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But what did Aerith mean when she said "it was just his imagination"?
Given that she's trying to protect him from getting hurt right there, I don't think we can put a whole lot of stock in the case she's making.
But what did Aerith mean when she said "it was just his imagination"?
Ok then but that also makes all the CxT moments on the way to Shinra tower, etc non romantic/not shippy
The shippiest Clerith moment for me is the high five arc
The shippiest Cloti moment for me is their heart-to-heart in Cloud’s room at the end of chapter 4
Given that she's trying to protect him from getting hurt right there, I don't think we can put a whole lot of stock in the case she's making.
I feel like we should since they've already said that most of Aerith's words and actions are dripping with meaning.
However, I'm with @Purple here as I also really don’t know 100% what the writers wanted to achieve in that scene. The words "not real" and "imagination" are a clear indication she wasn't talking about her death at this specific moment and I would prob not given it much thought if we didn't know Cloud isn't his full self right now.
I'm saying that her attempt to protect him is the meaning.
I took that as the narrative's greatest allusion to her death there -- or as she's more likely thinking about it in that moment, being gone/never seeing him again. She wants to keep him from being hurt when she's gone, so she's trying to persuade him that what he feels isn't real anyway.
I think we don't need to go as far as interpreting the "It's just your imagination!" as proof that whatever Cloud's felt in his time of confusion was fake. This would disqualify his relationships with pretty much everyone throughout most of the game and we know that's not true.
However, I'm with @Purple here as I also really don’t know 100% what the writers wanted to achieve in that scene. The words "not real" and "imagination" are a clear indication she wasn't talking about her death at this specific moment and I would prob not given it much thought if we didn't know Cloud isn't his full self right now. I hope there's a callback to it in the next games, but for now, I'm more inclined to believe this is simply a nod to what she said to him in their Golden Saucer date, and that's she's aware that something is quite not right with him right now ( which goes along with this Aerith knowing things her OG!Self only got to learn much later in the game.)
I think we can both agree that “shippiest” moment is highly subjective lol but yours are valid tooNah, the shippiest moment is actually the 5 seconds before Tifa shows up where Cloud shows reluctance to leave her since he enjoyed her company so much.
The shippiest Cloti moment is Cloud telling Tifa that she's beautiful since that's the first time that Cloud's ever shown initiative with a woman or Cloud giving Tifa the flower when Cloud was already explained that it's a flower meant for a reunion between lovers. If you even tell Aerith "I'm good" when she tries to offer you the flower, she responds with saying that it'll make his girlfriend happy which then prompts him to ask how much.
I took that as the narrative's greatest allusion to her death there -- or as she's more likely thinking about it in that moment, being gone/never seeing him again. She wants to keep him from being hurt when she's gone, so she's trying to persuade him that what he feels isn't real anyway.
It's definitely referencing that Cloud is not himself. If OG! Aerith can sense that Cloud isn't the real him then Remake! Aerith should too especially since she seems stronger with her abilities here.
I think the callbacks we’re gonna get are the actual plot points of FF7 OG. Aerith’s death, Lifestream sequence. Maybe a future Avalanche plotline for Barret and we get to meet the members he was talking about. On a superficial level, the resolution scenes seem like a little nod to the fans created by the devs.I hope there's a callback to it in the next games
That's not how feelings work.
Yumelinh said:As I said, isn't the scene itself but the wording that is weirdly placed there. Having her simply saying " you'll get hurt" or "It's pointless!" would have been a much appropriate way to achieve what you implying here.
Given that she's trying to protect him from getting hurt right there, I don't think we can put a whole lot of stock in the case she's making.
I think we can both agree that “shippiest” moment is highly subjective lol but yours are valid too
And they aren't always logical either. You're surely not going to ask for hard logic in Aerith's emotionally fueled attempt to achieve an effect with someone else's emotions?
If we're going to talk logic, the effort to protect his feelings (as well as keep him from coming after her) was never going to work in the first place. But she's already shown that she's the type to try doing what she thinks is best even if it's bound for failure.
That same idea of it being pointless is being communicated, though. And "it isn't real" strikes my Western ears as a much more natural way to say that if trying to persuade someone about their own feelings.
I don't think she is making that stuff up, it's such a specific thing to say, something if you played the original, with a much bigger context.Given that she's trying to protect him from getting hurt right there, I don't think we can put a whole lot of stock in the case she's making.
The whole 'not real/imagination' is far more likely alluding to Cloud's current mental state than it is Aerith's death imo. To use that specific phrasing to a man currently experiencing frequent hallucinations, in a coma 5 years, and has half of his history mixed up outright lie says as much.
If she was more alluding to her own death and was only looking to protect him, there are far better ways to write that.
Such as:
"You'll only get hurt."
"I can't/don't/will not love you in return."
"Find someone else, it'll make you happier."
etc, etc.
Well, I'm from the west, too, but for me, "pointless" and "not real" have two completely different vibes. The first being much more fitting as to why he shouldn't fall in love with her no matter what ( "it's pointless" bc she's going to die anyway) while "not real" simply discredit his feelings altogether.
I think it is something like it's pointless or there's no use something like that in some language Yumelinh! I will have to recheck where I found that and see~
That same idea of it being pointless is being communicated, though. And "it isn't real" strikes my Western ears as a much more natural way to say that if trying to persuade someone about their own feelings.
Apparently it was Italian!
Yes, it's also perceiving he isn't himself. I'm not saying that it isn't. But I'm saying that she's citing that in her well-intentioned attempt to protect him. Referencing accurate information to get him to a misleading destination, for his own good.
But that's an assumption. A good assumption, but still just an assumption.
Well, I'm from the west, too, but for me, "pointless" and "not real" have two completely different vibes. The first being much more fitting as to why he shouldn't fall in love with her no matter what ( "it's pointless" bc she's going to die anyway) while "not real" simply discredit his feelings altogether.
I will say this though....if the devs were trying to canonize Cloti explicitly in-game for everyone by the end of Remake, this would be the way to do it by having Aerith bow out before her death, invalidate Cloud's romantic feelings for her and nudge him towards Tifa.
And I would even say that it'd be in-character for her since she's read part of the OG's plot, she knows she won't live that long, she knows Tifa and Cloud have a special bond, she knows this isn't the real Cloud and also both are her best friends and she would want them to be happy.
Not saying that is what's going to happen but it's a route that they may have accidentally stumbled upon.
It's probably both, Aerith already knows Cloud isn't his real self, maybe the entire Zack thing is actually influencing his feelings maybe she knows real Cloud has a hard on for Tifa whatever it is, she knows should this feelings grow, then her death would be a much harder hit for him.Yes, it's also perceiving he isn't himself. I'm not saying that it isn't. But I'm saying that she's citing that in her well-intentioned attempt to protect him. Referencing accurate information to get him to a misleading destination, for his own good.
Well, if they are going to go that route, they need to not have Cloud fighting her on it. XD
I got curious about the Italian translation since people mentioned it, and apparently Aerith doesn't say "You can't fall in love with me", but "We can't fall in love (with each other). It'd be pointless". The dialogues are generally much more synthetic and condensed, too, probably because it's just subtitles.
I have no thoughts on this for now and I'm not sure if it's good or bad, just wanted to clear this up (also because I think the more notable change is the we, as if she's telling that to herself as well)