of."
Suzaku
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That stuff is almost entirely self-imposed by the females of the species, anyway. Women look in the mirror or at each other and do it to themselves. Women buy the fashion magazines, the cosmetics, and all of that stuff, to try and give themselves an edge over other women or to boost their own self confidence.
I can pretty much guarantee that there aren't many straight guys watching America's Next Top Model or reading Cosmo and forming an ideal view of what a woman needs to look and act like to be considered attractive. That's all on the womenfolk.
Girls smell nice, are clean, and have boobs. That's more than enough for most guys. Why do you think there are stereotypes like guys not wanting to answer "does this make me look fat" questions or not noticing new haircuts? It's because we generally don't care.
Anyway, the OP is missing Yoshitaka Amano artwork, so here are some whispy geisha men with lipstick and beaded tassles:
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I hate it. No balls or brawn included and it looks silly when thinking of a pairing. Especially if said effeminate man looks epically like a girl that he gets poked fun at.
ForceStealer
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SO true, Suzaku. I always hear how young women are pressured to be incredibly thin, and made to feel inferior if they aren't tall, aren't blonde, etc. But i wholeheartedly agree with you that a majority of that is self-imposed. I have never met a SINGLE guy that has found Paris Hilton to be anything other than ugly. And she is exactly the tall, skeletal specimen that women are made to feel that's how they should look? Why would that be the case when men far more frequently swoon over curvier women?
As McChanny said, I am firmly in the less-is-more camp as far as makeup goes. Used sparingly it can indeed make a woman look very pretty, but blue eyeshadow that looks as though it was applied through one of those things they ice cakes with looks terrible.
Well, I suppose that's true to an extent, but as for the fat questions, there is almost no point in answering. Because its not like the guy can say "Yes." And women aren't stupid, they know we can't say that it does, so they don't believe us if we say it doesn't, so why bother?
As for the actual topic, I don't really understand the girly guys kick either. A better example even than Johnny Depp, I think, is Orlando Bloom's Lord of the Rings Elf whose name I can't remember. I understand what you're sayign Ravynne, but hairy fat guys and unhygenic looks aren't really considered manly. Unkempt, yes, but not dirty. (Well, not greasy dirty, though girls do seem to be turned on by the sweaty, strong-exerting-himself guy)
And, really, I never thought Cloud looked feminine. Especially in FF7, but even in Advent Children. As I've said before, no, he's not the Marlboro Man, and he does have soft facial features, but he has very notable muscles and carries himself (the way he fights, walks, and talks) are all pretty masculine. Crisis Core you have more of a case, but that's because he's supposed to be pretty darn young then, I can't tell you how many times I was mistaken for my mom on the phone around that age, lol.
My one female friend is turned on by Yazoo - THAT I don't understand. He looks resoundly like a woman, stands like one, tilts his head like one, he's a woman.
Vincent is also not feminine in my book. Yes he has long, some might say pretty black hair, well so do I and no one has said I look like a girl. Not to mention his incredibly deep voice.
But even if they are, it seems to be what women want, Cid is manly, so is Barret, and I never hear girls go after them.
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Makoeyes987
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...Old? Cid's only 35, in DC. In FFVII he's 32. I can't believe you'd call him an old man.
Makoeyes987
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Reeve was 35, Barret was 35, Vincent is around 47 years old and Red XIII was 48
Only Cloud and Tifa are in their twenties. Most of them are not that young.
Only Cloud and Tifa are in their twenties. Most of them are not that young.