SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

Graymouse

Pro Adventurer
You mean people actually argued for that? Even without ToTP, what gave them that impression? Aerith's age?
No offense, but between Tifa and Aerith, it's no contest who's more mature. Which isn't to say Aerith is childish, but she also sure as hell isn't mature most of the time.

Yeah, Aerith is and has always been way too bubbly for my taste. I kinda wished they would have toned her down a few notches in Rebirth. In my opinion it is so cringe and I have second hand embarrassment just watching some of the scenes.
 

faefolk

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Yeah, Aerith is and has always been way too bubbly for my taste. I kinda wished they would have toned her down a few notches in Rebirth. In my opinion it is so cringe and I have second hand embarrassment just watching some of the scenes.
Yeah I knew someone like her irl and it was honestly exhausting. She used to do the thing where she would tug at boys arms to ask them to get her stuff or go with her somewhere in like a whiny high pitched voice too and omg it was just mortifying to watch. People find Aerith endearing on screen but I swear to god that 95% of people would find her completely exhausting if she existed irl. Out of every character in the main party - she is for sure the one I would want to hang out with the least lmao.
 

Empyrea

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Yeah I knew someone like her irl and it was honestly exhausting. She used to do the thing where she would tug at boys arms to ask them to get her stuff or go with her somewhere in like a whiny high pitched voice too and omg it was just mortifying to watch. People find Aerith endearing on screen but I swear to god that 95% of people would find her completely exhausting if she existed irl. Out of every character in the main party - she is for sure the one I would want to hang out with the least lmao.
The socially awkward part of me really wouldn't want to deal with someone like Aerith ^^; I would only find it incredibly stressful. Honestly, I salute Cloud for humoring her (and I say that cause I find Cloud's social awkwardness really relatable).
 

BoxFBall

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Yeah about that.. this is where we are currently at with that.

It was a kiss out of jealousy because he was jealous of Aeriths feelinfs for Zack
It was a rebound kiss
It was a pity kiss
It was a friendly kiss
Cloud didn’t want to do it look at his face
It was just fanservice by the devs
Doesn’t matter It’s optional
Doesn’t matter he interlaces fingers with Aerith
Doesn’t matter because of the Ending
The scene is not referenced in the credits so it’s not canon

Therr’s also more, pick your poison.
Don't matter if it's optional, fan service, or whatever reason. Cloud aint ever kissed nobody, not even his own damn mama(who happens to be in the story too). Anyone arguing it at this point is completely unhinged.
 

luminous03

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Yeah about that, i
- the credits one is the most ridiculous claim hahahahaha
Saw people claiming that even if you pick yuffie or tifa it's still aerith that shows in credits and since everyone that aerith's date is the canon, is that true ? 'Cause i don't have the game
 

faefolk

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The socially awkward part of me really wouldn't want to deal with someone like Aerith ^^; I would only find it incredibly stressful. Honestly, I salute Cloud for humoring her (and I say that cause I find Cloud's social awkwardness really relatable).
I can deal with people like that sometimes but not all the time. And this particular person was a work colleague I worked with every single day in a very social setting and I was always polite and not on bad terms or anything - but heck it was draining. Like massively. And some of the behaviour was borderline inappropriate with how immature and touchy-feely it was. I know none of my male colleagues liked her.
 

faefolk

Pro Adventurer
It is! I was there for the Naruto shipping wars, and I don't recall anyone arguing using manga covers or the anime's song credits xD
I dunno man. I was and still am here for SasuNaru (never did get the Hinata and Sakura thing at all lol) and that one cover of Sasuke and Naruto's chests and lower face where they have heart shaped necklaces with each other's faces on them was so homoerotic. I'm so convinced Kishimoto knew what he was doing lmao... playin' with my feelings like that 😂
 

AncientGrimoire

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Grim
Not the first one, they claim this on Remake credit too that shows only Aerith's resolution

All the resolutions canonically took place anyway so that argument doesn’t hold mustard

Again I’m going to reiterate my firm belief that all the gold saucer dates will have canonically taken place in the story. Far too much of the key important character development moments take place on the Skywheel with ALL the characters.

Optional or not, there’s no way the developers will have done those scenes for all the characters just as an act of fan service. Key plot points are discussed and confirmed, key character moments reach their natural conclusion having been built up through the game. And this is for everyone, not just Aerith. To write off Tifa’s date as optional fan service is to write off all the others as well by that same argument. That’s my biggest issue frankly, that everyone else doesn’t matter in the story they see, because the story of Final Fantasy VII is ONLY Cloud and Aerith to them, at the expense of literally everything else.

If a scene contradicts their ship, it isn’t canon. Or they’ll misinterpret it to suit their conclusions. But if a single ever so slight implication takes place in any such scene, like Claudia’s saying to Cloud about finding a mature girl, then it goes in the evidence folder.

More to the point with the other gold saucer dates, each and every single one displays Cloud’s character growth. Not just Aerith’s. It’s not a one and done thing, so I’m positive all of them will have an impact for the characters going forward into part 3.
 

thetriplerhyme

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Yeah about that, i

Saw people claiming that even if you pick yuffie or tifa it's still aerith that shows in credits and since everyone that aerith's date is the canon, is that true ? 'Cause i don't have the game

I know the particular scene they're showing is the one she sings in Gold Saucer I'm still yet to finished the game but i think this is in reference to Loren Allred for No Promises to Keep.

or this is just Hamaguchi and his favorites. -----_-
 

faefolk

Pro Adventurer
Yeah about that, i

Saw people claiming that even if you pick yuffie or tifa it's still aerith that shows in credits and since everyone that aerith's date is the canon, is that true ? 'Cause i don't have the game
Okay so I've just watched the end credits. It shows the
almost kiss with Tifa in Gongaga and Cloud putting his arm around Tifa in Nibelheim. At both bits showcasing the Gold Saucer dates (the one where SW is closed and the one it's opened) and it shows no canon date. It does show Aerith as Rosa - which makes sense because she's Rosa on all dates bar Yuffie and Tifas. But no Skywheel dates at all.
 

thetriplerhyme

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It is! I was there for the Naruto shipping wars, and I don't recall anyone arguing using manga covers or the anime's song credits xD
and that my friend is only for Final Fantasy VII and Hamaguchi said he's looking for "healthy debate" on everyone. Are you serious???
 

thetriplerhyme

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Okay so I've just watched the end credits. It shows the
almost kiss with Tifa in Gongaga and Cloud putting his arm around Tifa in Nibelheim. At both bits showcasing the Gold Saucer dates (the one where SW is closed and the one it's opened) and it shows no canon date. It does show Aerith as Rosa - which makes sense because she's Rosa on all dates bar Yuffie and Tifas. But no Skywheel dates at all.

- nooo Tifa can be Rosa with proper choices. Its nice on how he turns her.
 

Graymouse

Pro Adventurer
Okay so I've just watched the end credits. It shows the
almost kiss with Tifa in Gongaga and Cloud putting his arm around Tifa in Nibelheim. At both bits showcasing the Gold Saucer dates (the one where SW is closed and the one it's opened) and it shows no canon date. It does show Aerith as Rosa - which makes sense because she's Rosa on all dates bar Yuffie and Tifas. But no Skywheel dates at all.

What I can't wrap my head around is the fact that something is suddenly "canon" because it is in the end credits. I am being quite frank here when I ask, how would one come to that conclusion?
 

thetriplerhyme

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If that's the case the only way to dead fhis argument SE gonna have to give us a Cloud X Tifa Under The Highwond X rated movie spin off ala AC to give us the graphic details of what happens. Including the cheesy porno music and all.

oooh believe me it wont because they wrote ACC with a bit of ambigious take at first. Just like how they're not looking into facts.. we're gonna return to the necromancer romance they claim. Seriously...

Zerith is different tune though because they both have history and connection - Crisis Core established that.

CA is.. umm.. you know..
 

faefolk

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What I can't wrap my head around is the fact that something is suddenly "canon" because it is in the end credits. I am being quite frank here when I ask, how would one come to that conclusion?
That's not my conclusion haha I was just wondering what was actually in them after reading that's an argument. And yeah I don't know how they talk their way out of Tifa being connected to Cloud in any way haha.
 

Empyrea

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I dunno man. I was and still am here for SasuNaru (never did get the Hinata and Sakura thing at all lol) and that one cover of Sasuke and Naruto's chests and lower face where they have heart shaped necklaces with each other's faces on them was so homoerotic. I'm so convinced Kishimoto knew what he was doing lmao... playin' with my feelings like that 😂
You and my sister would get along well ;)
I like Naruto and Hinata's dynamic, personally. But I do get the biggest problem with them is Hinata's woeful lack of screentime (and the author just being terrible with writing his female characters more than half the time). Hinata is also not all that fleshed out as a character despite having a lot there to work with.

What I can't wrap my head around is the fact that something is suddenly "canon" because it is in the end credits. I am being quite frank here when I ask, how would one come to that conclusion?
I think that deep down, they know that's all they have.
I can't think of any logical reason to use the credits, of all things, as proof of canon.
 

Hix

Pro Adventurer
What I can't wrap my head around is the fact that something is suddenly "cannon" because it is in the end credits. I am being quite frank here when I ask, how would one come to that conclusion?

The people who came to this conclusion did so because it fits their narrative. Had the shoe been on the other foot they would be deriding anyone seriously suggesting an end credits highlight reel, showing various clips from the game, is actually the devs secretly showing what is canon and what isn't.

The thing is, Aerith dies, Cloud ends up with Tifa, the Lifestream/Highwind scenes are coming in part 3, they already go way further at this stage of the story than in OG. Trying to argue the Gold Saucer CT kiss is non-canon doesn't change a thing. It's just another tired attempt at delegitimising the characters of Cloud and Tifa (and in the process, Aerith herself) and the relationship which is central to both.

On that note, have y'all ever noticed how Cleriths spend their entire time jumping through hoops to try and show Cloud doesn't love Tifa? It's by design. Before they can even start to prove CA, they have to disprove CT - while Clotis just sit back and enjoy the story, knowing it speaks for itself.
 

faefolk

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You and my sister would get along well ;)
I like Naruto and Hinata's dynamic, personally. But I do get the biggest problem with them is Hinata's woeful lack of screentime (and the author just being terrible with writing his female characters more than half the time). Hinata is also not all that fleshed out as a character despite having a lot there to work with.
Obviously she has good taste haha.

And yeah that was my issue with Hinata. She's just really badly written and their romance seemed like an afterthought. Tbh though I can get more behind them as a pair than Sasuke and Sakura. That's just... I cannot compute how that came about.

But yeah Naruto is forever a BL shounen in my brain - even though I know it's not a real thing.

It's important to know when your ship has sunk irl and just let it be a headcanon.... totally not directing that at any particular group - definitely not the one who wants a certain blonde haired dude to hump a flower patch in an abandoned church whilst crying (like that dude in Saltburn) and never being happy again. Q_Q
 

Graymouse

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That's not my conclusion haha I was just wondering what was actually in them after reading that's an argument. And yeah I don't know how they talk their way out of Tifa being connected to Cloud in any way haha.

Opps, I wasn't directing the question at you, I was just speaking in general terms. Sorry for the confusion. :lol:
 
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