FFIX....Another Ultimania project?

curiousACfan

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[quote author=The Notorious M.O.G. link=topic=544.msg21599#msg21599 date=1235331486]
Anything on Amarant?
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Here's his pre-game timeline information:

November, 1773: Born
1791: (18 years old) Starts gaining a reputation in society
April, 1798: (24 years old) Is Zidane's scapegoat in Treno
May, 1798: Under search by the authorities, he leaves Treno
 

OWA-2

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I heard it's stated in the Ultimania, that Garland made the Angels of Death with an ability to absorb souls and become stronger by doing that. And that Zidane was supposed to absorb Kuja's soul after his(Kuja's) death.

Is that true, or pure fanfiction?
 

curiousACfan

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[quote author=OWA-2 link=topic=544.msg21723#msg21723 date=1235362679]
I heard it's stated in the Ultimania, that Garland made the Angels of Death with an ability to absorb souls and become stronger by doing that. And that Zidane was supposed to absorb Kuja's soul after his(Kuja's) death.

Is that true, or pure fanfiction?
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Sounds interesting. I'm honestly not sure. I'll take a look.
 

curiousACfan

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It was probably fanfiction. I ended up translating half of page 42 in my attempt to make sense of the sections entitled "The Genomes and Kuja" and "Zidane and Kuja."

It didn't take me long to figure out that each section leads into the next, so if you haven't read the previous one, it's hard to make sense of the next one, because you're not going to know what the "this"s are.

Now that I've gone this far, I might as well finish translating page 42 and then do 41. At that point, we'll have gone through all of the story details except the individual character profiles. I might end up doing some of those. We'll see. Garland's and Mikoto's are the most likely candidates.

Anyway, here's what we have at the moment (by the way, Mako, wait until I finish the rest to put this on the front page of the site):

Mist
The souls sent out through the roots as "Mist" covered a continent.

The Mist led to unrest in people and, seeking to escape it, they moved to the highlands (some tribes chose to reside below the Mist).

Even so, conflicts were constant on the continent, and every small country born would collapse.

The wars produced many deaths. This meant an increase in the number of souls returning to the crystal. Garland planned it this way so that the souls of Terra could assemble.

However, the frequent wars came to a stop, and the circulation of souls returned to its previous state.

War
Garland surmised that the wars had stopped because one country had developed a way to utilize the "Mist" in flying vehicles, and could overwhelm the other nations.

At that time, Garland had the idea to create a Genome with a strong will who he could send to Gaia to incite war once again. He called this Genome Kuja.

The Genomes and Kuja
The Genome that Garland produced at this time was different from those created to serve as vessels for souls once Fusion completed.

A mistake was made in the process of creating Kuja, however, and he was born as a Genome with an exceedingly powerful will.

Before disposing of him, Garland decided to try making use of him to incite war on Gaia anyway.

After sending Kuja forth, Garland decided to create another Genome with the capacity to cause chaos on Gaia, different from Kuja from the outset.

Zidane and Kuja
Zidane was created differently from Kuja, beginning life as a child and being a Genome furnished with the ability to Trance. Originating as a child and having to go through learning and growth, he'd be different, holding an abundance of emotions, providing him with the Trance ability and making him altogether superior to Kuja.

Zidane's existence and theft of Garland's attention was unbearable to Kuja, so he abandoned him on Gaia. For this action, Garland banished Kuja from traveling to and from Terra.

Garland had needed a soul of that magnitude.
 

Makoeyes987

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....Wow. That's a pretty...dark revelation.

Kuja was never a child. Kuja was just....

Kuja.

Zidane got to grow up and be a child while Kuja was literally just created as a sentient Genome creature.

No wonder Kuja's so fucked up.
 

Bonaventura

Carpe Diem
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G's Apple
Wow, all of this is really interesting. I really need to finish the game! >_< (I'm already spoiled a lot.)

Kuja was never a little brat running around Garland? Wow... so did Kuja look like an adult for 24 years? Or can Genomes grow old, I can't remember right now. O_o
 

littlemoogle

Lv. 25 Adventurer
[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=544.msg19634#msg19634 date=1234996677]
So, with the conclusion of our Dissidia coverage, I was wondering if it'd be okay if we not only covered FFVII Ultimania translations, but...translations of other popular FF games.

If so, I thought I'd put out, FFIX. FFIX has a very interesting plot with lots of questions that were left unanswered. Such as, the assimilation process of Terra, what exactly happened to the crystals and the heroes when Kuja decided to unleash Ultima in the Crystal World, how did Vivi produce offspring and of course...who the fuck is Necron? :monster:

If there's sufficient interest in it, I could get a copy of the FFIX Ultimania and begin scanning it, and see if our staff and users would be interested in translating some portions of it.

So, any thoughts?
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FFIX is probably the best game ever made aside from FFVII, so i'm all for it.
 

curiousACfan

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Here's some for you, guys. I'll have the rest later tonight, hopefully.


Garland's dilemma
In taking over the circulation of the crystal, Fusion would finally be completed.

However, Terra would be unable to throw Gaia into ruin in a single stroke.

The flow would have to be changed gradually, and it was for this reason Garland created Kuja.

With discord on Gaia entrusted to Kuja, Garland set about creating his superior Genome; then he detected a powerful energy similar to that of 500 years ago.

500 years ago
In a kingdom on the Mist Continent, a mighty eidolon was called forth. It got out of the control of those who called it and began running amok, causing destruction across the region; Garland was amazed at the power this eidolon possessed.

The people who called it were able to seal it up, and then hid their whereabouts.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7505/bahavalex.jpg
[Screenshot caption]
The eidolon Alexander, who caused the great disaster 500 years ago, sleeps even now in the kingdom of Alexandria.

Eidolons
Eidolons are born from the crystal, converted from an accumulation of memories within, to serve as powerful guardians for the crystal.

Because their numbers, abilities, etc. are influenced by the power of the crystal, and Terra's crystal was too old to form its own eidolons, it would be unable to wage a direct conflict with the eidolons of Gaia.

When Garland found the place on Gaia where the pulse of its energy intersected, he found the tribe who had a rapport with the eidolons.

Regarding their presence as a threat to Terra, Garland instructed Kuja to destroy their village.

This occurrence was 10 years ago.
 

Makoeyes987

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That's really interesting, regarding Eidolons and their power being dependent on the strength of their originating crystal.

But....if Terra was too weak to produce Eidolons..what the fuck is Ark then? Because Ark is certainly NOT from Gaia.
 

Ⓐaron

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The Man, V
[quote author=littlemoogle link=topic=544.msg21983#msg21983 date=1235410121]
[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=544.msg19634#msg19634 date=1234996677]
So, with the conclusion of our Dissidia coverage, I was wondering if it'd be okay if we not only covered FFVII Ultimania translations, but...translations of other popular FF games.

If so, I thought I'd put out, FFIX. FFIX has a very interesting plot with lots of questions that were left unanswered. Such as, the assimilation process of Terra, what exactly happened to the crystals and the heroes when Kuja decided to unleash Ultima in the Crystal World, how did Vivi produce offspring and of course...who the fuck is Necron? :monster:

If there's sufficient interest in it, I could get a copy of the FFIX Ultimania and begin scanning it, and see if our staff and users would be interested in translating some portions of it.

So, any thoughts?
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FFIX is probably the best game ever made aside from FFVII, so i'm all for it.
[/quote]fixxxéd :monster:
 

curiousACfan

Pro Adventurer
[quote author=The Notorious M.O.G. link=topic=544.msg22033#msg22033 date=1235415935]
So I heard that according to the Ultimania, Stiener is a war orphan. Is that true?
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A rumor that's true. That's refreshing.

Yeah, he became a war orphan at age 5, and a knight at 16.
 

Cat Rage Room

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Mog
I rescind my previous statements, the worst guidebook/game pair has to be SaGa Frontier 1 and 2. Both games are almost completely incomprehensible without their respective plot/character/event guidebooks. More than half of the story was completely left out of both games.
 

Makoeyes987

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Smooth Criminal
This has been oh so interesting curiousACfan, how much more of the last page do you have left? I'm eager to post it on the front page and spruce it up with some images XDD
 

curiousACfan

Pro Adventurer
Good timing for your question, Mako, because here's the rest of the World Establishment stuff. A small note on this before I post it: I'm going to finish throwing out the rest of page 42's stuff, then step back to page 41's.

Keep in mind that there's actually only two sections in the entire World Establishment part of the book -- the "Gaia and Terra" section (pages 40-42) and the "Relationship between the moons and the radiance of the crystals" section (page 43).

So the proper order to read all of it is the stuff I translated first (the page where it talked about Fusion), then the page that runs from "The Iifa Tree" through "Refinement of souls" (about to post it now), then "Mist" through "The Black Mages" and then the stuff about the two moons (which bored me to death).

Mako, when you put the rest of this on the front page, you may want to consider either editing the articles you've already put up, or creating a table of contents list like you did for Dissidia so that people will read it all in order -- and you'd only have 3 articles that way. One for pg. 40 (already up), one for pages 41-42, and then the one already up for page 43.

I'm also going to send you a document with all of the translations for this in the proper order in case you need it for reference.

With all that out of the way, here we go:

(the rest of page 42; technically carries over to the top of 43 as well, but whatever)

Kuja's dilemma
The Genome called Kuja became afraid from the time he saw for himself the one who Garland was producing to be superior to him.

After being banned from coming and going to Terra, Kuja freely made use of the structures from Terra that were on Gaia's surface (the Desert Palace, Mt. Gulug, Ipsen's Castle, Oeilvert, and the Iifa Tree), and via a silver dragon, was able to reach and secure the Invincible; he didn't yet commence his open defiance, however.

He also had an interest in exterminating the village Garland had instructed him to. Before long, he learned of the eidolons' existence and the incident of 500 years ago in Alexandria.

And so it came to pass that he presented the Black Mages to Queen Brahne.

The Black Mages
Produced from the outflow of "Mist," they are the opposite of the Genomes. The Genomes were produced from elements of Terra, while the Black Mages were produced from elements of Gaia.

Though their existence is similar to the Genomes, and both have suppressed emotions, the severe circumstances (war) of one group establishes a difference. Also, the monsters of the Mist and the silver dragons are opposites, both originating from elements of Gaia.



Now, I have no idea what the hell it's talking about with the silver dragons. Maybe the point there is that the dragons are natural creatures while the monsters aren't.



(page 41)
The Iifa Tree
The magical tree of Terra, whose roots extend through the surface of Gaia, and whose trunk resides in the interior. The true trunk lies within, while the section seen on the surface is actually just an aggregate of roots on the reverse side of the trunk. [See Figure 2]

The roots extended to the surface to stabilize the upper ground, while the trunk stretches to the crystal at the core of the planet, governing the cycle of souls.

The Iifa Tree used its influence to stabilize the upper ground 3000 years ago. Around this time, Garland started creating Genomes for the time when the people of Terra would revive.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9064/iifatree.jpg
[Figure 2] Picture from development (Illustration: Hideo Minaba)
The true nature of this giant tree is a spiral of roots. [top left]
There are some points like eyes in the center. [top right]
The tree is green with a yellowish tint. [bottom left]

The Genomes
The Genomes are lifeforms created to carry the souls of Terra's people once they revived.

Until Gaia and Terra's fusion completes, however, the Genomes' lives are likewise incomplete.

With the radiance of Terra's crystal declining, Garland created the Genomes and set out to control the cycle of souls on Gaia.

Controlling the cycle of souls
Because Gaia's crystal already held memories due to the cycle of souls, Fusion had been incomplete. Sharing nearly the same space as Terra's crystal, it was decided to increase its cycle of souls by joining the two cycles together.

However, the flow of Gaia's cycle was too big, so to speak, while it could be said that the flow of Terra's cycle was too thin, making domination not possible.

Using the Iifa Tree, Garland detained the souls of Gaia returning to the crystal, creating a lapse in fresh Gaia souls being born from the crystal, and encouraging the formation of a world where only Terra's souls could circulate.

However, even with Gaia's cycle halted, Terra's circulation nevertheless remained weak.

Atrophy of souls
With Terra's circulation getting weaker, a method was devised to defeat Gaia's power by separating its souls, making it possible for Gaia's cycle to be assimilated. [See Figure 3]

So it was that Garland decided to restore Terra's souls through Gaia's souls.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/570/assimilation.jpg
[Figure 3]
An image where a portion of Gaia's souls are replaced with Terra's souls.

Refinement of souls
In order for Terra's souls to be restored through Gaia's souls, the Soul Divider was set in place at the base of the Iifa Tree.

When the Iifa Tree would restrain a soul of Gaia, the Soul Divider would discard it while replacing it with an element from Terra. Thus, the souls of Terra were continously restored.

Garland also came to realize an indirect effect of this on the hearts of other living creatures -- hinderance of their natural capacity for reason.

Therefore, during the process of restoring Terra's elements, the discarded elements of Gaia were sent off through the roots of the Iifa Tree to the continent where civilization had taken root.

This came to pass some 1000 years ago. The emergence of this "Mist" was responsible for producing frequent conflicts on the continent.



And with that, we can pretty much call this project finished. I'll probably end up doing Garland and Mikoto's profiles, but beyond that, don't look for much. Not that I think we need that much more.

If anyone has any specific questions, I'll be happy to field them, though.

By the way, clarification of a mistake on my part from before: Mikoto's not actually 15, but is 15 in appearance. She's actually barely a year old by the end of the game. My bad on that.
 

Makoeyes987

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Thank you so much for this curiousACfan!!! This has been an awesome project. I posted it all on the front page now with a nice table of contents post as well.

This is some very good stuff here. I'm so glad you were able to help so much in the understanding of FFIX's finer details. Very awesome. ^_^
 

Strangelove

AI Researcher
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hitoshura
I need to get FFIX again :monster:

[quote author=The Notorious M.O.G. link=topic=544.msg22218#msg22218 date=1235445664]
I rescind my previous statements, the worst guidebook/game pair has to be SaGa Frontier 1 and 2. Both games are almost completely incomprehensible without their respective plot/character/event guidebooks. More than half of the story was completely left out of both games.
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And here I am, having just got SF1 off the PSN :monster:
 

curiousACfan

Pro Adventurer
[quote author=Makoeyes987 link=topic=544.msg22424#msg22424 date=1235476420]
Thank you so much for this curiousACfan!!! This has been an awesome project. I posted it all on the front page now with a nice table of contents post as well.

This is some very good stuff here. I'm so glad you were able to help so much in the understanding of FFIX's finer details. Very awesome. ^_^
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As always, you're welcome. The pictures look great, by the way.

[quote author=hitoshura link=topic=544.msg22452#msg22452 date=1235481602]
I need to get FFIX again :monster:[/quote]

It's given me the interest to play again as well, I have to admit. Hope you enjoy it even more next time.

By the way, I hope this evens things up somewhat since you had to do most of the leg work with Dissidia's Ultimania. XD
 

Mantichorus

"I've seen enough."
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Kris; Mantichorus; Sam Vimes; Neku Sakuraba; Koki Kariya; Hazama; CuChulainn; Yu Narukami; Mewtwo; Rival Silver; Suicune; Kanata; Professor Oak; The Brigadier; VIII; The Engineer
Wow, this is all just...wow.

[quote author=curiousACfan link=topic=544.msg22404#msg22404 date=1235469661]And with that, we can pretty much call this project finished. I'll probably end up doing Garland and Mikoto's profiles, but beyond that, don't look for much. Not that I think we need that much more.

If anyone has any specific questions, I'll be happy to field them, though.

By the way, clarification of a mistake on my part from before: Mikoto's not actually 15, but is 15 in appearance. She's actually barely a year old by the end of the game. My bad on that.[/quote]I, for one, would like that. :) The Genomes, Garland and Terra were my favourite parts of the game. Which leads me to a specific question:

The teleporters that are scattered around Gaia (obviously Terran tech) - does the Ultimania have any info on those? What they're actually called, etc.

And you've just totally screwed up my theory that Mikoto and Zidane were quasi-twins. Cheers. :)
 

OWA-2

Pro Adventurer
Thankyou for all your hard work, curiousACfan. The FF fanbase apreciate it.


Ah, and I think there is a little error in the front page:

Wope you enjoy the materials and they help you appreciate FFIX even more!
 

Makoeyes987

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Smooth Criminal
That's what I get for posting that at like 4 in the morning.

Okay, typo fixed.
 
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