So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Zee]

Zee, bb. You know I came here for you. Where's my five doller for the other night?

No bb you pay me twenty.

Regardless of "inconclusive" proof, though, I don't think it's a horrible stretch to say he cried, or was crying, during the time of her death.

NO ONE is saying he wasn't sad. WTF, please learn to comprehend. We are saying he WASN'T SOBBING. Total difference. Christ, you'd think the way you "Oh mah gawdz guys, you should get what I mean in my posts even if I don't articulate it properly" would at LEAST get what we ARE articulating properly.

So despite being devastated and upset in the death of the moment of her death, the idea of him crying is unfathomable. Right. Kay.

And actually, I articulated them just fine. It was actually only the one post where I word-replace, so. <3

 

[Isabella]

Cloud was devastated by Aerith's death. Whether he cried, raged, or went numb, it doesn't matter. But being devastated by her death doesn't mean he was in love with her. So I see it as a moot point from every angle.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Crying =/= sobbing. I'm sure he cried a little, but he didn't go into full blown sobbing. It was rage. Tear filled rage.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

So after his trembling, dry mouth, and burning eyes he did sob. Thank you.

Yeah...that was totally my point... **sigh** Your skills at comprehension and narrative relation are astounding. O.O Seriously, you should totally bottle up that genius and sell it! You could call it "Oblivious" and make a fortune!

 

[Winter]

Yeah, but where's the sobbing if he did? All those actions you attribute to sobbing are anger.

Those sensations are not common to crying and even Sephiroth comments on Cloud's anger.

Okay seriously my eyes have never burned in anger. It's the sensation of tears forming, I believe.

Iunno. I don't think Cloud's some pussy who wept womanly tears after watching Beaches or anything, but I don't think he's this badass motherfucker whose manly tears are so rare they can cure cancer either. I mean, the dude let a chick dress him up like a woman and was all "Let's mosey" at the end of the game.

Ahaha so much yes.

 

[Zee]

Yeah...that was totally my point... **sigh** Your skills at comprehension and narrative relation are astounding. O.O Seriously, you should totally bottle up that genius and sell it! You could call it "Oblivious" and make a fortune!

/golf clap

 

[Makoeyes987]

Okay seriously my eyes have never burned in anger. It's the sensation of tears forming, I believe.

Spoiler: Mine have..reading this very thread.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Crying? Well...

What about us...... what are WE supposed to do? What about my pain? My fingers are tingling. My mouth is dry. My eyes are burning!

I dunno, maybe that's supposed to indicate crying. Given the graphics they couldn't have shown Cloud crying even if they'd wanted to, so they had to turn to dialogue to better describe the situation.

As for anger, no duh. I hate Sesshiroth's "Chosen one-Promised Land" speeches as they are, if I watched him kill one of my would-be girlfriends ten seconds beforehand I'd be pretty pissed too. Like Cloud said:

"...shut up. The cycle of nature and your stupid plan don't mean a thing. Aeris is gone."

 

[Makoeyes987]

Crying? Well...



I dunno, maybe that's supposed to indicate crying. Given the graphics they couldn't have shown Cloud crying even if they'd wanted to, so they had to turn to dialogue to better describe the situation.

But again, that dialogue and its coherency doesn't indicate one going through a sobbing fit, especially when other characters are clearly able to be shown sobbing or crying heavily through dialogue. And if those actions are him sobbing...where's the "acting as if you're angry?"

No one's saying he didn't cry, but crying =/= sobbing. Cloud didn't sob when his village burned down, his mother was killed, and Tifa was nearly killed. He didn't cry, he got mad. Very mad. Him melting into a puddle of sobs is not in his character. Him acting out in rage however, is.

 

[Sunstrider]

No bb you pay me twenty.

All I have is fifty cent and a taco.

Cloud was devastated by Aerith's death. Whether he cried, raged, or went numb, it doesn't matter. But being devastated by her death doesn't mean he was in love with her. So I see it as a moot point from every angle.

FTW. Bella gets my taco.

 

[Zee]

And if those actions are him sobbing...where's the "acting as if you're angry?"

Clearly it's impossible to cry and be angry.

 

[Makoeyes987]

More like attributing his actions of rage to sobbing, completely removes the actions that are indicative of anger, thus invalidating Sephiroth's observations on his reaction.

You still seem to be stuck on the sobbing = crying, thing. Again. It's not. Cloud didn't lose control and start weeping uncontrolably.

 

[KissTheRain]

But being devastated by her death doesn't mean he was in love with her.

I'm sorry, but is that just a statement regarding this is the LTD thread because I don't think i've seen Zee mention Cloud sobbing,crying, w/e the fuck about Aerith was romantic just she simply said it. /:

I dunno, maybe that's supposed to indicate crying. Given the graphics they couldn't have shown Cloud crying even if they'd wanted to, so they had to turn to dialogue to better describe the situation.

The expression on Cloud during it reminded me of Zack's death where he was near tears, but not quite there though he still had the shaking, tingling, burning you know.

 

[Kikyou]

I'm sorry, but is that just a statement regarding this is the LTD thread because I don't think i've seen Zee mention Cloud sobbing,crying, w/e the fuck about Aerith was romantic just she simply said it. /:


The expression on Cloud during it reminded me of Zack's death where he was near tears, but not quite there though he still had the shaking, tingling, burning you know.

... equating to Clack, yus?

 

[Makoeyes987]

The expression on Cloud during it reminded me of Zack's death where he was near tears, but not quite there though he still had the shaking, tingling, burning you know.

In the original FFVII, Cloud was on his knees, holding his head in his hands shaking before finally looking up at the sky and giving the impression he was screaming.

That's no where near the same thing he illustrated or talked about when Aerith died. He looked like he had lost his mind and was screaming his lungs out, which was translated over into Crisis Core.

 

[Isabella]

I'm sorry, but is that just a statement regarding this is the LTD thread because I don't think i've seen Zee mention Cloud sobbing,crying, w/e the fuck about Aerith was romantic just she simply said it. /:

No, it was not aimed at Zee, it was aimed at the many times I've seen it argued that Cloud's tears = PROOFZ he loves Aerith. Often when you ask a Clerith for proof of Cloud's romantic love, they'll cite the death scene.

 

[KissTheRain]

No, it was not aimed at Zee, it was aimed at the many times I've seen it argued that Cloud's tears = PROOFZ he loves Aerith. Often when you ask a Clerith for proof of Cloud's romantic love, they'll cite the death scene.

Oh okay, and sorry if i came off as a bit of a bitch I was just curious if you were generalizing, but I suppose this is the LTD thread and usually when you talk about C and A together or C and T together it is romantic I suppose.

 

[Zee]

You still seem to be stuck on the sobbing = crying, thing. Again. It's not. Cloud didn't lose control and start weeping uncontrolably.

...Uncontrollably.

 

[Isabella]

Oh okay, and sorry if i came off as a bit of a bitch I was just curious if you were generalizing, but I suppose this is the LTD thread and usually when you talk about C and A together or C and T together it is romantic I suppose.

The "was Cloud crying" argument pops up every couple of months in any long-running LTD thread, and I WTF every single time because it seems so irrelevant to me. If you're a nerd for minute details -- like some I shall not name -- then maybe it matters, but it really has no effect on the overall story, which is what I'm more interested in.

 

[Makoeyes987]

...Uncontrollably.

Oh wow, you can catch spelling mistakes! You're special.

The "was Cloud crying" argument pops up every couple of months in any long-running LTD thread, and I WTF every single time because it seems so irrelevant to me. If you're a nerd for minute details -- like some I shall not name -- then maybe it matters, but it really has no effect on the overall story, which is what I'm more interested in.

Well I'm a nerd for story consistency and refuting events that don't happen in the story.

 

[Shadowfox]

Yes, because he was an outcast. I guess "picked on" weren't the right words since Square never spoonfed us this information, but he was an outcast and instigated fights because he didn't fit in.

I don't think he fought the others because he was an outcast and didn't fit in, otherwise he would've been fighting with them right from the beginning.

Kid Cloud: Tifa was in a coma for seven days. We all thought she wouldn't make
it. If only I could've saved her... I was so angry... Angry at myself for my
weakness. Ever since then, I felt Tifa blamed me... I got out of control... I'd
get into fights not even caring who it was. That was the first time I heard
about Sephiroth. If I got strong like Sephiroth, then everyone might...

From this, it sounded more like he picked fights with those kids because he was angry at himself for his self-perceived weakness and inability to save Tifa, and because he thought that Tifa herself blamed him.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Yeah, lil'-victim-Cloud makes no sense and is another one of those stupid fandom assumptions/rumors that just won't die. He was an angry kid. Not a victim of bullying.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I have a question.

Canonically, during any part of the original FF7 game, was there any love triangle to begin with?

 

[Zee]

Oh wow, you can catch spelling mistakes. You're special.

Nah bro I just speak English.

Also you should note that you seem to equate sobbing with crying, as Drake posted that he thought Cloud cried and you responded with "But again, that dialogue and its coherency doesn't indicate one going through a sobbing fit..."

However earlier you said,

"Crying =/= sobbing. I'm sure he cried a little, but he didn't go into full blown sobbing. It was rage. Tear filled rage."

So what's the deal there sir?

 

[Makoeyes987]

I have a question.

Canonically, during any part of the original FF7 game, was there any love triangle to begin with?

And I have an answer... </Kadaj>

Probably Disc 1, since that's when most of the whole affection stuff went on. And we all know the truth behind that one

Or rather..most do but a few diehards refuse to accept Cloud wasn't himself and thus acting on a broken, and confused ego.