So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Ryushikaze]

You can't say all Cleriths are rabid, only the ones that attack you and push their beliefs on you like Christianity are rabid. If you like Clerith, why not just let them be.

KTR, the ones who 'attack and push' tend to be the same people who take the compilation as the tragic C/A love story at the expense of logic and coherency.

And yes, A, it would make Cloud a bitch. But then again, all can be forgiven in the name of holy pink lurve.

 

[Vendel]

You can't say all Cleriths are rabid, only the ones that attack you and push their beliefs on you like Christianity are rabid. If you like Clerith, why not just let them be.

Because they insist that it is the canon of the story. Because I see morons infest various sites around teh webs spouting verbatim Celrith.com essays and talking points.

And with new compilation titles you get some poor damn fool who doesn't know any better that gets sucked in by that nonsense.

 

[Isabella]

I think it was more than snuggling, but less than anything sexual. Maybe heavy petting and forehead kisses, sweet stuff ya know?

Just being nitpicky, but generally "heavy petting" will include heavy kissing. If a guy were feeling me up but just giving me little forehead kisses, I think I'd be a little confused.

But again I have to ask, why would "forehead kisses" be so embarrassing? Avalanche has already witnessed Tifa's feelings for Cloud, witnessed her freak out over losing him. She wasn't embarrassed then, as I recall.

And as FHS said, the embarrassment (on BOTH sides -- Cloud did his "I feel awkward" head scratch) isn't necessary unless the story is trying to emphasize something.

 

[Vendel]

And as FHS said, the embarrassment (on BOTH sides -- Cloud did his "I feel awkward" head scratch) isn't necessary unless the story is trying to emphasize something.

Bow-chicka-wow-wow

 

[KissTheRain]

KTR, the ones who 'attack and push' tend to be the same people who take the compilation as the tragic C/A love story at the expense of logic and coherency.

Because they insist that it is the canon of the story. Because I see morons infest various sites around teh webs spouting verbatim Celrith.com essays and talking points.

Thinking Clerith is canon does not make you rabid, attacking people in an attempt to change them to view your opinion is rabid. Debating is different then that too, that's a discussion, but youtards for example are 99% rabid because they shove their ideals down peoples throats rather than discussing why they think that way. /rant...

Anyways how is it that their are rabid Clotis too if Clerith=rabid. /:

Just being nitpicky, but generally "heavy petting" will include heavy kissing. If a guy were feeling me up but just giving me little forehead kisses

Sorry I meant light petting it just came out more naturally that way. Personally, Tifa getting embarresed for two seconds just came off as comic relief more than big importance to me.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I think to be a rabid Cloti, you have to be something akin to a radical.

To be a rabid Clerith, all you have to do is just...reject reality and substitute your own. Liking Clerith or prefering it doesn't make one a rabid, crazy shipper. It's the forsaking of reality and closing your eyes and ears to the truth of the Compilation that makes one rabid, which sadly there are a lot of.

It's like the crazy ass Ulquiorra/Orihime shippers who firmly believe that Ulquiorra and Orihime had a love affair and that Orihime loves him. It's fucking ridiculous.

 

[Vendel]

Thinking Clerith is canon does not make you rabid,

Well it makes you something.....

Anyways how is it that their are rabid Clotis too if Clerith=rabid. /:

Because clotis don't have to be rapid? You just have to quote creator statements etc. Thinking Clerith is Canon takes the mental gymnastics.

 

[Dashell]

To be a rabid Clerith, all you have to do is just...reject reality and substitute your own

You can say that about a lot of ships actually

Yeah Cleriths tend to think things IMPLY this or that. It's IMPLIED that Cloud and Aerith had a reunion in the flower field. It's IMPLIED that Cloud visits the Church a lot. It's IMPLIED that one of the creator statements means the exact opposite of what it means... actually that last one is just weird.

 

[KissTheRain]

Sorta kinda what Mako Eyes said, just since I don't think that their is a conclusion yet to the compilation (I know you all hate me U_U) thinking something is not rabid, but how you portray your thinking. Like with no solid evidence blatantly stating your opinion as canon is retarded, you need facts if you don't wanna be foaming from the mouth.

Well it makes you something.....

It makes you Clerith.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Sorta kinda what Mako Eyes said, just since I don't think that their is a conclusion yet to the compilation (I know you all hate me U_U) thinking something is not rabid, but how you portray your thinking. Like with no solid evidence blatantly stating your opinion as canon is retarded, you need facts if you don't wanna be foaming from the mouth.

Well the Compilation isn't over that's true. But barring some unforseen act of Nomura, Nojima and Kitase that completely contradicts their initial story writing and characterization, its pretty unlikely that Cloud's gonna suddenly stop loving Tifa, and they aren't going to be together. There isn't any ambiguity anymore. Ever. Cloud's together with Tifa *now*. That's who he's starting his life with and wants to be with.

10 years ago you could make a case for it being ambiguous in the original FFVII. But the universe has been expanded and its more than clear now that Cloud's eyes are on Tifa.

 

[KissTheRain]

I just simply think Cloud is single atm, until further notice. Yes, yes he is with Tifa raising a family, but until they get one of those Bella & Edward intro as a couple crap i'm just sticking with the more than friends less than lovers crap. Cloud loves her, but they aren't quite there yet. Feel free to disagree this is just my opinion this part nothing debatable. And (don't kill me) I think Cloud harbors feelings for love too, but they aren't obviously together and I'm not even sure if they ever were. You don't gotta be together to love though, I mean Vincent sure as fuck loved Lucrecia even though she left him for Hojo's saggy balls.

 

[Dashell]

Feel free to disagree this is just my opinion this part nothing debatable.

By that logic is my opinion was the sky was purple you wouldn't be able to debate it. (I'm assuming you meant we couldn't argue opinions right?)

 

[KissTheRain]

(I'm assuming you meant we couldn't argue opinions right?)

Yeah, I was just saying disgard that part of my part of the comment if you wanna do LTD because it's merely my opinion and it isn't really right to debate with that. /:

 

[Dashell]

well again, sky... purple... etc

But I'll leave it alone cause I like you

 

[Makoeyes987]

You've crossed over the opinion line and stated a contradictory fact

I could say its my opinion the world is square, and that wouldn't be an opinion. That's me making an assertion with no basis in fact.

An opinion would be "I don't like Cloud and Tifa together." Or, "I think Cloud and Tifa would be a hard couple to stay together." But denying the existence of their relationship is like saying "Jenova was controlling Sephiroth."

An opinion has to be a subjective. How you can say Cloud is single based on the overwhelming evidence to the contrary boggles my mind. There is nothing at all that shows or even hints that Cloud is living a single life. Not only that, but that makes Cloud look like an incredible jerk with no thought or care for Tifa and his family's feelings at all.

 

[looneymoon]

To be fair, the sky can turn purplish colours around sunset and such

Also, I evened out the poll so it's out of 100 voters

Just a question, has anyone encountered rabid Claeris' in real life before? Or do they get into rabid mode only when on the internet? Asking because at work the other day, FF7 came up in passing and my co-worker said something along the lines of "but Cloud doesn't get together with Tifa" (to which I didn't really respond as I've never heard anyone seriously claim that IRL). I don't assume she's a shipper or anything but perhaps she just cba to read any of the novellas or Ultimanias to get the story clear idk.

Anyways, it was still odd.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

It's like the crazy ass Ulquiorra/Orihime shippers who firmly believe that Ulquiorra and Orihime had a love affair and that Orihime loves him. It's fucking ridiculous.

I've seen some especially crazy shippers of that pair say that Ulquiorra was saving Orihime from her obsession with Ichigo and that she was going to convert to the bad side. Which is sort of the equivalent of saying that Sephiroth was actually trying to save Aerith by stabbing her.

I think you can be a perfectly sane person who likes Clerith because that doesn't exclude you accepting Cloud/Tifa. Doesn't mean you believe Cloud ran off to have flowerfield sex or anything, really...

 

[Fairheartstrife]

I think you can be a perfectly sane person who likes Clerith because that doesn't exclude you accepting Cloud/Tifa. Doesn't mean you believe Cloud ran off to have flowerfield sex or anything, really...

This here is the biggest problem, I think. There is nothing wrong with liking Clerith or even preferring it, but to declare it as the "canon" relationship is ridiculous given compilation and creator statements.

There are a lot of "shippers" that somehow feel that if their favored pairing isn't "canon" it makes it "less than" which isn't the case. "Shipping" has nothing to do with the canon material in any way-- other than to give you the characters to 'ship.

I'm a perfectly sane person that believes Cloti is canon, but I do 'ship Tifa and Zack . It's my second favorite pairing, and my favorite "fanon", but you won't see me arguing for its position as "canon".

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

I don't understand how 'canon' makes a couple inferior or superior. I fanonly ship Harry/Luna, and he married someone else/didn't seem interested in Luna romantically. I fanonly ship Conrad and Yuuri from Kyou Kara Maou! because he's been engaged to another dude since episode one. But I know they're with other people and those other couples are just fine with me.

 

[Isabella]

There is nothing wrong with liking Clerith or even preferring it, but to declare it as the "canon" relationship is ridiculous given compilation and creator statements.

Though in all fairness, I don't see a lot of Cleriths claiming canon anymore. Most of them just say there's no canon couple.

Though denying Cloud and Tifa got together boggles my mind. It's so obvious to me. It is possible to accept they end up together and still believe Cloud loved Aerith, but I guess that isn't enough for some fans. They have to tear down what Cloud and Tifa have in order to build up their own ship.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Though in all fairness, I don't see a lot of Cleriths claiming canon anymore. Most of them just say there's no canon couple.

Though denying Cloud and Tifa got together boggles my mind. It's so obvious to me. It is possible to accept they end up together and still believe Cloud loved Aerith, but I guess that isn't enough for some fans. They have to tear down what Cloud and Tifa have in order to build up their own ship.

There are still a number of Cleriths that claim canon, but I've also seen a shift in "debate" where the argument is now that there is "no confirmed canon" pairing. But given the astronomical amount of evidence for the CloudxTifa relationship, they really don't have much choice but to try and alter their stance a bit. It's like holding off an avalanche with a frou-frou drink umbrella though...

The biggest problem with teh Cloud x Aerith pairing, is that for it to "be" both characters must be the most selfish, douchbag fucktards on Gaia.

 

[Dashell]

Hell even Susan FF Goddess recently said that Cloud is happy with Tifa and his family. I shat like 10 bricks when I read it and yes, she doesn't believe they're in a romantic relationship, but that... that says something about where Cleriths currently stand. It's a pretty big change to go from "Nah he left Tifa cause he wasn't happy with her!" to "Well he's happy with her, but still not romantically involved." To continue to say Cloud isn't happy with Tifa in any type of relationship is just ludicrous.

Though in all fairness, I don't see a lot of Cleriths claiming canon anymore.

Yeah and a lot of them used to be "If Cloti turned out to be canon, I'd be done with FF forever!" and now it's like "Well it'd be okay, I'd still buy FF, just be disappointed."

They know, and they know they know, and they know we know, they just don't want to admit it. Maybe they will someday... stranger things have happened.

 

[KissTheRain]

It is possible to accept they end up together and still believe Cloud loved Aerith, but I guess that isn't enough for some fans.

The problem with declaring something canon is it could take some of the appeal out of the relationship. Like in AC/C if Cloud didn't love Aerith anymore all their meetings and imaginary flower time wouldn't be real so it takes away from the couple. For Cloud to love Aerith and then get over her would make the couple less appealing, for example say Vincent moved on with some random broad and said to hell with Lucrecia I don't think the couple would be as lovely.

but I do 'ship Tifa and Zack . It's my second favorite pairing, and my favorite "fanon", but you won't see me arguing for its position as "canon".

What you don't think Fack is canon? O:< How the hell did you become Admin at LH then?

The biggest problem with teh Cloud x Aerith pairing, is that for it to "be" both characters must be the most selfish, douchbag fucktards on Gaia.

Please explain my dear.

 

[Dashell]

Cloud rejecting Tifa to the point where she cries ,to the point where she's humiliated the next day about how hard she cried.... and then Cloud says to her two days later "I wanna start a new life with you."...

that doesn't make him seem like a selfish douchbag fucktard?

 

[Username]

what the hell.... kermit or kermot however u spell him, cant u get a better picture?