So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Dashell]

Okay where is that from? I've seen several people post it... what is it from?

 

[Frostwave]

If Cloud teared up a bit, shed some tears when Aerith got skewered right in front of him, I wouldn't blame the dude. Shit's fucked up. Course, the graphics make it hard to tell, and he did seem pretty angry, with the way he yelled at Sephiroth.

But SOBBING? Uh, no.

 

[Zee]

4chan. Most of the things Vines and I post are from there actually lol

 

[Fairheartstrife]

What part of his speech makes you think he's in a rage?

Oh... I don't know, THIS:

"My fingers are tingling.
My mouth is dry.
My eyes are burning!" <-- (I took these as sadness and anger, not wrenching, sobbing grief)

(Sephiroth moves for the first time. He slowly lowers his arms and looks
at Cloud.)

Sephiroth
"What are you saying? Are you trying to tell me you have feelings
too?"

(Cloud quickly stands up to face Sephiroth.)

Cloud
"Of course! Who do you think I am!?"

(Sephiroth starts to laugh.)

Sephiroth
"Ha, ha, ha...... Stop acting as if you were sad."
"There's no need to act as though you're angry either."

Nevermind, you're buying into fanfic!Cloud rather than the person he's portrayed to be. cuz he's so crawwwwliiin in my skiiiinn

Yeah, totally.

I have no problem with Cloud crying over Aerith, but the fact is--he didn't.

 

[Winter]

IT HAD TO BE DONE

Que google "shit was so cash"

 

[Zee]

I have no problem with Cloud crying over Aerith, but the fact is--he didn't.

Where is this "fact", please.

Also:

"My fingers are tingling.
My mouth is dry.
My eyes are burning!"

Have you seriously never cried before in your whole life? You'd think you'd know it when it was described to you.

 

[Makoeyes987]

If Cloud teared up a bit, shed a few tears when Aerith got skewered right in front of him, I wouldn't blame the dude. Shit's fucked up. Course, the graphics make it hard to tell, and he did seem pretty angry, with the way he yelled at Sephiroth.

But SOBBING? Uh, no.

I don't think he sobbed either. He probably cried, but he was clearly shaking from rage even more.

...Shut up. The cycle of nature and your stupid plan don't mean a thing.
Aerith is gone. Aerith will no longer talk, no longer laugh, cry...... or get
angry...... What about us...... what are WE supposed to do? What about my pain?
My fingers are tingling. My mouth is dry. My eyes are burning!

For one, that's awfully coherent and clear for someone who is sobbing. And the sensations he's talking about sound like someone who's on the fit of lashing out in a fit of righteous rage and anger, not someone about to break down and weep.

If Tifa's in your party you can clearly see what weeping would look like, versus Cloud's fist trembling. Sephiroth wouldn't mention Cloud not having to act angry either, if he weren't.

It seems some people are again... building up what they want to believe, regardless of what the story has to say on the matter. Cloud didn't break down and sob. He was angry. Sad but also angry and ready to lash out and fight.

 

[Zee]

For one, that's awfully coherent and clear for someone who is sobbing. And the sensations he's talking about sound like someone who's on the fit of lashing out in a fit of righteous rage and anger, not someone about to break down and weep.

It's not voice acted-- however coherent he does or doesn't sound is all in your head.

If Tifa's in your party you can clearly see what weeping would look like, versus Cloud's fist trembling.

Or it could just be that characters handle grief differently.

 

[Frostwave]

Also:

"My fingers are tingling.
My mouth is dry.
My eyes are burning!"

Have you seriously never cried before in your whole life? You'd think you'd know it when it was described to you.

I don't know about the other people here, but when I cry, my fingers don't tingle and my mouth doesn't go dry. And I've never had anyone else tell me this happens to them.

Or it could just be that characters handle grief differently.

Yeah, one by sobbing and one by not sobbing.

 

[Dashell]

Didn't Nomura say he would have a hard time doing that scene in an FFVII remake because of Cloud crying? Or something to that effect.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Where is this "fact", please.

The "fact" is in the scene. I've played the game a few times and that scene never plays out as one of Cloud weeping. Sorry if that puts your panties in a bunch, but it is what it is. But I'm also not entirely closed minded. So, show me he did sob. **shrug** I took his shaking to be that of adrenaline infused emotions (sadness, anger, rage) NOT of hopeless sobbing. But if you can show me where I'm wrong, please, point it out.

 

[Makoeyes987]

It's not voice acted-- however coherent he does or doesn't sound is all in your head.



Or it could just be that characters handle grief differently.

There's hardly any pause or written cue to indicate sobbing or stifiled speech which would indicate one going through a sobbing fit. Just because it's textual doesn't mean it can't convey emotion.

And again.

Sephiroth: What are you saying? Are you trying to tell me you have feelings too?

Cloud: Of course! Who do you think I am!?

Sephiroth: Ha, ha, ha...... Stop acting as if you were sad. There's no need to
act as though you're angry either. Because, Cloud. You are...

Those feelings you're attributing to "sobbing" are clearly anger. Cloud was angry, not sobbing his eyes out. That's just a fact. He didn't start weeping while holding Aerith, especially when he's shaking a fist uncontrollably at the situation.

 

[Kikyou]

Where is this "fact", please.

/raiseshand

SIR, what is a FACT and is it TASTY and DIGESTIBLE? I do not have one in my possession and is it MANDATORY? Also for how many USD?

 

[Zee]

I don't know about the other people here, but when I cry, my fingers don't tingle and my mouth doesn't go dry. And I've never had anyone else tell me this happens to them.

It's happened to me before, actually, in a state of shock when crying. Your eyes usually burn when you try to force back your tears, you body starts to tingle and shake. That's not just a baww I'm crying, it's more like a full oh OHGODSOOOOOOOBB

also i just saw this

You can keep you wimpy ass, sobbing version of Cloud. I'll take Compilation's, Kay? Thnx.

Wow you're right, sobbing over someone you cared about dying in front of you is so whimpy, Cloud would be a faggot if he did that gawdz

 

[Makoeyes987]

Didn't Nomura say he would have a hard time doing that scene in an FFVII remake because of Cloud crying? Or something to that effect.

Why must you make up "Didn't Nomura say" quotes at the most inopportune times...?

Wow you're right, sobbing over someone you cared about dying in front of you is so whimpy, Cloud would be a faggot if he did that gawdz

Yeah, but where's the sobbing if he did? All those actions you attribute to sobbing are anger.

Those sensations are not common to crying and even Sephiroth comments on Cloud's anger.

If all those actions he did were just him sobbing, where in the scene is he angry?

There's an inconsistency with the whole "Cloud is sobbing!!!!" argument here.

 

[Zee]

Christ, you people have some skewed visions of grief. Sobbin, crying, generally being upset when you see someone sliced right in front of you is not a sign of weakness, it's a natural human reaction. Naturally he's angry as well, but that doesn't quite overshadow the OHSHIT SOMEONE JUST DIED

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Wow you're right, sobbing over someone you cared about dying in front of you is so whimpy, Cloud would be a faggot if he did that gawdz

Since I've actually had people I care about die right in front of me, all too recently, I can honestly tell you that sobbing isn't the primary response. Shock is. And yes, that includes trembling, burning eyes and a dry mouth. The sobbing comes later.

For reference.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Christ, you people have some skewed visions of grief. Sobbin, crying, generally being upset when you see someone sliced right in front of you is not a sign of weakness, it's a natural human reaction.

Don't know who said it was necessarily weak, but the fact is, he didn't

He was upset, but it translated more as anger and rage, before it became full blown crying.

 

[Isabella]

Didn't Nomura say he would have a hard time doing that scene in an FFVII remake because of Cloud crying? Or something to that effect.

I believe he said it would be hard emotionally for HIM -- Nomura.

But, seriously y'all, are you arguing about whether Cloud cried or not again?

... How does this apply to the LTD at all? Sometimes I think you guys would argue over the difference between six and half-dozen.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I believe he said it would be hard emotionally for HIM -- Nomura.

But, seriously y'all, are you arguing about whether Cloud cried or not again?

... How does this apply to the LTD at all? Sometimes I think you guys would argue over the difference between six and half-dozen.

Says the woman who was conveniently gone when the thread was actually alive. WE'LL ARGUE OVER WHAT WE WANT, M'LADY.

 

[Zee]

... How does this apply to the LTD at all?

'Cause admitting he was sad over her death is another one of those things that's just as horrible as saying they loved each other.

Since I've actually had people I care about die right in front of me, all too recently, I can honestly tell you that sobbing isn't the primary response. Shock is. And yes, that includes trembling, burning eyes and a dry mouth. The sobbing comes later.

So after his trembling, dry mouth, and burning eyes he did sob. Thank you.

 

[Makoeyes987]

More like people just don't feel like having people say shit about the narrative that wasn't there...or maybe that's just me

 

[Sunstrider]

Iunno. I don't think Cloud's some pussy who wept womanly tears after watching Beaches or anything, but I don't think he's this badass motherfucker whose manly tears are so rare they can cure cancer either. I mean, the dude let a chick dress him up like a woman and was all "Let's mosey" at the end of the game.

That said, there's not really conclusive proof that he cried. Rage, for sure. Sadness, yeah. But sobbing? No dice. Point is, it was an emotional moment for him. He was devastated, as everyone there probably was to at least some degree. It doesn't really matter whether or not he was weeping. He didn't weep buckets when he thought Tifa was a goner in Ze Flashback either.

Zee, bb. You know I came here for you. Where's my five doller for the other night?

 

[Fairheartstrife]

'Cause admitting he was sad over her death is another one of those things that's just as horrible as saying they loved each other.

NO ONE is saying he wasn't sad. WTF, please learn to comprehend. We are saying he WASN'T SOBBING. Total difference. Christ, you'd think the way you "Oh mah gawdz guys, you should get what I mean in my posts even if I don't articulate it properly" would at LEAST get what we ARE articulating properly.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Iunno. I don't think Cloud's some pussy who wept womanly tears after watching Beaches or anything, but I don't think he's this badass motherfucker whose manly tears are so rare they can cure cancer either. I mean, the dude let a chick dress him up like a woman and was all "Let's mosey" at the end of the game.

That said, there's not really conclusive proof that he cried. Rage, for sure. Sadness, yeah. But sobbing? No dice. Point is, it was an emotional moment for him. He was devastated, as everyone there probably was to at least some degree. It doesn't really matter whether or not he was weeping. He didn't weep buckets when he thought Tifa was a goner in Ze Flashback either.

This x1000.