SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

Gym Leader Devil

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So many names
You have to be very precise when commanding and sinking ships, after all.

The difference between A2 and B3 is the difference between victory and defeat after all.

Moreso now than ever, what with the people apparently wanting the Highwind sequence but with Aerith while also denying anything romantic about the version that already exists.

Contradiction baked into an argument does not make a good argument. It's bad and they should feel bad.

Unfathomable is her power.

It is I deed without fathom.

Especially not when the monkeys in question are named "Summer and Winter."

Yep.

That and our love for small animals.

Indeed, my cats know I'm not 100% a dick. Sometimes that's enough.

Wish we weren't in this case, but c'est la vie.

Life is cruel, treats us unfairly.

Better give it a hat just to make sure.

Hats make everything better.

Capsule Corp. They're into everything and everywhere.

I guess the Battle Simulator was a success. Gotta get that interuniversal revenue stream up.

Hell of their own making etc. etc.

That's how I embody Sloth, letting people make their own Hell while I nap.

Also remember consideration is required for a contact to be enforceable, but you still have to fight it in court.

You might be at the rap but you won't be at the ride.

Ad Hominems, that's another. Can't tell you how many times I've had my personage insulted as if it had any bearing on the quality of the argument I presented. Plenty of them were absolute shit at that.

Oh yes, good old Ad Hominem. Honestly that was my favorite back in the day, it said "let's give up the pretence of an actual debate and just insult each other." For a dishonest debate tactics, it could almost be refreshingly honest in its own way.

Technically, this is not necessarily true. A sufficiently stupid person will throw the average off of a 50/50 split ever so slightly. But broadly speaking, yep.

The most Carlin move of all, you just anti-ed a Carlin bit with logic :awesome: It's just what George woulda done.

Pre-empting Barret, don't forget.

The best.

This is a problem I have with a lot of the CA arguments as well as a lot of the characterization of Cloud post FFVII. I think it lacks thematic congruency. The best Cloud, imo, is the one who isn't captain america as you put it. In my opinion Cloud should never be Zack, I think the idea of Cloud not being special was core to the impact of his story in the original, and the more the games portray him as "actually, he was always amazing" the less special that story is. I want Cloud to win because he has friends and because of his bonds with them, not because he's simply "him".

Cap is honestly the wrong brush to paint Cloud with. Cap was a sickly small man with the heart of a hero. The Super Soldier program just made the body capable of matching the heart. And he was chosen for the project for that very reason.

By contrast, Cloud had the physical potential for great things from the start, but not the heart. He chose to pursue becoming SOLDIER for selfish reasons, to be good enough for the gurl he loves. And he was rejected for lacking the force of will to stay himself.

Cloud is "just a guy" in the sense that he's very much the Unchosen. He stumbled, failed, and derped his way to being the hero. It was never a role that was chosen for him.

As for being Zack? No, he should not be Zack. There can be only one Chad Puppy. But ... well Cloud killed Sephiroth after Sephiroth ruined Zack's shit so :awesome:

One of my favorite things about the OG was that Sephiroth essentially just went "who tf are you when you first meet him again (jenova) onboard the boat.

I enjoyed that too the first time. The narrative expanded, and now we just have to accept that Sephy is fucking with our boy there.

Yeah, I absolutely DESPISE the LTD by now. IMO, saying "the story is whatever you want it to be" is the same as saying "there is no story". All the LTD is doing is lessening the developers ability to tell the story as clear, impactful, and focused as possible.

The LTD is indeed silly and pointless. It's a war fought long after it was won. The final shot of the real battle was fired in 97, everything since us some silly shadow war fought with bad faith. The devs may have felt locked in by the nature of remakes, but they really should grab it's potential absence from Part 3 by the horns and ride.

If sitting in a distance is a romantic trope, then everything is. And indeed, everything can be, you have to look at it in the context of the characters and situations. For Cloud, and the context of him being in love with Tifa, him being continuously adverse to closeness with Aerith is NOT a good sign. Maybe in a different story where the new girl slowly steals the heart of the guy away from the girl he's always loved, but there are a bunch of reasons why this story is NOT that. Which is obvious in about every scene.

:monster: This.

Yes, it is simply annoying to me that I can't talk about Cloud and Tifa without adding in caveats for what I essentially see as some conspiracy theory that everything we know about FFVII is wrong and Cloud actually ends up with Aerith.

Have you hit up the Cloti Club here on TLS? Be nice to encourage posting outside the LTD around here.

Yeah, it was really a nothing burger, Cloud assaults Tifa in her sleep, as happens in about a billion doujinshi that no one complains about. But because this comic set a more serious tone it's apparently unacceptable, because we can't have serious discussions or stories about dark subject matter apparently. This is a classic "if you don't like it, don't read it" situation, but Cleriths tried using it to prove Clotis are evil because they defended this persons freedom of speech or something.

Again, that's bad and they should feel bad. Shame these people for their weird second hand Ad Hominem bullshit.

Riley is the great unifier in the Buffy ship wars because no one gives a fuck about him :monster:

I cared enough to pity him. Poor bastard, not mysterious and dark enough to hang with Angel, not cool and funny enough to hang with Spike. Whole deal was just sad. I salute you getting the fuck out of Sunnydale, Captain Cardboard.
 

Sacky

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To add to the same story point (Cloud and Tifa's relationship) being brought up --

It seems Rebirth continues to address this indirectly through other characters. These are 2 examples that come to mind (there may be more but I have not looked deeply into it)

1. Yuffie GS date - Yuffie talks about Tifa having a crush on Cloud and asks Cloud if he did. When Yuffie says that Tifa probably forgot about Cloud after moving to Midgar, Cloud seems to frown and be bothered by it.
2. Aerith Water Tower convo at Nibelheim - Aerith calls out Cloud potentially using the tower as a lookout spot to Tifa. Its interesting that the answer with the highest points is: "Probably, seems like something I'd do" (since its a CA interaction).
Yes Yuffie actually brings this up multiple times
With the naughty thoughts, which once again Cloud does not deny or confirm
with the Tifa can whip him back into shape type comment
Clouds recalling the flashback starts once again with Tifa and Clouds feelings with a scene you have to watch
him pining over her at the water tower. Now i think about it both games have had this plot point be shown at
the start of each game. With part 3 this will probably be the northern crater your opinion is the only one that matters.
We even had Cloud say he was nervous when he learned she was the guide. So both games have started with this plot
point but not explained it fully each time just hinted interesting...
even in wall market in Remake, we have Andrea say you find what you were looking for hold on and never let it go,
in which we know the context was Tifa since thats who Cloud was looking for when Andrea helped him get into the mansion.
Even Marle saying be good to her. Theres so much about their relationship that is brought up in this trilogy,
 

Ryushikaze

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The difference between A2 and B3 is the difference between victory and defeat after all.
I prefer A2 and 2B, but that's just me.

Contradiction baked into an argument does not make a good argument. It's bad and they should feel bad.
They should indeed. As should repeating a lie from over a decade ago, like "the reunion files Koibito quote was just describing Tifa's personality" which someone tried to pull on me today.

It is I deed without fathom.
Surface level, even.

Indeed, my cats know I'm not 100% a dick. Sometimes that's enough.
Likewise. Plus my wife.

Life is cruel, treats us unfairly.
Life never promised to be fair. Just life.

Hats make everything better.
Hats on the explosives, on the bullets, on the fire somehow!

I guess the Battle Simulator was a success. Gotta get that interuniversal revenue stream up.
I imagine Capsule Corps board meetings go something like "Doctor Briefs and/or his daughter have just invented fifteen paradigm changing devices this morning alone. How the fuck do we profit off of these safely enough that we don't explode ourselves in the process"

That's how I embody Sloth, letting people make their own Hell while I nap.
People are very good at that.

Oh yes, good old Ad Hominem. Honestly that was my favorite back in the day, it said "let's give up the pretence of an actual debate and just insult each other." For a dishonest debate tactics, it could almost be refreshingly honest in its own way.
Of course, simply insulting someone isn't an Ad Hominem. Insulting someone to discredit their argument or in lieu of making one, that's an Ad Hom. I can call a fuckface a moron and then explain why his argument is shit so long as his fuckacery has nothing to do with the argument and I explain how he is a moron.

The most Carlin move of all, you just anti-ed a Carlin bit with logic :awesome: It's just what George woulda done.
I do, if not my best, at least better than average.

Cap is honestly the wrong brush to paint Cloud with. Cap was a sickly small man with the heart of a hero. The Super Soldier program just made the body capable of matching the heart. And he was chosen for the project for that very reason.

By contrast, Cloud had the physical potential for great things from the start, but not the heart. He chose to pursue becoming SOLDIER for selfish reasons, to be good enough for the gurl he loves. And he was rejected for lacking the force of will to stay himself.

Cloud is "just a guy" in the sense that he's very much the Unchosen. He stumbled, failed, and derped his way to being the hero. It was never a role that was chosen for him.

As for being Zack? No, he should not be Zack. There can be only one Chad Puppy. But ... well Cloud killed Sephiroth after Sephiroth ruined Zack's shit so :awesome:
Cloud is very Peter Parker, in that he's definitely very petty at first but grows and becomes a better person. FF7 and the SOLDIER delusion is sort of his Black Suit arc.
His and Tifa's relationship is pure Scott and Jean, though.

I cared enough to pity him. Poor bastard, not mysterious and dark enough to hang with Angel, not cool and funny enough to hang with Spike. Whole deal was just sad. I salute you getting the fuck out of Sunnydale, Captain Cardboard.
He also had the misfortune of leaving and the show quality improving dramatically. If you pay attention, Aside from the first half length season, 5 is the only season that really goes full tilt with the finale villain and that storyline right from the start.

Yes Yuffie actually brings this up multiple times
With the naughty thoughts, which once again Cloud does not deny or confirm
Well, he 'confirms' in that he has a definite reaction to Yuffie's comments.

But yes, the game is making sure to seed even more hints throughout the game because the devs absolutely want you to get the fucking point in the lifestream and highwind scenes this time.
 

imach0c0

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Yes Yuffie actually brings this up multiple times
With the naughty thoughts, which once again Cloud does not deny or confirm
with the Tifa can whip him back into shape type comment
Clouds recalling the flashback starts once again with Tifa and Clouds feelings with a scene you have to watch
him pining over her at the water tower. Now i think about it both games have had this plot point be shown at
the start of each game. With part 3 this will probably be the northern crater your opinion is the only one that matters.
We even had Cloud say he was nervous when he learned she was the guide. So both games have started with this plot
point but not explained it fully each time just hinted interesting...
even in wall market in Remake, we have Andrea say you find what you were looking for hold on and never let it go,
in which we know the context was Tifa since thats who Cloud was looking for when Andrea helped him get into the mansion.
Even Marle saying be good to her. Theres so much about their relationship that is brought up in this trilogy,
I think the water tower is constantly referenced because it represents the crux of Cloud's hero journey.

It is also symbolic of the relationship between Cloud and Tifa. For Tifa, this is the place where she realizes her affection for Cloud. For Cloud, this is the place he invites Tifa to tell her he is leaving to become SOLDIER. A goal he set out so he could be a special person to Tifa.

On the surface, the water tower scene seems like an innocent promise shared between two childhood friends. However, the truth of what it actually represents is locked inside Cloud's "tender memories" that get resolved in the LS sequence with Tifa.

The remake trilogy seems to be setting up for that because Cloud's feelings for Tifa are confirmed to not only Tifa but to the player during part of his resolution. I believe one of the devs said that they added more CT scenes to show their relationship and make it clear. Its apparent via repetitive water tower references, characters teasing Cloud about Tifa and how the the relationship of CT is explored/developed. Cloud has certain mannerisms, facial expressions and nuances in his voice that are only unique to Tifa.
 
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eleamaya

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Cap was a sickly small man with the heart of a hero. The Super Soldier program just made the body capable of matching the heart. And he was chosen for the project for that very reason.

"𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐨𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐰, 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐲 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞.
𝐍𝐨𝐭 𝐚 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭 SOLDIER, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐚 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐦𝐚𝐧."
--𝘈𝘣𝘳𝘢𝘩𝘢𝘮 𝘌𝘳𝘴𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘚𝘵𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘙𝘰𝘨𝘦𝘳𝘴, 𝘊𝘢𝘱𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘈𝘮𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘢 (2011)

He is scientist but not Hojo lol,
I could view this as Glenn saying to Sephiroth and Angeal mentoring Zack.
Cloud? His mom and Tifa should tell him this.

Cloud is very Peter Parker, in that he's definitely very petty at first but grows and becomes a better person.
Does this make Zack Uncle Ben? :awesome:
 
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Ryushikaze

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"𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐨𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐨𝐰, 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐲 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞.
𝐍𝐨𝐭 𝐚 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭 SOLDIER, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐚 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐦𝐚𝐧."
--𝘈𝘣𝘳𝘢𝘩𝘢𝘮 𝘌𝘳𝘴𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘚𝘵𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘙𝘰𝘨𝘦𝘳𝘴, 𝘊𝘢𝘱𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘈𝘮𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘢 (2011)

He is scientist but not Hojo lol,
I could view this as Glenn saying to Sephiroth and Angeal mentoring Zack.
Cloud? His mom and Tifa should tell him this.


Does this make Zack Uncle Ben? :awesome:
Yes. And Aerith is Merissa Tomei Aunt May.
Zack in his own story is very much Cap, though.
 

eleamaya

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Zack in his own story is very much Cap, though.
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Oh, and how many years does Peggy wait for him to return?
It took time travel for them to reunite.

Yes. And Aerith is Merissa Tomei Aunt May.
Aerith can be Gwen Stacy too. I dont follow the comic and cartoon, but I can cite the characters' quote from the live-action movies

❝ I believe there’s a hero in all of us,
that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble.
And finally gets us to die with pride.
Even though sometimes we have to be steady
and give up the thing we want most, even our dreams.❝

Aunty May to Peter Parker, Spider-Man 2

❝There will be days where you feel all alone,
and that’s when hope is needed most.
No matter how buried it gets, or how lost you feel,
you must promise me that you will hold on to hope. Keep it alive.
We have to be greater than what we suffer.
My wish for you is to become hope; people need that.
And even if we fail, what better way is there to live?❝

Gwen Stacy, The Amazing Spider-Man 2
 

Empyrea

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South Korean dramas don't go crazy with the physicality either (or didn't used to, I haven't watched the new ones). So when the couples do get kisses, it's always EPIC, lol. It's so cute. Honestly better than American romance shows because watching those I'm always like, "omg, please stop swapping spit", lol.
The ones my mom watched are like that (The Korean dramas) lol

And I just remembered, one shoujo I watched that aired from Dec last year to Jan this year (but was written like a decade ago?) had an obvious romance that ran for nearly all 24 of its episodes.

The last episode was the guy finally confessing and proposing to the girl. The couple hug right before the credits -- no kiss.

I watched another just a few years before that had a forehead kiss after having the audacity to tease a kiss.

Point being, there's a reason why I doubted the GS date leaks when they first came out xD
 
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Stiggie

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The ones my mom watched are like that (The Korean dramas) lol

And I just remembered, one shoujo I watched that aired from Dec last year to Jan this year (but was written like a decade ago?) had an obvious romance that ran for nearly all 24 of its episodes.

The last episode was the guy finally confessing and proposing to the girl. The couple hug right before the credits -- no kiss.

I watched another just a few years before that had a forehead kiss after having the audacity to tease a kiss.

Point being, there's a reason why I doubted the GS date leaks when they first came out xD
Meanwhile I just discovered the couple from a rom-com manga I used to follow just finally had sex, so I'm catching up on that. This is the problem with people, both CA's and CT's trying to make definitive statements about how things are done in Asia, It isn't a monolith.
 
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Yoru

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Cap is honestly the wrong brush to paint Cloud with. Cap was a sickly small man with the heart of a hero. The Super Soldier program just made the body capable of matching the heart. And he was chosen for the project for that very reason.

By contrast, Cloud had the physical potential for great things from the start, but not the heart. He chose to pursue becoming SOLDIER for selfish reasons, to be good enough for the gurl he loves. And he was rejected for lacking the force of will to stay himself.

Cloud is "just a guy" in the sense that he's very much the Unchosen. He stumbled, failed, and derped his way to being the hero. It was never a role that was chosen for him.

I'm not really with you everytime you talk about this. I don't like this idea of a "superhuman" hiding beneath the surface. I think it ruins his character. This is exactly why I don't want Glenn to be his father. I don't want there to be a predestined connection.

Just because when Tifa fell, he escaped with just a scraped knee, doesn't mean he's powerful from the start. Maybe he was just lucky he didn't land on his head like she did.

Likewise, the fact that he can kill the world's greatest SOLDIER loses all value for me if "well actually he's a genius, he just needed to believe it".

It also goes against the subtext of Tifa, who's in love with him precisely because he's not unapproachable, he's just another boy.

We're talking about alien cells in his body that make him forget he has motion sickness. Rather speaking as changing a person physically for me.


So yeah. I don't like it. Not saying you're wrong (and maybe I didn't understand your point) but it seems to me it is also based on your interpretation. So i'll keep with mine for the time being I think.
 
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Empyrea

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This is the problem with people, both CA's and CT's trying to make definitive statements about how things are done in Asian, It isn't a monolith.
I'm very much aware of that, and for the record I'm Asian. Southeast, but Asian nonetheless.

I've definitely seen the type you're talking about, as it's not an isolated case (like Horimiya, which was written years ago but was animated recently, and even that one took 100 odd chapters in the manga). From my experience, though, that wasn't the case in the 90s, which is what I was replying to. And it goes without saying, it's one person's experience.
 
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pxl_pushr

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I'm very much aware of that, and for the record I'm Asian. Southeast, but Asian nonetheless.

I've definitely seen the type you're talking about, as it's not an isolated case (like Horimiya, which was written years ago but was animated recently). From my experience, though, that wasn't the case in the 90s, which is what I was replying to. And it goes without saying, it's one person's experience.
A confession but no kiss?

NoThiNg cOnFiRmeD, they’re just friends/roommates that platonically share a home despite knowing they love each other.
 

Stiggie

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I'm very much aware of that, and for the record I'm Asian. Southeast, but Asian nonetheless.

I've definitely seen the type you're talking about, as it's not an isolated case (like Horimiya, which was written years ago but was animated recently, and even that one took 100 odd chapters in the manga). From my experience, though, that wasn't the case in the 90s, which is what I was replying to. And it goes without saying, it's one person's experience.
To clarify, I wasn't saying you were saying that your experience defines romance in manga, I was just backing you up by highlighting another extreme.
 

Hellenic

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You guys feeling afraid :mon:?

Been seeing some bad analyzes about ToTP and Cloud and Tifas relationship in general lately in the cesspool that is Twitter. Considering this person thinks they did a great write up about how Cloud and Tifa is not it, i wonder how they genuinely think there would ever be anything like this between Zack and Tifa (yes this all reads like the usual bullshit of let's throw the problematic characters that get in the way of our ship together)?

I just find this bullcrap deflection so weird if you're supposed to understand these characters in the first place. Zack and Tifa did in fact meet and there was no flirting whatsoever for starters and we know how Tifa is when it comes down to any other guy and their advances besides Cloud.

I cropped out any names and everything, but if posting a direct screencap is too much then i'll just delete this post.
 

Stiggie

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You guys feeling afraid :mon:?

Been seeing some bad analyzes about ToTP and Cloud and Tifas relationship in general lately in the cesspool that is Twitter. Considering this person thinks they did a great write up about how Cloud and Tifa is not it, i wonder how they genuinely think there would ever be anything like this between Zack and Tifa (yes this all reads like the usual bullshit of let's throw the problematic characters that get in the way of our ship together)?

I just find this bullcrap deflection so weird if you're supposed to understand these characters in the first place. Zack and Tifa did in fact meet and there was no flirting whatsoever for starters and we know how Tifa is when it comes down to any other guy and their advances besides Cloud.

I cropped out any names and everything, but if posting a direct screencap is too much then i'll just delete this post.
My latest annoyances at twitter stupidity:
1: If the opposing ship throws in this at the end of the game it's time for your ship to throw in the towel. Proceeds to show an image of Cloud holding hands with a dead Aerith in a game that literally has Cloud kissing another girl.
2: Keep your OPTIONAL kiss lol. (Man the cope)
3: Here is a list of misrepresented and cherry picked quotes and moments in rapid fire so it take more than 240 characters to clean up the stupidity mess they made in 1 image.
4: Haha, we got you, Zeriths are really just Clotis in disguise!!!! and that is an argument.....somehow.
 
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MissMDusk

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Does anyone know how the LA/HA responses are triggered for the dream date in ch14?

Very weird and small place to put a slight difference in response, despite the outcome being the same. Wondering if how it's triggered would say anything about why it's there...
 

shady

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You guys feeling afraid :mon:?

Been seeing some bad analyzes about ToTP and Cloud and Tifas relationship in general lately in the cesspool that is Twitter. Considering this person thinks they did a great write up about how Cloud and Tifa is not it, i wonder how they genuinely think there would ever be anything like this between Zack and Tifa (yes this all reads like the usual bullshit of let's throw the problematic characters that get in the way of our ship together)?

I just find this bullcrap deflection so weird if you're supposed to understand these characters in the first place. Zack and Tifa did in fact meet and there was no flirting whatsoever for starters and we know how Tifa is when it comes down to any other guy and their advances besides Cloud.

I cropped out any names and everything, but if posting a direct screencap is too much then i'll just delete this post.
Not in anyones dizziest daydreams is Zack going to magically appear infront of Tifa and flirt with her, and then Tifa not deny the advances. The amount of empty air between these peoples ears needs to be studied because i've never seen anything like it quite frankly.

The people plugged into the Matrix are having less vivid dreams than this.
 

Hellenic

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3: Here is a list of misrepresented and cherry picked quotes and moments in rapid fire so it take more than 240 characters to clean up the stupidity mess I made in 1 image.
Funnily enough this person did use the classic mistranslated OG text of "Tifa and the guys didn't let Cloud into the group" while also mentioning her saying the opposite in Rebirth, but they chose to deflect that into being because Cloud got implanted false memories when meeting Tifa at the train station and then posting about the quick flashback of Tifa we see in the beginning of Remake, where Cloud recollected that bit wrongly. So basically in a nutshell they imply that Tifa is a liar in Rebirth for saying that they tried to invite him but he never joined instead.

So remember people, only the old mistranslated things matter and anything that gets fixed in the new material doesn't matter.
 

Hellenic

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Does anyone know how the LA/HA responses are triggered for the dream date in ch14?

Very weird and small place to put a slight difference in response, despite the outcome being the same. Wondering if how it's triggered would say anything about why it's there...
I think some people implied it might have to do with what you pick during the date, but not sure myself.
 

Eerie

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Not in anyones dizziest daydreams is Zack going to magically appear infront of Tifa and flirt with her, and then Tifa not deny the advances. The amount of empty air between these peoples ears needs to be studied because i've never seen anything like it quite frankly.

The people plugged into the Matrix are having less vivid dreams than this.
The most bizarro thing is that... they already met and there was absolutely no spark. All Zack was into was Aerith and all Tifa was into was Cloud. Literally. And Zack be like a third man after with Cloud "you sure you haven't got anything to say buddy?" lmao xD And Cloud be like "my secret noooooooo I don't want to tell anyone" xD

I think some people implied it might have to do with what you pick during the date, but not sure myself.
Some think you must have Aerith for the two dates to get her HA but no clue honestly. Many CAs got the LA date actually.
 

Hellenic

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Not in anyones dizziest daydreams is Zack going to magically appear infront of Tifa and flirt with her, and then Tifa not deny the advances. The amount of empty air between these peoples ears needs to be studied because i've never seen anything like it quite frankly.

The people plugged into the Matrix are having less vivid dreams than this.
I just don't get why they think saying stuff like this somehow gives their points more credit and isn't easily disapproved if you actually cared about this game and it's characters.

Like i didn't approve of what i read in general, but then throwing that stuff about how Zack and Tifas characters would act at the end just instantly made the whole writeup completely worthless in my eyes.
 

pxl_pushr

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Does anyone know how the LA/HA responses are triggered for the dream date in ch14?

Very weird and small place to put a slight difference in response, despite the outcome being the same. Wondering if how it's triggered would say anything about why it's there...
Until shown anything concrete that says otherwise, I’m assuming it follows the same rules as other LA/HA scenes in this and the original game: the sentiment is the same, the HA version just emphasizes it

Sometimes, omitting something is more potent than actually saying it ( words aren’t the only way to express how you feel )
 

Empyrea

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You guys feeling afraid :mon:?

Been seeing some bad analyzes about ToTP and Cloud and Tifas relationship in general lately in the cesspool that is Twitter. Considering this person thinks they did a great write up about how Cloud and Tifa is not it, i wonder how they genuinely think there would ever be anything like this between Zack and Tifa (yes this all reads like the usual bullshit of let's throw the problematic characters that get in the way of our ship together)?

I just find this bullcrap deflection so weird if you're supposed to understand these characters in the first place. Zack and Tifa did in fact meet and there was no flirting whatsoever for starters and we know how Tifa is when it comes down to any other guy and their advances besides Cloud.

I cropped out any names and everything, but if posting a direct screencap is too much then i'll just delete this post.
I'm afraid that Zack and Tifa's doppelgangers will show up and take their place and make the endgame pairing CA and ZT, because we are to assume Cloud would just take that lying down, I guess :mon:

In all seriousness, though, they continue to prove how...most of them haven't really played the games.
 
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