SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Stiggie]

I think this specific dichotomy sort of makes sense, especially depending on which specific canon materials you consume...my partner has never played the OG and only watched AC, so they really didn't like Cloud. Also, this is obviously part of the rug-pull, but I can understand being more attracted to SOLDIER!Cloud over real!Cloud as a matter of preference.



Yeah, it looks like some sort of Cetran glaive-rifle lol.



I do like this because it gives Tifa a bit more of a proactive approach to helping comatose Cloud compared to just sitting at his bedside (or wheelchair-side, whatever).

The image of tifa taking care of a comatose Cloud is for me the most viscerally powerful image in ffvii so can't relate. Infact, I kinda don't like seeing it played out on a smaller scale in rebirth. I always think back of a video I know where a policeman was shot in the head and was in a wheelchair unable to eat or speak or move or even think. The image of his young wife taking care of him despite him essentially being long gone, her devoting her life to caring for him simply because that's is/was the man she loves was so powerful to me that I never forgot it. I always think about it when I see tifa make the decision to stay with cloud despite not knowing if he'll ever wake up, despite the planet ending. Is just such a powerful display of love that I want to change nothing about it. I just want them to make it as shockingly impact full as possible

 

[GamerSkull]

The image of tifa taking care of a comatose Cloud is for me the most viscerally powerful image in ffvii so can't relate. Infact, I kinda don't like seeing it played out on a smaller scale in rebirth. I always think back of a video I know where a policeman was shot in the head and was in a wheelchair unable to eat or speak or move or even think. The image of his young wife taking care of him despite him essentially being long gone, her devoting her life to caring for him simply because that's is/was the man she loves was so powerful to me that I never forgot it. I always think about it when I see tifa make the decision to stay with cloud despite not knowing if he'll ever wake up, despite the planet ending. Is just such a powerful display of love that I want to change nothing about it. I just want them to make it as shockingly impact full as possible

I think the best middle-ground is for her to go after the doctor in Corel, then when they arrive in Mideel and Dr. Sheiran (I think that’s his name) says he’s gonna have to run tests on Cloud and it might take some time… at that point she can decide to stay. And when asked, she can she only cares about Cloud, etc so she wants to be there to help even if the world is ending.

Or it can be kept as is, and Cid can bring the doctor to Mideel after they save the town from the rampaging train.

 

[Hellenic]

I just don't understand this because I definitely need to love both characters to ship haha. I only started to ship CT in the Lifestream sequence personally.

I don't get it either to be honest. Why would anyone be so invested in a ship if they don't enjoy both characters in the first place? I'm a sucker for childhood friends to lovers stuff, so i just went with CT even before we got any of the revelations. Those things just sealed the deal even further for me.

IMHO, what will kill a lot of CA argument is not CT, it's ZA. Because CA is a lot about Aerith and if Aerith herself choses Zack, then a lot of theories are going down. Aerith has had a tragic story in the OG, so I think it's what made CA shippers who were from then very attached to her specifically, because they wanted her to be happy. And the Remake trilogy is showing that Aerith's happiness definitely lies with Zack, so we're going to see that in p3. CA will become fanon officially and it'll be the best for everyone.

This is exactly why i want to see some clear stuff from Aerith towards Zack, like her engaging in a kiss with him or anything really. Just something to make Aerith clearly show she loves Zack. Cleriths can always make up stuff about Cloud towards Aerith, but i don't think they would be able to jump around hoops if Aerith herself makes things very clear.

About Dr Sheiran, my hypothesis is that he will get Cloud's blood and realise that he's not degenerating like other SOLDIERs. Because they have to explain that to new players, since it's a lore that's a bit hidden in the Compilation and I've seen players wondering about that. So yeah Dr Sheiran I feel will come to Mideel to help Cloud. The Dr there will send him either a message either us to Corel to go get him (which will lead to the magnus materia from Corel plot point to be developped and for Barret to finally be looked as the hero he became in his hometown) and he'd come to Corel like this. But I'm more betting towards the second option, with us going to search for the Dr Sheiran in Corel because it is so satisfying, plot-wise, to have those elements aligned.

Sheiran is getting his blood one way or another, that's for sure. They wouldn't tease the idea otherwise. I like the idea you propose here with the Magnus materia tie in neatly too.

 

[Eerie]

Once Tifa sees Cloud in Mideel, it's the end, she'll stay with him. There's no turning back from there because that scene is her finally putting her own wishes before the others'. It's part of her own arc to learn that, to not be a people's pleaser.

 

[nars305]

I always think about it when I see tifa make the decision to stay with cloud despite not knowing if he'll ever wake up, despite the planet ending. Is just such a powerful display of love that I want to change nothing about it. I just want them to make it as shockingly impact full as possible

I think about the potential of this scene a lot. I mean I found it pretty emotional watching it in OG. I’ll say it over and over I LOVE how much expression and emotion they put into the characters face so I can just see this scene being so powerful. Especially when she says it’s too cruel. I can’t wait…

 

[Hellenic]

The image of tifa taking care of a comatose Cloud is for me the most viscerally powerful image in ffvii so can't relate. Infact, I kinda don't like seeing it played out on a smaller scale in rebirth. I always think back of a video I know where a policeman was shot in the head and was in a wheelchair unable to eat or speak or move or even think. The image of his young wife taking care of him despite him essentially being long gone, her devoting her life to caring for him simply because that's is/was the man she loves was so powerful to me that I never forgot it. I always think about it when I see tifa make the decision to stay with cloud despite not knowing if he'll ever wake up, despite the planet ending. Is just such a powerful display of love that I want to change nothing about it. I just want them to make it as shockingly impact full as possible

This scene remade will probably break me. I already got emotional just thinking about it again .

 

[nars305]

They also leave out that Zack’s sword, which definitely symbolizes him because it’s used as his grave marker, is memorialized in Aerith’s church.

“Their place.”

Speaking of “their place” I found it strange in Cloud and Aerith’s date that Cloud says “Our Spot” in the dream date. I didn’t really interpret that as their spot, and I didn’t know if I should factor in that Cloud took a guess. I know Zack fell there first, and they hung out in the church a lot. So I don’t really know what to think of that. Based on every thing they say, I also didn’t know why Aerith was like yup, this is our spot.

Which brings me to another thought…

I really question how people see their last date as extremely romantic. It is “Cloud and Aerith go on a date at the end, confess their love to each other, and it’s not optional”

So I’m wondering, because if I try to think about it without my bias I still can’t see it. Can this date really be viewed as romantic?

 

[Yoru]

Speaking of “their place” I found it strange in Cloud and Aerith’s date that Cloud says “Our Spot” in the dream date. I didn’t really interpret that as their spot, and I didn’t know if I should factor in that Cloud took a guess. I know Zack fell there first, and they hung out in the church a lot. So I don’t really know what to think of that. Based on every thing they say, I also didn’t know why Aerith was like yup, this is our spot.

I know people are pissed with this argument but if I remember correctly, she doesn't say this in japanese. She's just telling Cloud to go to HER favorite spot.

 

[GamerSkull]

Speaking of “their place” I found it strange in Cloud and Aerith’s date that Cloud says “Our Spot” in the dream date. I didn’t really interpret that as their spot, and I didn’t know if I should factor in that Cloud took a guess. I know Zack fell there first, and they hung out in the church a lot. So I don’t really know what to think of that. Based on every thing they say, I also didn’t know why Aerith was like yup, this is our spot.

Which brings me to another thought…

I really question how people see their last date as extremely romantic. It is “Cloud and Aerith go on a date at the end, confess their love to each other, and it’s not optional”

So I’m wondering, because if I try to think about it without my bias I still can’t see it. Can this date really be viewed as romantic?

I don’t find it so. But perhaps that is my bias speaking.

However, Cloud not being able to ever choose his gifts to Aerith, NPCs saying that it looks more like a funeral, and Aerith’s final words, all while the entire sequence is intercut with a bunch of Zack scenes… make it really hard for me to view it as romantic. In fact, it makes me feel like the devs are trying to subliminally tell me something.

 

[nars305]

I know people are pissed with this argument but actually she doesn't say this in japanese. She's just telling Cloud to go to HER favorite spot.

I’m really beginning to understand why people mention the differences now.

I don’t find it so. But perhaps that is my bias speaking.

However, Cloud not being able to ever choose his gifts to Aerith, NPCs saying that it looks more like a funeral, and Aerith’s final words, all while the entire sequence is intercut with a bunch of Zack scenes… make it really hard for me to view it as romantic. In fact, it makes me feel like the devs are trying to subliminally tell me something.

I feel the same. More than anything, it’s when she mentions the different type of likes where I was like huh. Like if it were a Tifa scene and Tifa said that I’d be like ???

Could be my bias, but I like to think that yeah I like Tifa and Cloud, but that’s because it seems like that’s where the game is heading. I wouldn’t refuse Aerith if the game pushed Aerith the same way as Tifa.

 

[Ryeleigh]

I really question how people see their last date as extremely romantic. It is “Cloud and Aerith go on a date at the end, confess their love to each other, and it’s not optional”

I thought the last date was skippable if you skip the interludes with Zack?

 

[GamerSkull]

I thought the last date was skippable if you skip the interludes with Zack?

You would still need to watch it at least once as the interludes are only skippable after you obtain chapter select. So it’s not optional, it still is technically mandatory.

I also think that even if CA fans regard and disregard certain things behind “optional” that as CT fans we should accept everything as canon and not omit even optional events. Why? Because I think even with optional and mandatory CA scenes, we are still favored for the most part.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Not like there's any getting rid of Gongaga.

 

[GamerSkull]

Not like there's any getting rid of Gongaga.

No, you don’t understand. Cloud wasn’t inching towards Tifa’s lips… Tifa was the one doing it.

Also Tifa is a bad person and treats Cloud like shit… even though she forgives him immediately after he almost killed her.

Also that scene is proof she was bad because Tifa admits she believed the village that Cloud egged her on.

Cloud subconsciously wants to kill Tifa because she was mean to him when they were kids. And Sephiroth is actually leveraging that.

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Just throwing out all the Devil’s Advocate arguments.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Yeah I'm just gonna fire my advocate if this is what they're coming up with. Fucks sake, I might as well hire Alina Habba at this rate.

 

[GamerSkull]

Yeah I'm just gonna fire my advocate if this is what they're coming up with. Fucks sake, I might as well hire Alina Habba at this rate.

Would it surprise you that I got all of these from actual people? And they are actually quite real and seriously argued?

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https://x.com/shinraarch/status/1780687677550997598?s=46

This makes me think it ain’t coming back for Part 3.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Would it surprise you that I got all of these from actual people? And they are actually quite real and seriously argued?

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It does not surprise, no. Disappoint, but not surprise.

 

[nars305]

No, you don’t understand. Cloud wasn’t inching towards Tifa’s lips… Tifa was the one doing it.

Also Tifa is a bad person and treats Cloud like shit… even though she forgives him immediately after he almost killed her.

Also that scene is proof she was bad because Tifa admits she believed the village that Cloud egged her on.

Cloud subconsciously wants to kill Tifa because she was mean to him when they were kids. And Sephiroth is actually leveraging that.

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Just throwing out all the Devil’s Advocate arguments.

I don’t care what anyone says, you can see it in Cloud’s eyes and the way he relaxes his *brow and looks at her lips… HE KNEW IT WAS COMING.

Plus his face at the end when Tifa smiles at him before leaving the room. Please. Ugh it was so beautiful.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yeah, they may be able to characterize him better in a remake. Especially with full voice.

Hope they port the older Dissidia games one day, otherwise I’ll never get to play them really. Not holding my breath though.

PPSSPP my friend. If they're not making it available, ways and means are entirely ethical.

No, it's not here, it's another forum for another fandom where I was friend with the admin who told me

Now I'm morbidly curious what other fandom Cali from Ohio was so nuts about to pull this shit on.

I still want a kiss there because so many people already miss that the Lifestream sequence is indeed romantic and that's why only Tifa can be there, because it's to her that he wants to confess. This is why there were so many "OMG Zack can help there, Aerith can help there!" theories, it's because people had not understood the core of the Lifestream sequence even though it has always been so evident to me.
And Akira's "Golden sparks" makes me believe that we may even get an ILY there:

To me this part strongly refers to the in between NC and LS scenes so either we'll see an "I love you" from Cloud to Tifa in the Lifestream sequence, either the whole LS sequence will be an even bigger love confession (and why not both lol). I still think we'll get a kiss there, to seal the romantism and the return of true!Cloud as Cloud and Tifa will be finally reunited.

It would definitely be very direct and unambiguous, that's for sure.

I've also seen theories that they are OG Cloud and Aerith.

Why Cloud, though? It's OG versions of anyone why not Zack as the blue WEAPON, going out to do his bro a solid?

I just don't understand this because I definitely need to love both characters to ship haha. I only started to ship CT in the Lifestream sequence personally.

It's a perfectly fair time to first start seeing things, it's the prestige moment for the twist.

I will say this but I think most of the fandom understand that CT is canon. I mean they got a kiss, it's HUGE. People don't care if it didn't truly happen, the devs have shown who Cloud is willing to kiss and that's the big deal.

IMHO, what will kill a lot of CA argument is not CT, it's ZA. Because CA is a lot about Aerith and if Aerith herself choses Zack, then a lot of theories are going down. Aerith has had a tragic story in the OG, so I think it's what made CA shippers who were from then very attached to her specifically, because they wanted her to be happy. And the Remake trilogy is showing that Aerith's happiness definitely lies with Zack, so we're going to see that in p3. CA will become fanon officially and it'll be the best for everyone.

That said the most hardcore shippers will never admit defeat.

ZA makes Cleriths furious. So many of them still hate Crisis Core. So yes, Aerith explicitly stating she wants her dark haired boy back would probably deal it and the Cleriths themselves the most harm.

About Dr Sheiran, my hypothesis is that he will get Cloud's blood and realise that he's not degenerating like other SOLDIERs. Because they have to explain that to new players, since it's a lore that's a bit hidden in the Compilation and I've seen players wondering about that. So yeah Dr Sheiran I feel will come to Mideel to help Cloud. The Dr there will send him either a message either us to Corel to go get him (which will lead to the magnus materia from Corel plot point to be developped and for Barret to finally be looked as the hero he became in his hometown) and he'd come to Corel like this. But I'm more betting towards the second option, with us going to search for the Dr Sheiran in Corel because it is so satisfying, plot-wise, to have those elements aligned.

Yeah, they set that particular gun on the mantle for a reason and we are headed into the third act.

I can't speak on folks like BB or Cali, but I remember talking to some Cleriths at a job I had back in TX who fit this transference theory to a T. Was weird to experience in an offline setting.

I'll bet. It's fascinating to explore that with someone in person and real time, though, dig into the wherefores of their reasons and all that.

Someone should explain to them that self inserting (in addition to being ripe fruit for dirty jokes) is what Mary Sue fanfic is for. Keep it there and outside of the debate threads, we'd be fine.

But Mary Sue is a bad word to say nowadays because it's demeaning to women. Nevermind a woman came up with the term and there's Gary Stu's as well.

I'm having trouble placing it but it triggers a vague memory of a similar staff/energy rifle thing from some sci-fi or other. Part of me wants to say Eldar of 40k, but that might've been something custom outta some gitz bitz box or something. Still, I can see it

It's a bit Eldar, a bit Goa'uld, yeah.

JCVH, I remember that string of dupe bans. I swear to you all, if forum posting permitted it like live conversation, some of those posts would have been cut off mid sentence.

I actually banned a couple she registered before any posts were made. I'd log in, do a search for her IP, and pre-emptively ban any new accounts that were created with it.

Why not, it never gets old.

So you see, Denzel is 8 years old as of Final Fantasy Advent Children. You know what else is 8 years before final fantasy advent children? Cloud leaving town to try and join SOLDIER. And what happened a few months BEFORE Cloud leavintg town? The water tower confession...
And I'll do the rest another time. It's a simple bit, but it's good fun.

And I suddenly remember why "common sense" especially when prefaced with "it's just" was a trigger for rage induced headaches back in the day. To be fair though, she must have thought it was effective when you said it, after all she used that damned phrase on everyone she spoke to and nauseum in addition to trying to throw it back at you. Pity she never figured out what it actually meant.

When I used it, I at least tried to go "Common sense would tell us X" whereas I think she always said things like "Cloud is searching for Aerith because of romance. It's just common sense." and end the thought there.

That is a good one. It's got a similar flavor to ye olde "you had the power all along" twist in a way.

It was an ordinary feather the entire time. The magic was in you all along.

Of course, Spiders tend hard towards that one too. They just tend to be funnier and more scathingly sarcastic in the process... excepting Miguel O'Hara this time All right, I still don't like Squall but I understand him a bit better now. I'd still rather hang out playing cards with Cloud than him though.

Now you got me thinking. Cloud is a Spider and Tifa is his MJ before Quesada fucked things up (seriously, let that marriage re-happen and let Pete grow into a middle aged adult. We have Miles now), Zack and Aerith are Scott and Jean. Now I want to figure out which Marvel (and DC) heroes the rest of the cast are.

Oh Ryu, I'm the Devil they know and the devil they don't. But though I am of course Pride itself, I can admit quality when I see it, I'll share credit. Just keep digging out that rent free headspace. What goes around comes around... be what's coming around

I aim to be what's coming around indeed.

It's yet another game I had to enjoy second hand, but worth it to do. Still funny that Caim and Angelus accidentally an apocalypse. Damn they were good at murder.

Did you enjoy it via DarkId's LPs? Have you heard about the... hilarious? goings on with him?

Thus proving once more that it can in fact always get worse. Somehow. When it's at rock bottom, someone will start blasting deeper.

Despite the lava seeping in still they drill.

Anyone good at stitching flags? We need this quite in fancy script on a stylized background of the sun setting under the Highwind.

We could just make a logo of it. What font would you use?

As someone who is multiple console generations behind, I'll say it is possible to know characters, story, etc very well without playing the game. Watching long plays, taking wiki walks, and so on can make it entirely doable. The one you speak of probably did none of that. It's so much easier to make up what you want and shout how true it has to be after all.

Her takes were very unusual and she couldn't back them up with any instances from the games or dev quotes, so yeah.

Never could grasp why that story was a Clerith rallying point. It really never worked out well. Do I remember BB quoting from it, and the response she got was just the same quote with "ok read it again, slower" added on? I legit don't trust my own memory but it sure as shit sounds like something that happened here.

It definitely sounds familiar, you're right.

I'm still taking the Sanchez approach and not thinking about it too hard. Slippy slidey timey wimey gets out there, I'll analyze it harder when more details come around.

Fair. My head is just built for timey wimey bullshit I suppose.

I see this so much, especially with AC and it's ending. CAs doing the whole Cloud wasn't happy with Tifa and he went to Aeriths church yada yada stuff and never acknowledging how the movie literally ends with them being happy again. Somehow only the initial setup matters to them, but not the conclusion.

Well that's because the conclusion works against their ship.

They also leave out that Zack’s sword, which definitely symbolizes him because it’s used as his grave marker, is memorialized in Aerith’s church.

“Their place.”

And her flowers, which grow in her church, now mark his grave site instead. This is basic bitch symbolism people.

No, you don’t understand. Cloud wasn’t inching towards Tifa’s lips… Tifa was the one doing it.

Also Tifa is a bad person and treats Cloud like shit… even though she forgives him immediately after he almost killed her.

Also that scene is proof she was bad because Tifa admits she believed the village that Cloud egged her on.

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Just throwing out all the Devil’s Advocate arguments.

I have the role of GLD's legal counsel. If you would like to apply for a position as an intern interviews open at the end of the school year.

But yes, I know there is all sorts of cope about Gongaga. Feels good, man.

 

[GamerSkull]

PPSSPP my friend. If they're not making it available, ways and means are entirely ethical.

Yeah, I gotta start using emulators. I always refrain because I’m either scared of legal trouble or I’m not tech-savvy enough (I’m bad with tech) to do it properly. But I should still try.

But yes, I know there is all sorts of cope about Gongaga. Feels good, man.

Yeah, in regards to both Cloud and Tifa. Even the actual sequence within the Lifestream has some romantic undertones like the longing with “Cloud, I need you.” And the angst of “Your words can no longer reach him.” These are quite obviously setups that you simply cannot ignore. They are gonna have pay offs.

And from Cloud’s side, being pretty incapacitated but immediately getting up and running to help Tifa… to his Darth Vader scream when he thinks she’s died.

You cannot ignore those. Except… by inhaling copium.

 

[nepheneethedestroyer]

The image of tifa taking care of a comatose Cloud is for me the most viscerally powerful image in ffvii so can't relate. Infact, I kinda don't like seeing it played out on a smaller scale in rebirth. I always think back of a video I know where a policeman was shot in the head and was in a wheelchair unable to eat or speak or move or even think. The image of his young wife taking care of him despite him essentially being long gone, her devoting her life to caring for him simply because that's is/was the man she loves was so powerful to me that I never forgot it. I always think about it when I see tifa make the decision to stay with cloud despite not knowing if he'll ever wake up, despite the planet ending. Is just such a powerful display of love that I want to change nothing about it. I just want them to make it as shockingly impact full as possible

I think this will still happen, and I want it to happen too (well, I want to see it, I don't want to see Tifa devastated lol) but I do think Tifa will probably actively seek out Dr. Sheiran...after he tells her that there isn't really anything he can do she'll choose to stay, though. It's a minor beat but it makes sense to me that Tifa would actively try to search for solutions first before committing to staying by his side even if it seems hopeless. Really I'm just basing this off of the fact that they explicitly introduce this new character in ToTP and Rebirth though, it's not especially relevant to Tifa or Cloud's journey.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Now I'm morbidly curious what other fandom Cali from Ohio was so nuts about to pull this shit on.

I'm with you, is it the same kind of crazy she had in this fandom? Is that how she fit even more insanity into her presumably limited noggin space?

It would definitely be very direct and unambiguous, that's for sure.

But it's player choice!!1. Ahhh classic.

Why Cloud, though? It's OG versions of anyone why not Zack as the blue WEAPON, going out to do his bro a solid?

If it were Zack I'd half expect him to breach like an attacking great white through the Forgotten Capital floor to save Aerith. Or break his WEAPON skull trying.

ZA makes Cleriths furious. So many of them still hate Crisis Core. So yes, Aerith explicitly stating she wants her dark haired boy back would probably deal it and the Cleriths themselves the most harm.

I once knew a lady in Oklahoma who truly believed Zack and Cloud were deeply romantically in love but too straight to act on it until they could put Aerith between them. Funny enough their description of this OT3 was extremely sweet, jyst hilariously non-canon.

Yeah, they set that particular gun on the mantle for a reason and we are headed into the third act.

Loaded and ready to fire. It's poor gun safety, but Rebirth shows that's not much of a problem for Tifa at least

I'll bet. It's fascinating to explore that with someone in person and real time, though, dig into the wherefores of their reasons and all that.

Ever talk to a genuine white Christian nationalist face to face? There's a similar feeling of "back away slowly" to it.

But Mary Sue is a bad word to say nowadays because it's demeaning to women. Nevermind a woman came up with the term and there's Gary Stu's as well.

Funny, I heard a similar argument not long ago from someone,what was her name? Fuck it, we'll just call her Karen For reals though, I have always used both Mary Sue and Karen in a gender neutral context so meh.

It's a bit Eldar, a bit Goa'uld, yeah.

I might posit that it leans a tiny bit more Goa'uld if anything. Though if you stuck a glowy scythe on it I'd say Necon, from one of the... "saner" dynasties.

I actually banned a couple she registered before any posts were made. I'd log in, do a search for her IP, and pre-emptively ban any new accounts that were created with it.

I remember you matter of fact informing her if the fact once or twice. Epic.

So you see, Denzel is 8 years old as of Final Fantasy Advent Children. You know what else is 8 years before final fantasy advent children? Cloud leaving town to try and join SOLDIER. And what happened a few months BEFORE Cloud leavintg town? The water tower confession...
And I'll do the rest another time. It's a simple bit, but it's good fun.

See, never gets old.

When I used it, I at least tried to go "Common sense would tell us X" whereas I think she always said things like "Cloud is searching for Aerith because of romance. It's just common sense." and end the thought there.

Exactly, she never learned what it actually means. She seemed to think it was very long punctuation

It was an ordinary feather the entire time. The magic was in you all along.

You could have gone home at any time Dorothy.

Now you got me thinking. Cloud is a Spider and Tifa is his MJ before Quesada fucked things up (seriously, let that marriage re-happen and let Pete grow into a middle aged adult. We have Miles now), Zack and Aerith are Scott and Jean. Now I want to figure out which Marvel (and DC) heroes the rest of the cast are.

Bold added by me for emphasis. Can I nominate Barrett for Ben Grimm? Big intimidating teddy bear, smarter than he lets on, takes a familial role to impressionable young hotheads with enormous raw talent (Peter Parker/Johnny Storm, Cloud/Yuffie). I can easily see him proclaiming it to be clobberin' time.

I aim to be what's coming around indeed.

There are few aspirations more worthy.

Did you enjoy it via DarkId's LPs?

Absolutely. I also took a more serious look at it later, of course, though Id was always informative enough in addition to being hilarious.

Have you heard about the... hilarious? goings on with him?

Is there news? Last I heard out of TheDarkId was the Shadowhearts 2 LP, and a lot of that was heartbreaking even as the LP was top shelf.

Despite the lava seeping in still they drill.

I just hear Trump yelling "drill baby drill" again. It's fitting... but fucked.

We could just make a logo of it. What font would you use?

I'm open to suggestions. I'm thinking something fancy enough to read as mildly condescending seems fitting.

Her takes were very unusual and she couldn't back them up with any instances from the games or dev quotes, so yeah.

Same old shit, yep.

It definitely sounds familiar, you're right.

Not senile yet! Or we both are.

Fair. My head is just built for timey wimey bullshit I suppose.

Actually this is a lie, though it is a very useful lie I'm actually pretty decent at timeline shenanigans, I just need a framework of some kind. Which set of alternate timeline tropes are we working with? Once I have that I'll think on it for reals, until then it'd feel like too much guesswork to me. And there's nothing wrong with educated guesses, I just don't feel like it, especially seeing all the vitriol that should be in this thread showing up over that instead. LTD apparently stands for Lifestream/Timeline Debate now.

Well that's because the conclusion works against their ship.

They'd burn the evidence, but then they'd have to acknowledge it.

And her flowers, which grow in her church, now mark his grave site instead. This is basic bitch symbolism people.

A good example for the interwebs that Basic =\= Bad.

I have the role of GLD's legal counsel. If you would like to apply for a position as an intern interviews open at the end of the school year.

Be aware future applicants that my role is actually punishing the wicked (tempting people to sin is a side hustle/hobby(. Ergo, you'll be working for the prosecution, not the defense

But yes, I know there is all sorts of cope about Gongaga. Feels good, man.

Someone play Tony, Toni, Tone up in here while we dance in the blood tears of our foes

Edit: Hit post too soon

 

[GamerSkull]

But it's player choice!!1. Ahhh classic.

“It’s player choice…but actually CA is canon. So it’s not player choice.”

It’s funny how they immediately go to “player choice” when seeing stuff like the gondola kiss but then still confidently say CA is canon after reading the Ultimania. Whatever happened to player choice?

Also yeah, the Rebirth spoiler thread is bonkers. I remember giving my take and providing an argument and being accused of deflecting.

Like… no, Aerith coming back to life is not the same as Gandalf coming back to life. So while it’s acceptable for the latter, it doesn’t make the former acceptable,

Not only is it a different situation entirely, but LOTR doesn’t have the same central themes as FF7 so it’s thematically different. (Sorry had to vent lol)

I’m kinda scared to see how bad the thread is now.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Last off topic for a bit, I just looked up TheDarkId hilarity and I'm torn between being angry, sad, and shrugging it off to just enjoy his classic LPs anyway.

Ffs is nothing real?

 

[Eerie]

I’m kinda scared to see how bad the thread is now

I went to check it today and wondered why it was worse than the supposedly horrible LTD thread. Like seriously if it had the same rules than here it’d be way calmer lol.