So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[I Am Not Me]

Meibito... I see you haven't changed at all. KTR and Drake are the closest to Clerith that we have right now. x'D

Does anyone else agree that Zack and Aerith are on equal levels when it comes to Cloud's feelings?

I agree.

What about the other ones from way before? Like...umm...those other people who were Clerith?

This proves that Aerith is hotter than Zack.

Spoiler

Yah boobs!

STFU and GTFO Aerith is not hotter than Zack. The closest anyone is going to have that title is with Tifa. Aerith is pretty, but Zack is hot.

Spoiler

And since we're talking about boobs.

)8 I'm not enough Cleris for you? What if I made my posts in obnoxious pink font all the time?

My posts are in pink font all the time. Does that mean I'm totally Cleris?

lol I've actually never event thought of that before. XD

How come people ignore Crisis Core = CC?

Dirge of Cerberus = DC... hmm, DynexCloud? DioxCloud?

If the white space is Cloud's Promised Land, he truly is one boring individual.

It has flowers in it. This could either mean he loves Aerith (thus the flowers) or he's gay.

I usually go with the 'he's gay' conclusion, really.

 

[KissTheRain]

STFU and GTFO Aerith is not hotter than Zack. The closest anyone is going to have that title is with Tifa. Aerith is pretty, but Zack is hot.

Lolz, I was only kidding. Aerith is absolutely beautiful, but can she beat this?

Spoiler: Sexiness

My posts are in pink font all the time. Does that mean I'm totally Cleris?

Like cha pink is totallz the Clerii colurer yuh!! <333

The only part of that which is LTD relevant is showing that mourning someone's death != true love like the Clerii claim.

Well mourning and remembering is one thing, but for example the way Vincent does it is imo to the point of obssesion because of how strong his love is. I think if the level of Cloud's mourning is to an extreme level like Vincent's it would be closer to love than "just friends."

 

[Fairheartstrife]

It has flowers in it. This could either mean he loves Aerith (thus the flowers) or he's gay.

I usually go with the 'he's gay' conclusion, really.

Except there are no flowers at the end when Cloud is floating...

 

[Hinata Hyuga]

So is that what the rabid Clerith's say about Cloud's Promised Land? That it is Aerith's church? Or the puddle of water he woke up in?

So Cloud is a really big fan of either dilapidated buildings or .... hydration? A nice bath?

The church isn't Aerith. She's not gonna be just hanging around there. Or did they miss the part where Aerith departs? I know they want to claim that Cloud's Promised Land is basically Aerith, but really? Really. :/

 

[KissTheRain]

The church isn't Aerith. She's not gonna be just hanging around there.

Yes, but it is Aerith's. When you think of the church you don't think of some random building/church you know, but at least I think of Aerith. Oh and you know the Aerith in her church easter egg right?

 

[Fairheartstrife]

So is that what the rabid Clerith's say about Cloud's Promised Land? That it is Aerith's church? Or the puddle of water he woke up in?

So Cloud is a really big fan of either dilapidated buildings or .... hydration? A nice bath?

The church isn't Aerith. She's not gonna be just hanging around there. Or did they miss the part where Aerith departs? I know they want to claim that Cloud's Promised Land is basically Aerith, but really? Really. :/

First, LOL.

Second, they missed the point of ALL of compilation, so yeah, they're seeing him waking up in a pool of water as Aerith being his Promised Land--even though he just LEFT her and she walks AWAY from him...

Maybe it's like reverse psychology. The more it DOESN'T happen, the more it DOES... Hmmmmm....

 

[Dashell]

Even if it IS the church, the fact that Zack's sword is there surrounded by Aerith flowers... I mean that pretty much kills any thoughts that Aerith would be there waiting for Cloud.

And if his promised land was with Aerith, it would have said "The place where Cloud just left is his promised land."


and fuck well I went longer without viewing this thread than I expected myself to

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Where exactly is this quote? I'm kinda too busy to check 'cos I'm packing, but I'm burning with curiosity.

 

[Tennyo]

Well maybe I got the posts mixed up. But I remember making the argument that his friends and family (Tifa, Denzel, etc.) were his Promised land, but then there was a quote to the contrary that someone posted.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Zack's name being spoken has more to do with CC marketing + impact than it has with anything LTD-related.

Cloud is his living legacy. As such, he will be named in a pivotal scene where he gives him the strength to be the hero Zack inspired him to be/live his life for.

 

[Dashell]

Where exactly is this quote? I'm kinda too busy to check 'cos I'm packing, but I'm burning with curiosity.

The place where he awakens---
That is Cloud's Promised Land

As he sleeps, Cloud hears two voices. The voices of two people very dear to him, who are no longer with him. Playfully and kindly, they give him a message: he doesn't belong here yet.

When he awakes, there was his friends. There were the children, freed from their fatal illness. Tifa and Marlene, and Denzel asking for Cloud to heal his Geostigma-- his family were waiting. Engulfed in celebration, he realises where he is meant to live. He realises that he was able to forgive himself.

And when he turns around--- "she" is starting to leave. Together with the friend who had given Cloud his life. Cloud no longer has to suffer in loneliness... And so they too go back to where they belong.

Back to the current of life flowing around the planet---.

From this:

 

[DrakeClawfang]

The place where he awakens---
That is Cloud's Promised Land

As he sleeps, Cloud hears two voices. The voices of two people very dear to him, who are no longer with him. Playfully and kindly, they give him a message: "Finally you're here Cloud. Now we can have smexy threesomes".

Fixed.

 

[Tennyo]

Smexy three-somes? I'd be down with that.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Smexy three-somes? I'd be down with that.

So would they, oops...

 

[Madame Mayor]

Well mourning and remembering is one thing, but for example the way Vincent does it is imo to the point of obssesion because of how strong his love is. I think if the level of Cloud's mourning is to an extreme level like Vincent's it would be closer to love than "just friends."

Vincent is said to have loved her while she was alive though. The point is simply that mourning someone does not mean you are in love with them, even if it has a huge impact on the rest of your life like Zack and Aerith's deaths have on Cloud.

 

[Vendel]

Let's just break this down shall we?

The place where he awakens---
That is Cloud's Promised Land

Simple enough. When Cloud wakes up that is is promised land.

As he sleeps, Cloud hears two voices. The voices of two people very dear to him, who are no longer with him. Playfully and kindly, they give him a message: he doesn't belong here yet.

Two people very dear to him huh? Not one very dear to him and his buddy Zack? Almost like they are equally important in Cloud's mind.

When he awakes, there was his friends. There were the children, freed from their fatal illness. Tifa and Marlene, and Denzel asking for Cloud to heal his Geostigma-- his family were waiting. Engulfed in celebration, he realises where he is meant to live. He realises that he was able to forgive himself.

So Cloud wakes up and who is there? Well three groups are named. His friends. The children. Then his family. Which were named as Tifa, Marlene and Denzel. (wait does this mean his friends are most important since they are listed first?) Then it points out that he forgives himself and knows he belongs with these people. THAT is his promised land.

And when he turns around--- "she" is starting to leave. Together with the friend who had given Cloud his life. Cloud no longer has to suffer in loneliness... And so they too go back to where they belong.

Back to the current of life flowing around the planet---.

Aerith and Zack seeing that Cloud is now fine depart together back to the lifestream.


Conclusion? Cloud's story is over. He has lifted his self-doubt and his burden of guilt. Zack and Aerith have said goodbye. And now Cloud can live out his days happily with his family.

Second conclusion? Suck on it pinkers.

 

[Dashell]

So Cloud wakes up and who is there? Well three groups are named. His friends. The children. Then his family. Which were named as Tifa, Marlene and Denzel. (wait does this mean his friends are most important since they are listed first?) Then it points out that he forgives himself and knows he belongs with these people. THAT is his promised land.

THIS! I really don't like the argument that all of Avalanche is his family... if that's the case, who're his friends then? And if not all his friends are family where does the line between friends and family get drawn? Is Barret family? Is Vincent? He doesn't see Vincent as often as Barret. you tell me...

All this and more answered if Cleriths ever come here to debate...

 

[KissTheRain]

Well Que I do believe Tifa has some quote about her calling AVALANCHE a family full of friends so it could be the same iwith Cloud.

I think all of AVALANCHE is Cloud''s family and friends. For example, my best friend Naomi i've known most of my life so I consider her and her family my family even though I know they are just friends really.

And you already knew Cloud didn't have friends.

 

[Dashell]

But Vendel points out that his family was just named and it was Tifa, Denzel and Marlene. The rest are his friends. And it doesn't say his "people who are like family but aren't really" it was family and friends. If all of Avalanche is his family, who are his friends there? The other people we've never seen before?

 

[KissTheRain]

I'm telling you Que Cloud doesn't have friends. To me it's like Tifa, Cloud, Denzel, Marlene is the main family but the rest are the aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. who come to the bar for the Christmas parties.

 

[Dashell]

Which would work if it didn't say he was surrounded by friends too

 

[Vendel]

Cloud probably considers AVALANCHE like family(as Tifa does). But they are separated out from his true family. Which are his platonic collage roommate and a couple orphans he is burdened with.

 

[Ryushikaze]

But Vendel points out that his family was just named and it was Tifa, Denzel and Marlene. The rest are his friends. And it doesn't say his "people who are like family but aren't really" it was family and friends. If all of Avalanche is his family, who are his friends there? The other people we've never seen before?

Cloud's a popular man.

But seriously, friends obviously means AVALANCHE, since Cloud's family of 3 or 4 is limited at several points to those who live with him at 7th heaven.

You gotta be dead set against Cloud the family man to read family as meaning other than nuclear family, and friends as being the rest of AVALANCHE.

 

[Dashell]

So what about the quote where it says Barret returns to Midgar to help his family? Is that just talking about Marlene or... what do you guys think?

 

[Vendel]

So what about the quote where it says Barret returns to Midgar to help his family? Is that just talking about Marlene or... what do you guys think?

I don't think it really matters.