ForceStealer
Double Growth
I'm just avoiding stuff from the leaks. I'm gathering that he's referring to the bomb timer starting when Guard Scorpion's laser knocks some debris on it from trailer. But I guess there's more to it.
If that's true that would change culpabilities (...sort of, he did still set a bomb, lol), but I'm not sure I'm understanding. If that's what happens how are you still in control of your timer to escape? Why wouldn't they just blow it up with you inside? Are you sure it isn't just that Shinra knows and allows it to proceed?
Jesus, has everyone played BC? I was under the impression that it was only in Japan, in Japanese, and on Japanese phones.
In fairness, though, going by the Compilation, the Turks had only just survived execution by the skin of their teeth hours before the Mako Reactor 1 bombing mission. Anyone attempting to leave during the time period when the game started would have probably meant execution for the whole group.
At any rate, the Compilation acknowledged Reno's guilt a little bit, so that has to be taken into account in any analysis of him.
Well, unless just looking at the original.
Lic's post covered this I think.
Are these the only three people in Sector 7 all of a sudden? He could have had contact with all sorts of people other than these three. But, also that he was still a little ~bzzt~ at the time, sure he could've been a hermit too, I dunno. But I don't think Biggs makes a habit of asking him his name every time he sees him.
That's not how citations work. But sure it's possible, I don't know what that has to do with her speaking for Biggs and Wedge about their levels of remorse, though.
That's debate, bruh. People are gonna disagree with you. Deal with it.
No, that's highly unlikely. I'm sure he interacted with a number of people... that aren't named, Biggs, Wedge, Jessie, or Barret.
It quite literally is entirely headcanon. Twilight already perfectly covered that.
Headcanon being called headcanon isn't an act of dismissal. What is possible is not necessarily what is true. You seem to take offense to people explaining (very thoroughly, by the way, and with much better clarity than anything my nearly illiterate ass could muster) why it is they don't think your particular flavor of headcanon is likely, and then you rail against them for being dismissive.
There's nothing to support the wiki entry, though, at least as far as I've seen. From what do you base this argument? Yes, I know it's possible. But is it real, or just wishful thinking?
And super-SUPER-dorks write 99 chapters of fanfic based on it.
So the possibility stands, and that's all I'm saying. That it's possible.
And as far as Biggs goes, he still could've seen Cloud around but not gotten to talk to him. Same with Jessie and Wedge. Though Biggs was the only one who tried to introduce himself, so Cloud might've learned the others' names before that but just not thought much of it.
Some random edits the wiki, and whatever they put in there is possible, evidence be damned.There's nothing to refute it, either. So the possibility stands, and that's all I'm saying. That it's possible.
If it's not established fact, it's headcanon. Drawing conclusions is a subjective act. Hence this entire debate. Your conclusions are different from mine.No, it's not. It's drawing conclusions from observations of the scene and providing possibilities that could fit into it.
You love pulling "possible" out as a defense against everything here. It's possible that Wedge has a HUGE crush on Cloud, you're right. But I doubt it. Because I'm not convinced by any of the same objective evidence that's been laid out so far.Because they largely won't acknowledge its possibility in spite of their disagreement, and in many cases can't seem to resist being snarky about it. What's possible isn't necessarily untrue, either.
That is not all you're saying though, and that's the problem. You're saying that it's possible, and that everyone had best agree with you that's damn near certain, or else they're dismissing your innocent musings out of hand.
You didn't say it's possible that Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie fought and died on the pillar to atone for their sins. You said that that is why they did so, when nothing supports that claim. You can come up with things that might make that be the case, but when other people come up with things that suggest it might not be, that does not count as them dismissing your wishes out of hand. It's just disagreeing.
That would still mean Cloud only knew them for about three days. He didn't know them before that and nothing suggests that he did. The timeline says he was in a geographically similar location to them, but that means nothing. What probably means something, is that none of them know anything about him when they're in the mission.
Some random edits the wiki,and whatever they put in there is possible, evidence be damned.
If it's not established fact, it's headcanon. Drawing conclusions is a subjective act. Hence this entire debate. Your conclusions are different from mine.
You love pulling "possible" out as a defense against everything here. It's possible that Wedge has a HUGE crush on Cloud, you're right. But I doubt it. Because I'm not convinced by any of the same objective evidence that's been laid out so far.
Jesus, has everyone played BC? I was under the impression that it was only in Japan, in Japanese, and on Japanese phones.
I understand the difficulty of trying to have a civil discussion with someone who absolutely refuses to hold to the same standard. If I find myself getting heated in a discussion, I typically walk away until I can clear my head. Maybe you should consider this, just as a gentle suggestion.The more I'm argued with and debated, the more defensive I get. So please back off.
I have just been looking at the original, yeah.
If we look at the Compilation, it's perfectly clear that if the Turks left, Shinra would never be able to find them. Shinra never found Lazard, Veldt, the other dozen Turks that already left, they only managed to get a hold of Hollander because the man was actively making war of Shinra, when he wasn't actively doing anything, he was fine for years on end. The resources that took Wutai, Hollander, Genesis and the original AVALANCHE down are no longer available to the Shinra of FFVII. If someone quit that they didn't want to, the best hope of tracking them down is the Turks, like they did, when Hojo quit, if the Turks themselves left, Shinra would be pretty screwed. The Turks would get plenty of help going into hiding from all their other Turks friends already in hiding.
Taking the original by itself, one could claim that if Shinra did manage to track their investigative department down, without an investigative department to do this for them, they'd have to submit to the superior force of SOLDIERs still under Shinras command. In the Compilation that's just not a plausible explanation. Unless Reno knows about Deepground and Weiss and Nero's appearance at the end of CC demonstrated a willingness from Shinra Inc. to start actually using them.
Actually, Shinra did find Veld without the Turks' help. They also found Genesis. And Zack. And Lazard, although he fought them off and then died. The Shinra army is not incompetent.
Shinra wasn't looking for the missing Turks because everyone thought they were dead. If the 'surviving' Turks went awol, the Shinra army would leave no stone unturned looking for them, and if the 'dead' Turks tried to help them, that would just create a trail leading to the 'dead' Turks' hiding places.
In any case, though, the surviving Turks couldn't leave, because they owed a debt of honour to Rufus (if you take BC as canon). Without his help, they would all have been killed, including Veld.