So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Fairheartstrife]

What you don't think Fack is canon? O:< How the hell did you become Admin at LH then?

Uh, I was invited to be admin because I "'ship" the pair. NOT because I'm deluded enough to think it's canon.

Please explain my dear.

For Cloud and Aerith to work as a couple-- given what we know in compilation-- then Aerith MUST be a completely selfish twat with little regard to actual emotions, given what she and Zack shared based on Crisis Core. For Clerith to work, she must know the "real" Cloud, which we all know she doesn't, but even ignoring that being the case, she has to ignore his "issues", the "other" female traveling companion that has romantic interest, and completely blow off Zack as being irrelevant. And Cloud has to brush off the person that has been his anchor since he was mind-fucked numb at a train station, and ignore the fact that he was so hard up for her as a teenager he went off to become her personal hero... He also has to completely disregard Zack and THAT sacrifice. "Hey buddy, thanks for taking about a thousand bullets for me...you, uh, don't mind if I toss your girlfriend's pink panties and give her a ride on the Buster Sword, huh? I'll even use your finishing move. " NOT TO MENTION what kind of total assclown he would be in regards to the children and family.

Yeah, they have to be cruel and fucked up people to want to be together given compilation.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Cloud rejecting Tifa to the point where she cries ,to the point where she's humiliated the next day about how hard she cried.... and then Cloud says to her two days later "I wanna start a new life with you."...

that doesn't make him seem like a selfish douchbag fucktard?

Well, that's okay, because Tifa's a slut and she deserves it.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Well, that's okay, because Tifa's a slut and she deserves it.

Totally.

I mean, did you see what she was wearing?

 

[KissTheRain]

Uh, I was invited to be admin because I "'ship" the pair. NOT because I'm deluded enough to think it's canon.

I was only kidding, I don't think there are actually people that thought Fack was a real couple.

Oh and I enjoyed reading your explanation on the matter of fucktards.

I mean, did you see what she was wearing?

Because that's completely what characters are based on not the fact she is just about one of the shyest girls in FF history, but none of that matters because she stole Cloud from Aerith like a ho.

 

[Splintered]

I guess I'm the only Cloti around here that thinks that there is no official pairing. I don't have to think that CloudTifa is canon, I just honestly think that Cloud/Tifa make a better, more satisfying, and more realistic relationship than Cloud/Aerith. Sometimes it seems that CA is trying to Twilightize their relationship, ie destroying any true character depth to make some sort of fantastical/fanatical true love 4evar, might as well kill oneself if can't be with another kind of story. Every goddamn spin off has somehow become romantic. Kingdom Hearts? It's not about struggling for rebuilding their home and Cloud trying to find strength to fight his inner darkness! It's about romance! Tactics? Romance! Dissidia? Romance Duh!!11

You would think that the universe was never in so much peril as the potential for some Cloud sexing.

Character rapage drives me insane. It's one of the few reasons I stay writing tl;drs in this thread. Things like

Cloud is unhappy and hates his family, he wants to waste away forever, sighing sadly and gazing longingly into the air until he can fulfill his true purpose and have dirty undead sex.

And

Tifa is such a dirty whore, she pushed Cloud to actually try to stop him from running away from his problems.

 

[Dashell]

What makes you think Cloud and Tifa is NOT an official couple?

 

[Splintered]

What makes you think Cloud and Tifa is NOT an official couple?

Oh hoh, I'm going to start another canon vs no canon debate. Have it at ye. D:

SE's intent. When it comes to mentions of romance and love, SE at least tries to be vague as possible. Our best evidence was a guy saying that he would NOT talk about his views on love or marriage.

I just don't think SE will want to destroy a good thing/mindless discussions and flamewars or alienate fans by ever setting things into stone. Instead they are going to throw heavy hints, continue to steer away from ever using Cloud's POV in a compilation form, and give FFVII cameos with ambiguous roles.

That's why we can continue to enjoy the nerdrage as it expands all over the internet, youtube, forum, whatevers. It's what they want because discussion keeps the fans into the universe. Why the hell would they ever want to fix what's not broke?

Also, I neither think "no canon" believers are either all Cloud/Aerith fans desperately seeking any kind of hope or pussies who don't want to rock the boat. I think they just don't think SE is will state a canon coupling and that's all there is to it.

 

[Dashell]

I just don't see how people can say there's no canon couple.... I don't really feel like reciting the facts again and I'm sure Mako or Ryu can do it better but.. what do you need exactly? A kiss scene? A Marriage?

Nomura and Nojima said Cloud and Tifa belong together. They've referred to their relationship, talked about marriage and love and then talked about Aerith as a hypothetical. Tifa has a romantic lover... WHO ELSE IS IT GONNA BE? They're raising a bloody family together. Would you be okay with YOUR SO raising a family with someone? They've said Cloud is her ideal love

WHAT
DO
YOU
NEED?

 

[Splintered]

I just don't see how people can say there's no canon couple.... I don't really feel like reciting the facts again and I'm sure Mako or Ryu can do it better but.. what do you need exactly? A kiss scene? A Marriage?

No. Not really.

Maybe for a creator to finally stop being so passive aggressive and go, "Hey, they are together. They are in a mutual romantic relationship." Or a truly definitive scene that shows their relationship in a truly romantic light post FFVII. I'm not arguing that there isn't romance between them, there's clearly that sexual tension and evidence. But like I said, everything is so vague, and the vagueness is done intentionally so fans can infer what they wish. Or at least wrote in a way that there is wiggle room for varying interpretations.

I've seen the facts, and I'm very much impressed and all that. And I have no doubt Ryu will come with an ultimate post to destroy all my arguments or something. But ten (?) years in the fandom and this is the vibe I keep on getting.

It's not like I'm intentionally closing my eyes screaming "NO I DON'T WANNA SEE IT!!11" and then pressing back button, and going to strange websites with huge essays to reaffirm my beliefs. I love Cloud/Tifa, if Nomura came out tapdancing and saying "Yes, Cloti is canon" (tap dancing because who wouldn't want to see that) that would be awesome. Internet fucking party. But it hasn't happened yet, we've got passive aggressive bullshiting answers and a couple of novels that have the word "koibito."

 

[Dashell]

WHAT PART OF CLOUD AND TIFA BELONG TOGETHER IS VAGUE?

 

[Ryushikaze]

Why do we need a 'press release' for FF7? All the other ffs got along just fine without them, and C/T are more progressed than most all other Alpha pairings and equal to a lot of the beta pairings.

What sort of evidence, really, do we need?

 

[Splintered]

WHAT PART OF CLOUD AND TIFA BELONG TOGETHER IS VAGUE?

Hey, nice capslocks.

The part that says, "Hey, they have successful entered a mutual romantic relationship in every sense of the word." Cloud and Tifa clearly fell for each other during their promise, but the problems when both personalities are so shy that they never did anything to that extent. Why Tifa rarely tried to throw romantic hints to Cloud, even when Aerith was around.

You could argue the fact that both Aerith and Cloud liked each other, albiet that is very shaky ground, but it's clear from disk one that they didn't have a romantic relationship. That's why the whole "koibito" thing from COL is bullshit, we saw every significant moment with Aerith and Cloud's interaction and none of it ever progressed to the point where you could call it "lover."

CoT was definitely proCloudTifa, but it seemed to me that there was a lot of tip toeing around the true nature of Cloud and Tifa. It made it seem that they developed a strong familial structure, but it could have happened without them actually becoming boyfriend/girlfriend or what have you.

I mean, it's probable that they did. But you can't disagree that it's ENTIRETY out the realm of possibility that they didn't.

If SE and the team really wanted to, they could have set Cloud and Tifa in stone, with gold trimming. They didn't, and they didn't for a reason.

Why do we need a 'press release' for FF7? All the other ffs got along just fine without them, and C/T are more progressed than most all other Alpha pairings and equal to a lot of the beta pairings.

Because most of the other couples aren't engaged in a heated ltd that has been nothing encouraged the past decade, and that the rival pairing has had enough evidence to be considered an official pairing as well, if the other hadn't existed?

 

[Dashell]

... what? O_o

I don't think you answered my question and now I'm confused

 

[Splintered]

... what? O_o

huh?

 

[Dashell]

Okay sorry see my edit XD
I didn't understand your answer to my question... but I think I get it now.

 

[Splintered]

Okay sorry see my edit XD
I didn't understand your answer to my question... but I think I get it now.

Now I'm confused D:

This arguement really just boils down to, what do you think SE is trying to say, and do you take the interviews with a grain of salt. Personally, I take whatever they dish out drowned in a sea of salt.

It's not like I don't get what you guys are saying. I really, really do. But I guess it just takes more for me.

 

[Dashell]

Can I just ask... would you be okay with your SO living with someone of the opposite gender raising a family?

 

[Splintered]

Can I just ask... would you be okay with your SO living with someone of the opposite gender raising a family?

Generally no. But if I was dead. Yes.

 

[Dashell]

Okay, so yes you're alive and your SO is doing that let's say... why would that bother you?

 

[Ryushikaze]

Splintered, the real question is this- in numerous other instances, the evidence for C/T would be considered OVERWHELMING. Why, here, in FF7, is it NOT sufficient?

 

[Splintered]

Okay, so yes you're alive and your SO is doing that let's say... why would that bother you?

Only if we didn't have a threesome.

Hey-yo.

 

[Dashell]

But you see... Cloud and Tifa are raising a family together and living together... how does that not spell couple to you?

 

[Isabella]

I guess it's not enough evidence because it doesn't convince everybody?

In the same way that evolution doesn't convince everybody?

 

[Dashell]

I can understand it NOT convincing the Cleriths but I can't understand these "neutrals" who say there's tons of evidence both ways. Then when I ask for some Clerithy evidence they don't give me any... that's what I don't get.
EDIT:
Never mind

 

[Isabella]

I'm not an atheist. But I don't think we should bring religion into this. The topic is heated enough as it is.