So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Madame Mayor]

I think it's more that this person doesn't understand what canon is. If they say the idea for the canon is Cloud and Tifa to be together, that's the canon. If you decide you want to interpret it differently, that's up to you, but that doesn't change the canon, it just changes your own personal view of the story.

May I ask where this debate is going on?

 

[Ryushikaze]

This is... weird this is kinda the opposite of how it usually goes. Usually the Cleriths throw stuff at Clotis showing Cloud loved Aerith and Clotis say, "Yeah but Cloud was messed up then, he wasn't himself." this is the first time I've shown someone that Cloud loved Tifa and had THEM say, "Well Cloud was messed up then, he wasn't himself."

I was like, "NO WAI!"
And I pointed out the highwind scene AFTER he found himself and how he went off to join soldier because of her and so on... he wasn't messed up at those points.


I guess this person didn't know when the Ultimania's were released
Maybe I'm being unfair, this isn't a Final Fantasy board so this guy doesn't know as much... but still blah, Ultimanias were released after the game...

Oh, fucking hell death of the author motherfuckers. ASININE POSTMODERNIST CONCEPT!

 

[Dashell]

May I ask where this debate is going on?

I would but I don't want a bunch of you to go in there and start a debate. I Just started a weird topic (if you can believe that) on another forum that ended up as a love triangle FFVII thread. Or a "Did Cloud love Tifa" thread.

I think it's more that this person doesn't understand what canon is.

Which is what I pointed out... there's a different between "Cloud and Tifa is canon but I still like Cloud x Yuffie." and "Cloud and Yuffie is the couple and that's how I interpreted the game..."

Oh, fucking hell death of the author motherfuckers. ASININE POSTMODERNIST CONCEPT!

OH dear I broke Ryu
I gotta stop doing that.

 

[Madame Mayor]

Oh, I'm not in the mood for a debate, I was just curious. XP

Which is what I pointed out... there's a different between "Cloud and Tifa is canon but I still like Cloud x Yuffie." and "Cloud and Yuffie is the couple and that's how I interpreted the game..."

Which is what I try to point out to people too. But for some reason telling people that their opinions aren't canon is insulting... why I still don't know.

 

[Ryushikaze]

OH dear I broke Ryu
I gotta stop doing that.

I'm not broken, though I do wish to break people who think an author's role ceases the moment the ink stops hitting paper.

 

[Dashell]

Or that the 10th Anniversary Ultimania came out before FFVII ... somehow... XD
I mean I can understand that you don't know that these things exist but how does an Anniversary book get released 10 years before the game? XD

 

[Ryushikaze]

Or that the 10th Anniversary Ultimania came out before FFVII ... somehow... XD
I mean I can understand that you don't know that these things exist but how does an Anniversary book get released 10 years before the game? XD

I believe the proper response to that is 'Wait, how in the what now I mean I never.'

These people actually think the '10th year anniversary' book came out BEFORE the game?

 

[Tennyo]

What the hell people, what the hell. I come home from work to find a bajillion new pages.

Also I don't see how it matters whether Cloud was angry or sad when Aerith died. I also don't see how whether he was angry or sad has anything to say about the LTD. I mean daaaamn Aerith was just murdered by the dude Cloud hates most. How do you think he's going to react? XD

 

[Dashell]

What the hell people, what the hell. I come home from work to find a bajillion new pages.

Also I don't see how it matters whether Cloud was angry or sad when Aerith died. I also don't see how whether he was angry or sad has anything to say about the LTD. I mean daaaamn Aerith was just murdered by the dude Cloud hates most. How do you think he's going to react? XD

Cloud: DING DONG the witch is dead

But seriously, pretty much everything we argued today has nothing to do with the LTD XD
And I'm running into someone on another forum that says the creators words don't matter

 

[Madame Mayor]

And this all gets back to what I've been saying: that the creators saying it's canon does not make it so.

Person doesn't know what canon is. Last time this happened to me Ryu and I were called pirates and trolls for explaining to them the origin of the word canon.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Except it's the very opposite. George Lucas says The movies and Clone wars are Canon. He says the old versions of the movies aren't.
That's a creator saying what is and is not canon.

 

[Madame Mayor]

Then again, this is one of those people who says that since Cloud and Tifa don't say "I love you", they aren't canon...

How many other canon couples does that automatically make uncanon by that logic?

And this is also under the assumption that you need the creators telling us they are together because it's not shown in the game. It's shown in the game, it's just an added bonus that we have the creators own words to back it up for those that missed the point.

 

[Tennyo]

Again with the "canon means nothing" crap?

Do people realize how incredibly insulting this logic is to the creators of their own fandom?

Quex where are you encountering this person?

 

[Dashell]

I'm going to see if I can get him to come here first...

of course now he probably won't cause we've been talking about him for a page and a half XD

 

[Tennyo]

Well let's change the subject before they see.

So, um... that LTD. Sure is a doozy, huh?

 

[Dashell]

heh he doesn't want to come here, but here he is:
http://saturdaymorningsonic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2289

It's the Gojira007 and sorry for making a stupid topic

 

[Tennyo]

Read it. I'm confused.

To me it just says, "Fan who didn't like the outcome and wants to pretend it all happened differently."

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Random interjection, I've decided my views are changed...I mean more like, I realize they've changed. Cloud and Tifa....yeah, it's 90% canon. Let's face it, Aerith's dead. And while I do still think she and Cloud would have become a couple if she'd lived, she didn't. And unless SE like, rapes the plotline and revives her in some future game, that won't change.

It was ACC that did it, clarified a lot of things AC left up in the air. It may not be the sort of explicit lovey-dovey relationship the series normally gives, but I guess Cloud and Tifa are together nonetheless. CloudxTifa kinda has to be canon. The creators support it, my new outlook from ACC supports it.

But I still staunchly support CloudxAerith! :p. Just because I admit Cloti is canon doesn't mean I don't still love Clerith. I wrote a revival fanfic, I ain't coming back from that...seriously, that's my stance now. "Yes, Cloti is canon, but I prefer Clerith". And if I were asked which I'd prefer canon I'd answer that too, but sadly I can't control what's canon and what isn't (yet).

 

[Tennyo]

That's great, Drake! And as we've all said before personal preference does not matter. Nobody cares which pairing you like best. But denying the canon and changing the story and claiming that's the way it is? No no no. That's all that really matters.

 

[Dashell]

Nothing wrong with that, I like Clerith too, but I know it's not canon. Course I'm 100% on the Cloti deal.
Also is all this why you stopped going to CxA?

To me it just says, "Fan who didn't like the outcome and wants to pretend it all happened differently."

It's odd that he's a Cloti
Also I kinda see the point he was trying to make now... like if after the story happened if Nojima were to say "Oh yeah we were gonna have a scene where THIS happened but we didn't have time." that scene wouldn't be canon. Kinda like the chocobo stable thing isn't canon. It didn't happen. I think he's referring to things like that. That I can understand but... blah to the rest of it.

 

[Celes Chere]

Holy fooking pages Batman! Go out all day and miss about twenty pages. I should totally be used to this by now. Anyway, maybe I'll actually read all of it if I get bored tonight.

-looks at Johnny Depp poster-

Oh fuck yes. -stares at Big Boss- Fabulous.

Also is all this why you stopped going to CxA?

He's joined the dark side.

 

[Dashell]

Well it ain't pink, that's for sure.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Nothing wrong with that, I like Clerith too, but I know it's not canon. Course I'm 100% on the Cloti deal.
Also is all this why you stopped going to CxA?

It wasn't really a conscious decision on my part, I just started posting there less and here more, until I didn't even visit there anymore. But no, I "left" CxA long before I saw ACC and my views shifted. I just felt more comfortable here. In hindsight I see why too - I love Clerith, but obviously at CxA it was all that anyone talked about when I like FF as a whole. I made a few threads there that were general FF and not Clerith, but they seemed out of place.

 

[Frostwave]

Random interjection, I've decided my views are changed...I mean more like, I realize they've changed. Cloud and Tifa....yeah, it's 90% canon. Let's face it, Aerith's dead. And while I do still think she and Cloud would have become a couple if she'd lived, she didn't. And unless SE like, rapes the plotline and revives her in some future game, that won't change.

It was ACC that did it, clarified a lot of things AC left up in the air. It may not be the sort of explicit lovey-dovey relationship the series normally gives, but I guess Cloud and Tifa are together nonetheless. CloudxTifa kinda has to be canon. The creators support it, my new outlook from ACC supports it.

But I still staunchly support CloudxAerith! :p. Just because I admit Cloti is canon doesn't mean I don't still love Clerith. I wrote a revival fanfic, I ain't coming back from that...seriously, that's my stance now. "Yes, Cloti is canon, but I prefer Clerith". And if I were asked which I'd prefer canon I'd answer that too, but sadly I can't control what's canon and what isn't (yet).

That's cool, dood. I'm glad you're not just puttin' a blindfold on and pluggin' your ears up and saying interpretation > everything.

The way you feel about about Cloti and Clerith is the way I feel about some other canon couples from other series that were disappointing to me(like Senel/Shirley and Dart/Shana for example); there's another girl in the party I like more and thought had great relationship potential with the main guy, but the story went somewhere else.

And that's why I read/write fanfiction.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Random interjection, I've decided my views are changed...I mean more like, I realize they've changed. Cloud and Tifa....yeah, it's 90% canon. Let's face it, Aerith's dead. And while I do still think she and Cloud would have become a couple if she'd lived, she didn't. And unless SE like, rapes the plotline and revives her in some future game, that won't change.

It was ACC that did it, clarified a lot of things AC left up in the air. It may not be the sort of explicit lovey-dovey relationship the series normally gives, but I guess Cloud and Tifa are together nonetheless. CloudxTifa kinda has to be canon. The creators support it, my new outlook from ACC supports it.

Wow, that sums it up perfectly.

But I still staunchly support CloudxAerith! :p. Just because I admit Cloti is canon doesn't mean I don't still love Clerith. I wrote a revival fanfic, I ain't coming back from that...seriously, that's my stance now. "Yes, Cloti is canon, but I prefer Clerith". And if I were asked which I'd prefer canon I'd answer that too, but sadly I can't control what's canon and what isn't (yet).

And that's definitely your right. No one says you have to like Cloud or Tifa or what not. If you like Cloud and Aerith more, that's cool! Its got its merits and all. There's just a difference between preference and actuality.

I mean, I personally prefer Tifa/Aerith myself. But sadly it...was never meant to be...