SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

CldS7

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I mean, I’m happy about Nojima’s commentary on the song but the point I made earlier still stands:

Even if the song was exclusively about Aerith’s feelings for Cloud, what exactly would that prove about Cloud & Tifa?

That’s exactly why it’s good that the song being about Aeriths bonds for everyone means it’s all makes sense
 

CldS7

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Can we please, pretty please have a duet? That would be so sweet and fitting :excited:

Would love a duet but honestly unsure they would differentiate it between NPTK and Hollow

Unless it’s gonna be something much quieter and slower then a ballad
 

GamerSkull

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You’ve gotta admit that it’s an odd choice to allow players to have Cloud and Tifa hold hands during the song if it was supposed to be about Aerith’s feelings for Cloud.

But yeah, my original read of the song is that it could have multiple interpretations. But at least now we know what the clear intent was.
 

eleamaya

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So I had to check twitter because I wanted to see the meltdown and....
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a lot of us simply didn't want to believe that Aerith's entire narrative plot was wrapped up in a man.
CAs would be the first one to complain on Nojima being misogyny if the song was about Zack but now that its been confirmed that her theme song is about all the people she loved and about herself as well, they're still mad and call the devs liars ???
 

CldS7

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You’ve gotta admit that it’s an odd choice to allow players to have Cloud and Tifa hold hands during the song if it was supposed to be about Aerith’s feelings for Cloud.

But yeah, my original read of the song is that it could have multiple interpretations. But at least now we know what the clear intent was.

It makes that scene a lot better

They’re listening to Aerith talk about her bonds and experiences, so they’re interpreting it in the way they want to

Same for Barret, Yuffies dates as well

The meaning behind the song has Literally enhanced every date now as well
 

CldS7

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Funny how CAs react to Nonima right now. The authors is literally trying to take away your bad interpretation and head canon for the character he owns. Really they should thanks him for giving Aerith more depth and hearts with this comments

I’m convinced they’re self inserts and don’t like Aerith

I’ve never heard any of them speaking about Aerith in TOTP once
 

Rin

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CAs would be the first one to complain on Nojima being misogyny if the song was about Zack but now that its been confirmed that her theme song is about all the people she loved and about herself as well, they're still mad and call the devs liars ???
Yeah, they're a bit hypocritical in that way. I think there is actual sexism and misogyny present in FF7's writing because it's pretty inescapable as a whole, but no one ever talks about it unless it's to prop up one ship and dunk on another--which is why I personally never bring it up. I just knew I wanted Aerith to be about more than her relationship with two men and I'm very, very glad that she is.
 

Maidenofwar

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Aerith doesn't need her character enhanced, her character was already enhanced in many areas of the game. People can accuse others of not liking Aerith all they want, but some already saw and loved her in all those other scenes, while still wanting something special of their own too.
 

GamerSkull

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In regards to sexism, my issue is more that they aren’t consistent. Tifa is only liked because she’s hot as far as they are concerned, but they seem to care more about whether Aerith and Cloud are a thing rather than who Aerith is herself. Almost as if she only matters if she ends up with Cloud. (Should go without saying, but I’m referring to the more extreme ones)

I’ll tell you one thing, if Tifa did not end up with Cloud at the end.., she would still be my favorite character. I like her for more than the fact that she’s part of a ship I like. She does a whole lot, separate from Cloud, that I find awesome and endearing. Like when she’s worried about Marlene, who realizes Barret isn’t coming home that night as an example.

And while this is still a ship moment, I guess… the biggest thing that stood out to me in the OG was when she literally just wants to take care of Vegetable Cloud, and doesn’t care about anything else. That’s a keeper.
 
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Legend45

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You’ve gotta admit that it’s an odd choice to allow players to have Cloud and Tifa hold hands during the song if it was supposed to be about Aerith’s feelings for Cloud.

But yeah, my original read of the song is that it could have multiple interpretations. But at least now we know what the clear intent was.

"Till we meet again" has much more depth now she is talking about all of the people she has lost the people she wants to reunite with. "Reunion" has even more meaning now.

It also finally makes me realize why she cried tears at the end not because of Cloud (He was standing near her anyways) it was because of all of the people she wants to meet.
 

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In regards to sexism, my issue is more that they aren’t consistent. Tifa is only liked because she’s hot as far as they are concerned, but they seem to care more about whether Aerith and Cloud are a thing rather than who Aerith is herself. Almost as if she only matters if she ends up with Cloud. (Should go without saying, but I’m referring to the more extreme ones)

I’ll tell you one thing, if Tifa did not end up with Cloud at the end.., she would still be my favorite character. I like her for more than the fact that she’s part of a ship I like. She does a whole lot, separate from Cloud, that I find awesome and endearing. Like when she’s worried about Marlene, who realizes Barret isn’t coming home that night as an example.

I love Tifa as a character so much. As Max says she is the real hero of the story

Shes suffered so much, try’s to please everyone but at the end of the day was able to save what was most important to her

The heroine saved the hero which let him save the world

Tbh I find it fundamentally hard to seperate Cloud and Tifa cause both of their arcs are so interconnected and the pay off goes both ways in a way that just can’t be changed.

But you’re spot on 100%
 

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You’ve gotta admit that it’s an odd choice to allow players to have Cloud and Tifa hold hands during the song if it was supposed to be about Aerith’s feelings for Cloud.

But yeah, my original read of the song is that it could have multiple interpretations. But at least now we know what the clear intent was.

But-But-But that’s because Cloud and Aerith are the intended couple! Obviously you’re playing the game wrong! Cloud x Tifa is out of character!

/s

That’s exactly why it’s good that the song being about Aeriths bonds for everyone means it’s all makes sense

I mean I’m not even saying the song couldn’t have been exclusive to Aerith towards Cloud, I was honestly perfectly fine accepting that it was. What I meant was that even if it actually was, it’s not like that song’s existence cancels out the development between Cloud and Tifa.
 
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Ryeleigh

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Some people just want to take every little thing CA has away from them I guess. Oh well. Can't have any happiness in this house. The amount of glee, crowing, etc, vindication of people's joy being taken away from them on twitter is going to suck.
I know others have already replied to this so I hope this doesn't come off as dogpiling, but I just wanted to add my badly-worded and unasked two cents to this.

Personally, I've never shipped canon couples so I've never cared about canonicity or validation for my ships. So this probably comes down to differences in views, but the song being about everyone Aerith loves doesn't take away from CA? I mean, you can still see it as CA and about everyone? This is the creative license of shipping and exploring different aspects of characters and relationships in fan fiction?

And I think I'll stop here because I have a real hard time gathering and wording my thoughts right now, lol.
 

GamerSkull

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But-But-But that’s because Cloud and Aerith are the intended couple! Obviously you’re playing the game wrong! Cloud and Tifa is out of character!

/s



I mean I’m not even saying the song couldn’t have been exclusive to Aerith towards Cloud, I was honestly perfectly fine accepting that it was. What I meant was that even if it actually was, it’s not like that song’s existence cancel out the development between Cloud and Tifa.
Oh that’s right. Forgot that wasn’t canon. My bad.
 

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I just think the dumbest part of this all is the same group who constantly say Tifa’s character is so focused on Cloud and they want her to have things with other characters are the same ones losing their heads that one song isn’t about one person but their whole bonds and relationships
 

Yumelinh

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I am pretty sure that no-one in this thread was intentionally trying to mock or have hate in their hearts when discussing this new information. However, you have to admit that this entire NPTK has been thrown in the C/T side of the triangle faces ever since the game has been released. I believe it has been brought up here in this thread a couple of times and has been a constant point of contention.

Having the Devs finally break their silence to articulate what they were trying to get across. (apparently they have initially failed miserably if somehow this song was interpreted as a Love Song to Cloud and Cloud alone) which as we have recently found out to be far from the truth.

Nojima has always had a way of being ambiguous whenever it comes to the LTD. He preferred to leave it up to the consumer to who likes who. But what he wasn't counting on was the immaturity of the entire fandom who can't handle someone who has a different opinion. This goes for both C/A and C/T.

Sometimes you have to bring the receipts and this was one of those times.
I didn't mention anyone in particular or a specific event precisely because I was generally speaking about what's been happening here for a while now and, while I understand that it may not have been the intention, when someone brings a comment from Twitter/other sites that doesn't really add anything to the discussion other than being, most of the time, an absurd interpretation, it does feel like it was added here merely so other people can laugh at the expense of said comment. My previous post was about this types of situation.

That said (and correct me if I'm wrong), but from your comment, it feels like you interpreted my post as 'don't bring anything from Twitter ever', which wasn't the case at all. If it's new info, interpretation, discovery, whatever, personally I don't see an issue at all, as they all relevant things that do add a lot to the discussions. This and situations I mentioned in my previous post ( and above) are completely different things.
 

Rin

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Aerith doesn't need her character enhanced, her character was already enhanced in many areas of the game. People can accuse others of not liking Aerith all they want, but some already saw and loved her in all those other scenes, while still wanting something special of their own too.
I don't know what you mean. The song doesn't make sense narratively as a CA love song, which is why people were pushing back on that idea in the first place. Knowing that it was never intended to be a CA love song isn't taking anything away because it would've had to have its meaning changed for that to be possible.

While I'm happy you saw the depth in Aerith from the start, other people were worried about her character journey. This interview reaffirmed that the devs know Aerith inside and out, that she is someone who loves life and ALL her friends and family. That isn't a negative for any Aerith fan, regardless of shipping preference.

I understand being disappointed since you were heavy on the "NPTK is a love song about CA" and that got debunked by the man who wrote the song, but why is Aerith singing for her mothers and her friends a bad thing? This doesn't change the fact that you can get the CA date, this doesn't change the CA-specific side quests, this doesn't change any other CA-specific moments. It doesn't change anything, other than Aerith isn't singing a song for a man who can watch her perform it while holding hands with another woman. Narratively, that's a good thing.
 

Yoru

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CAs would be the first one to complain on Nojima being misogyny if the song was about Zack but now that its been confirmed that her theme song is about all the people she loved and about herself as well, they're still mad and call the devs liars ???
Because they don't care about Aerith. They never have. They just see their "love story" and nothing else.
Zack is the ennemy. Tifa is the ennemy. They would approve the worst fan-fiction ever made if it would allow their ship. They're not here for the story, the universe, the characters. All they want is their weird Romeo x Juliet. Hell, some are not even playing the games.

I’ll tell you one thing, if Tifa did not end up with Cloud at the end.., she would still be my favorite character. I like her for more than the fact that she’s part of a ship I like. She does a whole lot, separate from Cloud, that I find awesome and endearing. Like when she’s worried about Marlene, who realizes Barret isn’t coming home that night as an example.
Exactly. It just so happens that the game's storyline calls for her to play an important role in the hero's journey. But I love her even without Cloud around. She's pretty, she kicks ass with her punch (personal kink but whatever) she's sweet and always caring. And I love that Rebirth is trying to show her bad side too. The way she wants to be loved by everyone. It's just great.
 

Graymouse

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That said (and correct me if I'm wrong), but from your comment, it feels like you interpreted my post as 'don't bring anything from Twitter ever', which wasn't the case at all.

Your assumption was correct. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

My reasoning for that was because there was a comment a couple of scores back in the thread that didn't want anything brought from Twitter because it was felt that it was being brought up to mock and be condescending towards a ship, which was never the case it was just used to strengthen the argument against a particular point that was being misunderstood.

I meant no harm and no foul and I apologize.
 

Maidenofwar

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CA had the love song, and CT had the kiss. Nah, for me it would be like coming out and agreeing the takes that the date was about Aerith, Zack, Cloud and Tifa were correct.

Uematsu even said he hoped it was a love song that became a love song standard a standard for all love songs. Well I only go by what I am told, and officially they were rolling with it's a love song for a while. So now they go with it's not.

It was a big non optional moment. The side quests, date, etc, anything optional doesn't hold as much weight in debate.
 
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