This was supposedly some comment in youtube, though it was a person in reddit mentioning it so i don't have actual proof of the comment itself, but the redditor basically said that Cloud kissed her to make her stop talking, which could be about the insecurities yeah.
i spoke with this person on a different video they wrote many long paragraphs. At first they said not here to start any shipping wars but....
hello all! i’ve been lurking since rebirth, and this is my first post, but i’m afraid i have a lot to say haha.
zack and aerith have always been my favourite characters since the original in 97, and even though they are my ultimate coupling, i was always into cloud x aerith in that game. this is because tifa was my most disliked character, and i accepted that zack was dead and that aerith could move on. however, i did also accept that, when aerith died, cloud could move on with tifa.
rebirth in particular has made me change my mind about everything completely though, and i wanted to get others’ opinions on a few things regarding this love triangle/square. is it okay to write long posts here? is there a character limit? i’ve never posted on a forum before, so i don’t want to instantly annoy everyone
Do not fear the long post, it's much preferable to spam posting to get your thoughts out.
It's some guy in youtube comments it seems, but i cropped the name on purpose so people can't go hound their ass about it. As bad as these takes are, i don't wanna point people to go after these people.
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Welp i guess abzy linked it here anyway. Check that if you're interested on who posted it.
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If they produce lists like that then not sure what they are trying to start if not wars.
Stiggie asked for it, Sorry, shoud've dm'd them.
That or some person who didn't make the list in the most rational of mind when writing it. Just some fun little takes that no one should take seriously though yeah.
). it dawned on me then that zack was back now in some sort of capacity and, as he is my favourite, i NEED him to be with aerith haha. Well, they did literally say that if it didn't come true we could laugh at em. I aint gonna hound em now, but I'm definitely bookmarking that to keep them to their word XD
So, if you're talking about the cinematic at the very end, then I don't think he actually promised her anything. Well, he did of course, but that's not quite the wording used in Japanese.
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To be honest, I tend to ignore Aerith's resolution in Remake because I felt it was too weird and out of place. Like, for the most of Remake Cloud was bristling, defensive and grumbling around Aerith (which is not to say he doesn't care, Cloud cares about everyone, particularly if the other character has shown their own vulnerabilities to him first). The game also framed Jessie/Aerith/Cloud interactions particularly in similar ways. Then after, what, a day of that Aerith drops the bomb of "Don't fall in love with me. It's not real" (paraphrased), which felt as if she was talking to the player and herself more than Cloud.
Hmm... do you mean Cloud's feelings in general or do you mean specifically romantic feelings that Cloud may or may not have for Aerith? Because if it's the former, I don't think I'd like that because Cloud is allowed to have his own feelings for Aerith. He says it himself: they're friends. If it's the latter, you need to first prove that he does, indeed, have romantic feelings for Aerith, lol.
I'm curious, though, why is Tifa your most disliked character? XD
Nojima already confirmed (several times, lol) that the song is about everyone. But even before that confirmation, I thought the song was ambiguous enough to fit ZA, CA and CT.
Well, the thing is, there are plenty of reasons why someone could consider something to be "not real". I think a lot of people take a much to scientific approach to it rather than a human one.
The question that I want answered really is whether chapter 14 remake Aerith is before or after Rebirth dream date Aerith, it seems to me after.
Oh yeah, ad nauseum XD Although the reverse is more often discussed since we have more info on it. In case of Cloud for Aerith we don't even know IF he has any romantic feelings for her, so not much to discuss. As for non-romantic feelings, I don't see why Cloud wouldn't develop those for anyone so.
Well, in Japanese it goes a little differently, although I can't quite remember what he says there XD At the very least it doesn't imply that he's gonna save him so that he can screw his girlfriend or something. Weird english translations abound.my heart broke in two when i saw that scene, not to mention the next one where he has her bow wrapped around his hand and tries to save cloud because of aerith’s feelings towards him (would’ve been funny if he picked biggs after recalling that memory though
Another bad translation, it should be "a place of memories" since, as many people have already stated. It's not "their place", they literally spent about 5 minutes there and didn't even meet there so. Meanwhile the Zack and Aerith keyart for Crisis core was specifically altered to include the church, make of that what you will.
Well, we know the song is about everyone she met during her journey, the writer already confirmed that. Also, there is again a lot of bad translation in this song that makes it way more pointed in the english version than the Japanese one (honestly I hate this song btw, I have so many complaints about it). But yeah, I do tend to think it was Zack inspired, mostly since its writing is connected to her being informed that Cloud remembers Zack. It might be about everything but her experiences in regards to Zack must have inspired it since that's literally the bulk of her growth during Rebirth. And when it comes to Cloud and/or Zack it obviously becomes a bit of a meaningless distinction because the two are very much linked both in reality through the Jenova cells, but also in Aeriths experience in that regardless of Cloud ACTUALLY being Zack she is juxtaposing the two in some way regardless and trying to sift through those emotions.
There are a lot of rumbling thoughts there so I'll try to answer some of it; basically, the LT has always been an illusion that was answered in the OG with the Lifestream scene.thank you everyone for being so welcoming! i guess this post will contain spoilers for rebirth btw.
so! when i played remake and aerith said to cloud “you can’t fall in love with me. even if you think you have, it’s not real”, i thought at the time that she was saying that because cloud was actually mistaking zack’s feelings for his own. so i ended up believing that cloud had picked up some of zack’s feelings in the same way that he picked up some of his abilities and memories. i actually thought this line also killed the love triangle straight away (i chose to ignore that when it came to dialogue choices though because i still didn’t care for tifa, and i didn’t know their plans for zack). when i read later that aerith was also partly speaking to herself, it still made sense because it seemed that, while she thought she was in love with cloud, it was actually just her feelings for zack being stirred up because of their similarities.
if aerith knew that cloud was simply just in love with tifa instead or that he had overestimated his feelings, why would she specifically say that his feelings aren’t “real” rather than that he’s just mistaken or wrong? it just feels a bit too specific. is it possible that, at this point, cloud has feelings for aerith but maybe doesn’t understand them and that this aerith from the future knows this and also knows that theyre not real because of the zack situation? we all know that zack spoke about nothing else on the way back to midgar haha (“not interested? imma tell you anyway”) so why can’t cloud pick up his feelings if he can pick up everything else?
it also makes sense with aerith wondering what kind of feelings she has for cloud at the end of rebirth. she already said in remake that they’re not real, so the end of rebirth is when she realises that, surely? to me, it seemed as though she was realising they’re not romantic when they were talking in the church. but, regardless of zack, she’s already said they’re not real, so is there really ambiguity anyway about how she feels towards cloud?
overall, i was wondering whether it could be that cloud has feelings, or thinks he does, for both tifa and aerith in remake and rebirth but that, in part three, he realises (like aerith already has) that his feelings for aerith aren’t real and are a manifestation of zack’s feelings and that he only has feelings for tifa? this could also mean that if players showed a preference towards aerith in the first two games, it still makes sense in terms of the story because cloud had those thoughts and feelings at that time, even though they were misguided? this could explain why he was jealous about aerith finding another date in the gold saucer and why barrett told him to pick one. if he only has feelings for aerith because of zack, then it also means that he can’t be accused of simply settling for tifa after aerith dies because they were never his feelings to begin with, whereas his feelings for tifa were always his own. hope i make sense haha.
has anyone discussed before whether cloud’s feelings for aerith are only a manifestation of zack’s feelings?
it is possible though that i’m now just trying to convince myself to make myself feel better because zack……
i loved how every time zack or aerith looked at the sky, it showed the other looking back, and i loved how their lines mirrored each other. i didn’t really think too much about the zack x aerith x cloud triangle i created for myself until that marlene scene though… safe to say that marlene has now replaced tifa as my most disliked character haha (only joking)
my heart broke in two when i saw that scene, not to mention the next one where he has her bow wrapped around his hand and tries to save cloud because of aerith’s feelings towards him (would’ve been funny if he picked biggs after recalling that memory though
the final date that aerith had with cloud made me uncomfortable. i didn’t really get all the zack references, but when she mentioned “our place”, i was so surprised that she would say that to cloud. hasn’t he only been there with her like once or something? zack practically lived there. i’ve seen people deny that this date has any significance to the crisis core date, but when zack and biggs walk from near the church to sector 5, someone says in the background “a lot of good dates started right here…”, so i feel like the developers definitely had the crisis core date in mind.
in rebirth, i still gave all the preferable responses to aerith and the non-preferable responses to tifa because that’s how i’ve always played ff7 (and i didn’t consider zack since he wasn’t in the game much until the end). quite early on though, i found my 27-year dislike for tifa starting to change, and aerith even started to annoy me a bit, which really surprised me.
it seems more obvious to me than ever in remake and rebirth that cloud and tifa fit much better than cloud and aerith… zack and aerith also fit better than cloud and aerith (i bet cloud resents the day zack offered aerith that one date since she hasn’t stopped making everything a date since haha).
even though i supported cloud x aerith for 27 years and disliked tifa for the same amount of time, i just don’t think that i can deny that, in rebirth, cloud has clear feelings for tifa and that his feelings for aerith are more ambiguous. i think it’s a big deal that tifa and cloud kissed regardless of whether it was canon because final fantasy don’t hand out kisses too lightly. cloud also had the perfect opportunity to kiss aerith and didn’t take it (he initiated the kiss with tifa so i don’t think confidence was at play here, and why not kiss her if it’s not canon anyway? this was a very deliberate choice). i was upset for aerith when cloud wouldn’t sit next to her in the GS date, and i thought it was a bit odd for tifa and cloud to hold hands while aerith was singing if the song was meant to be about aerith’s romantic feelings for cloud (as some people have said).
does anyone else think that the song is about both cloud and zack in particular? i think that all the lines about the cobbled street could refer to cloud and that all the lines about promises and meeting again someday could refer to zack. cloud is literally stood right next to her when she writes the song, why does she need to wait for the day to meet him again? i also think cloud only made a promise to aerith at the end of the game and not before writing the song? i could be wrong about that, but i know for sure that, in the last conversation zack and aerith ever had, zack promised that he would see her again, and we know shes been waiting for at least 5 years since she never stopped writing letters. the flowers on the church floor surround aerith on stage when she sings the lines “Till the day that we meet again. At our place, just let me believe. In the chance that you'll come.” it’s in the developers interest not to be direct about it referring to zack if they intend to create suspense for part three regarding whether they’ll reunite.
i think (hope) aerith will walk/fall into the church in part three while zack is sitting there.. and i just hope for her sake that he sees her from the right angle
(i have a theory for what cloud says in the GS date to aerith, which i’ll post next!)
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(i managed to get the angle scene confirmed in japanese though, which sounded terrible to me in english. i know that, in german, he says that she gets more beautiful with every date, which seems more appropriate lol). and i really cannot believe they have brought him back only to tell him that aerith has feelings for his best friend (if this is what was said in japanese; i would love to hear that it wasn’t).
Nah C/T isn't the reason why the film sucks, but the devs do such a poor job at selling C/T 's arc in the film even though that's literally the heart of the movie. It's a really difficult thing to explain that C/T is the emotional center of the movie's plot, because the writers are so confused as to how to even present the stakes. I'm also talking about a non-shipper's POV btw. I have literally explained this to normies/casuals and they've blinked at me as if I've been blinded by shipping goggles even though it's the literal truth. Sometimes it's really not a media literacy problem, sometimes media is just that bad at communicating its ideas, and people who don't have any dog in the race honestly don't even understand what was intended in the first place.
Aerith was initially attracted to Cloud because of his similarities to Zack and how she saw Zack in Cloud. However, I think Aerith did develop romantic feelings towards Cloud (separate from Zack). However, what may play into the illusion is that she never meets the "real" Cloud so its questionable of "what" she was falling for. That and paired with the fact she could be still projecting Zack onto Cloud (as she has not moved on from Zack and still lingers for him - whether she realizes it or not).
Remake Chapter 14 Aerith is from the distant future (REMAKE Ultimania) and Dream Date Aerith is not our Aerith (REBIRTH Ultimania). In JP, Aerith questions what kind of "suki" it means to her. If you scroll back to earlier posts, there have been posts that explained the different types of "suki." Long story short, I think the "suki" (type of like) that Aerith developed for Cloud was romantic. The reason why she questions it is it seems she is trying to figure out to what degree these romantic feelings lie (i.e. crush or infatuation). I also think this question is a setup that is to be answered during the ZA reunion. (as she still seems to harbour feelings for Zack).
If you pay attention, visual storytelling (cinematography, symbolism, parallel dialogues, etc) is used to depict the ZA story.
If you scroll back, there are some interesting analyses regarding the Dream Date and Zack references. Seeing the Remake Trilogy employs a lot of visual storytelling and subtext in the way they tell the story, I think the Zack references are intentional.
Yeah, but why?