SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[thetriplerhyme]

Sadly, I can sort of understand the backlash. I personally think Aerith is just really, really flirtatious and is just trying to gauge her feelings for Cloud. But honestly, that's kinda Remake's fault, I think. While it's possibly not the intended read, it can definitely come off as a bad thing because Remake implied she knew. Ask anyone with no context of FF7 and most of them would probably say they'd sooner drop her than try to understand why she's flirting with a guy she knows her friend is interested in.

In the social circles I've been in, that type of thing is considered underhanded.

- and one most recent one i can't seemed to deny anymore is her take on jessie's that's.. just off..

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[faefolk]

- and one most recent one i can't seemed to deny anymore is her take on jessie's that's.. just off..


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Man... This is one of the scenes that really made me angry too I'm not gonna lie. I actually liked Aerith in CC and Remake but I have not enjoyed her much at all in Rebirth. This was so tactless. It could have been a good moment to build some actual emotional connection between these two and it didn't. She's just yammering on about romance again. It's bleh.

 

[Legend45]

- and one most recent one i can't seemed to deny anymore is her take on jessie's that's.. just off..


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Oh I actually saw this tweet I don't know if SENA mistranslated it but Aerith's dialogue came off as tone deaf. Cloud literally told her she's dead and the first thing she thinks of is if Jesse has feelings for him and he never found out it just comes off as very uncomfortable? Now we know Aerith can sense spirits and she probably knows her feelings but still it's clear Cloud needed comfort in that momment rather than whatever that was.

 

[Empyrea]

Takes like that always seem to come from “non shippers”. And I think generally, they’re being dishonest about not being shippers lol

I've always taken it as a given that these "non-shippers" are being dishonest, as you said here x3

They care too much about a topic their label suggests that they shouldn't. The actual non-shippers I met never once talked about the LTD (or any of the nuances of the story beats, really) and would often just ask if I found this really rare item (the KoTR summon and the Master Materia in OG) and beat Ruby and Emerald weapons, along with what materia set-up and at what level.

 

[shady]

I mean the Loveless play really has very little variation between Aerith, Tifa, or Yuffie as Princess Rosa

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All three get the “near kiss” moment, as far as I’m aware so, plus it’s nature as a virtual reality simulation, I really don’t think the Loveless play is the strong evidence for anyone that some think it is, the actual dates on the Skywheel on the other hand

The only big difference i’m aware of is

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Cloud will stand on the side with Tifa and hold her hand whilst Aerith is singing. That and when Cloud spins Rosa, he’s a bit more “aggressive” with Tifa, spinning her quicker and touching her a little more.

The hand holding is an exact replica of the hand holding in The Greatest Showman, scene for scene, which is what the whole sequence is based off of (same singer and everything)

 

[r_monk]

Slightly off topic but I’m at the part where

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Tifa and Aerith go on a date at Costa. You can switch back and forth between who you want to control. One of the times when you switch from Aerith to Tifa, Aerith will say: “Guide me, O Tifa” and Tifa will respond “Come, my child.” And it’s hilarious and wonderful.

Also interesting that this time between Aerith and Tifa is referred to as a date as well. Maybe they should’ve replaced the word “date” with “outing” for all these little things. I think Aerith just calls everything a date lol

Lol, that's fitting for the Aerith in my head. Girl's gonna flirt; she not a player, but she crushes a lot.

I also think it was some cute, wink-wink fanservice to Aerith x Tifa shippers. Square seems to be aware (lol I made a poem) of all the shipping happening around FFVII and aren't afraid to have some fun with it. Which I really appreciate! I'm a lifelong Cloti shipper, but in the actual fandom, I love Aerti even though I know it's purely theoretical.

 

[Empyrea]

- and one most recent one i can't seemed to deny anymore is her take on jessie's that's.. just off..

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Yeeeeeaaaah. I still have no idea how to square with that, either. It really just reminded me of what I didn't like about OG Aerith. Having flaws is one thing, but the insensitivity of that is just...something.

 

[thetriplerhyme]

Yeeeeeaaaah. I still have no idea how to square with that, either. It really just reminded me of what I didn't like about OG Aerith. Having flaws is one thing, but the insensivity of that is just...something.

i heard it was probably SENA?? buut~ can't take it without grain of salt

 

[r_monk]

I'm not too far into Rebirth—just finished the Costa del Sol main story quest. Really enjoying it so far, and shipping aside, I really appreciate how far Cloud has come in terms of being emotionally expressive with all his friends. Never thought I'd see this level of emotional intelligence and intuition from our leading guy, but here we are. This sort of characterization and depth of interaction actually makes things weirdly easier to understand in terms of shipping; he's thoughtful towards everyone, so you have to pay more attention to discern the line between platonic and romantic.

 

[Empyrea]

i heard it was probably SENA?? buut~ can't take it without grain of salt

Well, with any luck, they'll probably patch that out with a hopefully more tone-appropriate approach at lightening the mood from Aerith (at least I think that's what she was trying to do).

 

[GamerSkull]

- and one most recent one i can't seemed to deny anymore is her take on jessie's that's.. just off..

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Reminds me of something that I often found uncomfortable in the OG. I always never take Tifa to the Temple of the Ancients… because I find it ick that Aerith asks Cait Sith how compatible she is with Cloud with Tifa right there if you bring her along. The scene works better if she’s not in the party at that moment.

 

[Legend45]

Reminds me of something that I often found uncomfortable in the OG. I always never take Tifa to the Temple of the Ancients… because I find it ick that Aerith asks Cait Sith how compatible she is with Cloud with Tifa right there if you bring her along. The scene works better if she’s not in the party at that moment.

God please tell me that scene is not still in Rebirth because I dispise it.

 

[thetriplerhyme]

God please tell me that scene is not still in Rebirth because I dispise it.

the CA prediction~ I'm praying in all energy in the world pleeeeaasse have that remove!!!!!

 

[faefolk]

the CA prediction~ I'm praying in all energy in the world pleeeeaasse have that remove!!!!!

Not that I've seen. There is a vague fortune about Cloud 'losing what he cherishes most' but that is after two totally random and pointless fortunes. I assume it's a commentary on how we were never meant to take CS's fortunes seriously lmao.

 

[Empyrea]

I assume it's a commentary on how we were never meant to take CS's fortunes seriously lmao.

I still don't get why people took it seriously in the first place, honestly. That's about the flimsiest thing to use as evidence for anything (I mean, I'd argue it didn't work all that well in ATLA, as an example, even if it did come to pass).

 

[shady]

I'm not too far into Rebirth—just finished the Costa del Sol main story quest. Really enjoying it so far, and shipping aside, I really appreciate how far Cloud has come in terms of being emotionally expressive with all his friends. Never thought I'd see this level of emotional intelligence and intuition from our leading guy, but here we are. This sort of characterization and depth of interaction actually makes things weirdly easier to understand in terms of shipping; he's thoughtful towards everyone, so you have to pay more attention to discern the line between platonic and romantic.

Reminds me of when Cloud's voice actor got into it when a few Cloud and Aerith people who were annoyed when he posted a meme about the TIFAAAAA scene in the trailer. Cloud is allowed to, and should have, great moments with everyone.

God please tell me that scene is not still in Rebirth because I dispise it.

the CA prediction~ I'm praying in all energy in the world pleeeeaasse have that remove!!!!!

As far as I know the only fortune is the "You will lose what you cherish most" (paraphrasing slightly) as faefolk mentioned above, no Cloud and Aerith are super compatible fortune or whatever that was I believe, forgotten what it said in the OG now.

 

[Ruri]

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So much winding up between shippers about the optional kiss. You know what isn't optional? No kiss for Aerith. That's actually significant. This game was the chance most would argue. Also while the smear campaign against the kiss is happening, the Gongaga almost kiss is flying under the radar. How is Cloud and Tifa end up alone a few times and they just gravitate to one another. You could cut that tension with a knife. I look forward to no misinterprations about that one as Yuffie calls it out for what it is.

 

[GamerSkull]

I still don't get why people took it seriously in the first place, honestly. That's about the flimsiest thing to use as evidence for anything (I mean, I'd argue it didn't work all that well in ATLA, as an example, even if it did come to pass).

Well, it does serve a purpose.

I actually don’t have an issue with it because it’s supposed to be ironic. The fortune is there to set up the tragedy that is going to occur soon.

It’s ironic because it’s completely wrong. So if CA don’t have a bright future like Cait Sith says than even “poor Tifa” should be taken in reverse as well.

The problem is, people that use it as CA evidence completely miss the irony of the scene.

My only issue with it is that it just comes across as mean-spirited if Tifa is in the party. So I never bring her along.

 

[thetriplerhyme]

Well, it does serve a purpose.

I actually don’t have an issue with it because it’s supposed to be ironic. The fortune is there to set up the tragedy that is going to occur soon.

It’s ironic because it’s completely wrong. So if CA don’t have a bright future like Cait Sith says than even “poor Tifa” should be taken in reverse as well.

The problem is, people that use it as CA evidence completely miss the irony of the scene.

My only issue with it is that it just comes across as mean-spirited if Tifa is in the party. So I never bring her along.

I agree in OG purpose of it soo shippers will root for them saying 'see they're meant to be~ while Tifa's in the background' and point of this is soo devs will destroy all that through her death and protagonist and not what it seems and the "lady in the background - TIFA' in the internal heroine.

That is specifically highlight soo her death will definitely hurt - i dont think the focus in REBIRTH in the emotional part of her death.. but rather just part of it.

 

[thetriplerhyme]

I actually don’t have an issue with it because it’s supposed to be ironic. The fortune is there to set up the tragedy that is going to occur soon.

- its an ominious warning in my eyes.. even in games there's NOOO WAY you're gonna say THEY'RE PERFECT FOR EACH AND HAVE BRIGHT FUTURE. Even back then i knew something is bout to happened.

And of course are you gonna believe in robot's shinra spy?? are you serious??

 

[Empyrea]

Well, it does serve a purpose.

I actually don’t have an issue with it because it’s supposed to be ironic. The fortune is there to set up the tragedy that is going to occur soon.

It’s ironic because it’s completely wrong. So if CA don’t have a bright future like Cait Sith says than even “poor Tifa” should be taken in reverse as well.

The problem is, people that use it as CA evidence completely miss the irony of the scene.

My only issue with it is that it just comes across as mean-spirited if Tifa is in the party. So I never bring her along.

Ah, that definitely is a thing it did in hindsight. At the moment, I just saw it as a gigantic warning flag. I dunno, it came off as a Tempting Fate moment to me xP

But yeah, I also never brought Tifa along for that one. Red was always my go-to as my third member in OG for that one.

 

[eleamaya]

I think Aerith just calls everything a date lol

I've mentioned it in previous post
Even with Zack in Crisis Core, what Zack doesnt consider a date is a date for Aerith.

God please tell me that scene is not still in Rebirth because I despise it.

the CA prediction~ I'm praying in all energy in the world pleeeeaasse have that remove!!!!!

This doesnt exist, Cait Sith just come in a rush to sacrifice himself and everyone run to escape.

 

[r_monk]

I'm on the costa del sol date with Aerith and.... wow. Cloud is either really dense or just very much not flirty with her. Like, yas, girl, go on and give us nothing... lol

 

[starcape91]

I'm on the costa del sol date with Aerith and.... wow. Cloud is either really dense or just very much not flirty with her. Like, yas, girl, go on and give us nothing... lol

I just finished it and was literally writing up my thoughts when you posted, haha.

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I just did the sidequest where you go on a "date" with Aerith in Costa del Sol - this is after the main questline is done in this location. Aerith is teasing Cloud relentlessly and trying to get him to say something romantic, and Cloud just...can't take the hint. He is completely oblivious. He's not rude like he was in Remake, so he's grown some which is good, but it seriously seems like the type of stuff that would add up in Aerith's head, slowly, that they're not particularly compatible - at least not in terms of "regular couple stuff". He shuts down a lot of banter, not maliciously, but just out of total cluelessness. I definitely see now how people were saying she's trying to figure out her feelings about Cloud during this game. When you combine these things + the church scene, it sounds like she realizes that while she does care about him a lot, he's no Zack. If that's the case (and I haven't seen all of their sidequests yet, I'm sure) then maybe these "dates" are a good way of showing this instead of waiting until Zack pops up and she's like "Oh, I actually love Zack more. kbai Cloud." It could also help contribute killing the angle that Cloud and Aerith would've been perfect had she not died.

I think Aerith would've had an awesome time with Zack here though. I'd love to see them feed off of each other's energy and enthusiasm. Anyway, I'd be interested to see if it's like this in the original Japanese. It's actually pretty humorous.

 

[r_monk]

Could someone summarize or describe Aerith and Zack's dynamic from Crisis Core? It's been a million years since I played, so I hardly remember anything about how their relationship develops. It's clear Zack is on her mind in Rebirth but I feel like I'm missing a lot of context, especially in contrast to her dynamic with Cloud.