So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Isabella]

Raq: We agree she didn't mean to wake him. Why did she go in his room then?

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Fair enough but is your father as monotonous as Cloud? The office as his bedroom seems quite fitting considering his personality. All things about Cloud seem quite dry so why not a quite a bare room?

Ok, I'm gonna have to go with a big ole WTF here.

Have you seen CLOUD? Wolf emblem EVERYWHERE, massive spikes, BIGGEST most suped up Motorcycle in Edge (he recruited ENGINEERS remember), HUGE ass sword...

Uhm, where in that does "dry" or "monotonous" come into play where Cloud is concerned... You sure we're talking about the same Cloud...?

You know the one that dresses like a girl on weekends?

 

[Raquelborn]

Raq: We agree she didn't mean to wake him. Why did she go in his room then?

For the same reason she asked if he loved her. Surely that's a given?

Ok, I'm gonna have to go with a big ole WTF here.

Have you seen CLOUD? Wolf emblem EVERYWHERE, massive spikes, BIGGEST most suped up Motorcycle in Edge (he recruited ENGINEERS remember), HUGE ass sword...

Uhm, where in that does "dry" or "monotonous" come into play where Cloud is concerned... You sure we're talking about the same Cloud...?

You know the one that dresses like a girl on weekends?

The last bit says it all.

 

[TheMadHatter]

Does she also think my vocabulary is 'stupid?'

I'm not sure....-rubs chin- never said anything about vocabulary, just that you're rude.

Well, yes, but the opposite is in fact true- people express their love through physical intimacy in addition to other methods.

People tend to think sex means love, when it doesn't. No one ever has to have it to show they love someone. Not even in a relationship. They think it shows it when it doesn't.

You can also say Penis, Hatter.

I know...its just disgusting I will call them...Jimmehs.

And there are those of us who reject the concept of a creator or a 'given purpose' to begin with. The modern ToE explains it all quite well, but that's a topic for the debate subforum.

I'm sorry, I'm not talking about 'God', but something had to have made us. Whether it was mass, matter or whatever. Something made us.

Terra's is also of appropriate size for the Magicite we've seen.

Actually, in the game they aren't that big. I know what you are thinking "how can you see it?" I can, and its not that big. Its just not. And than FFXII came in and proved it. Its a little bigger than their hands, not a whole arm length.

How more bias can you get?...

No site can be unbiased; all FF forums, couples forums and everything will always be biased if a neutral isn't running things.

Clotis have sites like this too, yes?

Locke and Celes had some issues (LOL RACHEL) before they got together,

This angers me... Rachael gave Locke up after Locke realized he wasn't in love with her as much as he is with Celes. Although, I'm not saying he didn't love her, just that he loved Celes more.
{I might get testy about 6, its my fav. }

Cloud's crystal has never been named any specific materia, nor is it even shown functioning as materia in the first place. It only looks like one. It's a crystal. A crystal which is a portion of Cosmos' power.

They didn't name it for this exact reason; so people can fight over it, want a sequel, want more FFVII crap and waste money. SE does these things on purpose. They are money whores!

And... She's already banned. Yeah, definitely invite HC over here Quex. At the very least, we'll treat her better than she's been getting.

So Heaven's Cloud was actually banned? What for, what I miss?

She wasn't banned, she decided to leave.

Chaotic Neutral - Fans who believe Cloud may or may not love Aerith or Tifa. He may love both, one or neither, they are unsure. To them, the LT is not meant to be solved, simply discussed. There is no answer either way.​

That's how me and most of my friends think. He loves both, like a idiot.

I'm more wondering if there is such a thing as "Neutral Cloti" under my definition....

No there isn't. Nuetral Cleriths are cleriths that believe Cloud x Aerith is canon, but they can read, watch and see Cloti things and not get upset over it. Me and my friends again

@ Raquelborn ~~~

And this. I find it hard to believe no one else has ever had the impulse to watch/be near their loved one while they sleep whether they were in the same bed, room or even house, especially if your relationship with them is worrying you.

I'm not saying its impossible. Hell, I said I'D do it too. Even if they were two cities away

Again. So Tifa just stood over him, watching him sleep then. That's normal huh? Standing over their bed and watching them sleep, waiting for an answer until morning.

The cleriths don't mean it in that way. They never said she stood their 'till morning for a answer. They just said she'd occasionally peak in and watch him for a few....because she loves him. If Cleriths don't think Tifa loves Cloud, than something is wrong. Because she does, its all dependent on what Cloud feels, not the women. We already know they both love his stupid ass.

Spoiler: LOL

She likes her men ripe.

And I like my men ripe and naked, served with a great smile.

Women in couples have problems and issues sometimes.​

Isabella said: Careful there, spanky.

Yeah, ya might get shot with a shotgun

I blame SoS for being the catalyst. All these pages sprouted up after he responded to CxA.

At least hate fests and flamming isn't going on right now, right?

It just occurred to me that this is the first actual *debating*, not discussing, going on here in a while. WTF happened guys?

It took a essay with a little bit of Cloti to start it. I wouldn't call it "full" debating until some cleriths come in here.

Lol. Tifa is evil alright.

Let me edit that for you:
Lol. Tifa is awesome alright.

Let's save that for someone else...like Nojima and Nomura.

Done replying to everyone

STOP BUILDING UP SO MANY PAGES WHILE I'M GONE!
Also...why does the thread keep saying there is an extra page?

Spoiler: if we want to end it all.....

We {Cleriths and Clotis} should stop posting quotes, links, hate pictures and more about each other. Who knows, maybe one day we will all be one happy FFVII loving people

 

[Isabella]

For the same reason she asked if he loved her. Surely that's a given?

For me it's not, actually. I can see her wondering things aloud while lying in bed, but to make a special trip into his room, ensure he's asleep, then say things to him without intending him to hear? Why go to all that trouble if you don't intend to have a conversation with him?

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I would also like to address that Cloud and Tifa are still in their early twenties, just like a lot of us. Contrary to what anime/video games would like you to believe, the early twenties isn't an age of wisdom and the culmination of life experiences.

Wrong.

Early twentysomethings is young as fuck and some of the awkwardness bordering on hilarity between Cloud and Tifa is no worse than some of the high school bullshit that can pepper even the most stalwart relationship between two mature, level headed twentysomethings.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Can I be Lawful AerTi? Does that fit in anywhere?

 

[Dashell]

TNC will open tomorrow

God where's my Clerith essay... I totally gotta post that there.

 

[TheMadHatter]

The Northern Crater? I remember that forum

If the owner will allow it. Didn't he/she put the board down due to the crappy LTD?

Did I spend all my time on that long ass post for nothing

Splintered....where did you get that Terra avatar? Its so awesome!

 

[Splintered]

Raq: We agree she didn't mean to wake him. Why did she go in his room then?

Because his room is an office.

In both scenarios, you've got to assume a lot of things in order for it to make sense. It's just that, I see a bed in his room, I assume he sleeps in it. I don't see why that's illogical.

 

[Isabella]

Because his room is an office.

I think you missed a good chunk of the conversation. Because otherwise, I have no idea why his room being an office has anything to do with it.

 

[Sunstrider]

Can I be Lawful AerTi? Does that fit in anywhere?

I want to be Chaotic AerTi.

I blame SoS for being the catalyst. All these pages sprouted up after he responded to CxA.

This summarizes his adventure there accurately.

Spoiler

 

[TheMadHatter]

They actually weren't that upset or angry at him when he posted. They welcomed him and wanted to debate or what ever they call it. I didn't seem them say anything when he came, but before....now that's different. They were very upset.

 

[Splintered]

I think you missed a good chunk of the conversation. Because otherwise, I have no idea why his room being an office has anything to do with it.

Probably did.

Basically, I thought you were asking why in the world Tifa would be in a place where Cloud slept. I answered that it wouldn't be all that surprising for Tifa to go into his room if it doubles as an office.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

They actually weren't that upset or angry at him when he posted. They welcomed him and wanted to debate or what ever they call it. I didn't seem them say anything when he came, but before....now that's different. They were very upset.

I respect anyone who speaks directly to me when I address them. If you're just gonna lurk around bitching about me to others, you're a coward. IMO, even on the internet, don't say anything about anyone if you don't have the guys to say it to them directly. If you do that, you'll be respected for at least confronting the guy directly than hiding from him.

SoS didn't hide from their critique, he joined and posted to confront them. For that, they should show him respect, and as you say they have, so good on them.

 

[TheMadHatter]

I respect anyone who speaks directly to me when I address them. If you're just gonna lurk around bitching about me to others, you're a coward. IMO, even on the internet, don't say anything about anyone if you don't have the guys to say it to them directly. If you do that, you'll be respected for at least confronting the guy directly than hiding from him.

....Are you talking about me or people in general? Because I'm not sure

SoS didn't hide from their critique, he joined and posted to confront them. For that, they should show him respect, and as you say they have, so good on them.

I never said TresDias hid from them, I just said when he joined, the six people talking to him welcomed him....didn't they? I don't know about FFG, but I'm certain I saw Anastar do it.

 

[Dashell]

I don't think anyone really know about FFG

 

[TheMadHatter]

FFG just gets upset quickly, that's what I've noticed about her. She gets heated in debate battles way too quick. But in all, she seems like a very fair person to talk with.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

....Are you talking about me or people in general? Because I'm not sure

No, not you, just in general.

I never said TresDias hid from them, I just said when he joined, the six people talking to him welcomed him....didn't they? I don't know about FFG, but I'm certain I saw Anastar do it.

I never said that either, I'm just saying they're good for showing him respect since he's confronted them on what they said.

 

[Sunstrider]

They actually weren't that upset or angry at him when he posted. They welcomed him and wanted to debate or what ever they call it. I didn't seem them say anything when he came, but before....now that's different. They were very upset.

I kid, but yeah. Looking at it, they were actually pretty cool about it. Some members can be snarky and rude, but a lot are pretty cool in general. As it turns out, people can think each other's ideas are batshit and still be chill.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I have done before apparently.

Fair enough but is your father as monotonous as Cloud? The office as his bedroom seems quite fitting considering his personality. All things about Cloud seem quite dry so why not a quite a bare room? I'd say by my own standards, since you're putting Cloud's room up to your's, that Cloud's office is too scruffy to be an average office, let alone anything anyone would sit in for too long.

If it's too barren to be an office, it's far too barren to be room in which people permanently reside.
As for my father's office, except for generally having more work related clutter and a television, it's pretty much like that. Hell, his office was also the guest room for several years. Currently it's the room that I sleep in when I visit. Cloud's office is more barren than a guest bedroom, to give you an idea.

Not exactly. Doesn't Marlene sleep with Tifa until Barrett leaves? And that would be after 7th Heaven was built. I'm also working on the logic that if Marlene is in Tifa's bed, there's no room for Cloud.

Howso? Way back when my bros and I were bratlings, about Mar's age, we'd climb in bed with both our parents. Our dad didn't get booted out just because we were there.

I have no reason to right now. But I have done this to my mother quite a few times. If I want something then I'll come to her bedside and kind of wait, maybe say something and then wait for her to wake up. If she doesn't, I get mad I go back to bed.

But you attempt to wake them first, no?

And yes but no. Couldn't she have creeped in, then checked if he was asleep and then said something?

Why creep in if she doesn't suspect he's asleep?

I'm not sure....-rubs chin- never said anything about vocabulary, just that you're rude.

Might be someone else then.

People tend to think sex means love, when it doesn't. No one ever has to have it to show they love someone. Not even in a relationship. They think it shows it when it doesn't.

You seem hung up on this strawman. You have the logic that 'one does not need to have sex to show they love someone correct' but the converse IS NOT THE CASE. One CAN express their love through love. Such is not always the case, but it is possible.

I know...its just disgusting I will call them...Jimmehs.

Penii are not disgusting. Nor is the word.

I'm sorry, I'm not talking about 'God', but something had to have made us. Whether it was mass, matter or whatever. Something made us.

'Creation implies a creator' is semantic nonsense. 'Existence implies an existor' makes more sense.
In short, evidence for a creator is lacking. Believe if you like, do not assert as so.

Actually, in the game they aren't that big. I know what you are thinking "how can you see it?" I can, and its not that big. Its just not. And than FFXII came in and proved it. Its a little bigger than their hands, not a whole arm length.

FXII Magicite are whole different animals to FFVI magicite.

No site can be unbiased; all FF forums, couples forums and everything will always be biased if a neutral isn't running things.

Even a 'neutral' is biased if they are dedicated to neutrality.

This angers me... Rachael gave Locke up after Locke realized he wasn't in love with her as much as he is with Celes. Although, I'm not saying he didn't love her, just that he loved Celes more.
{I might get testy about 6, its my fav. }

Actually, she told him to leave her be before he'd allow himself to 'give her up.' He felt responsible.

They didn't name it for this exact reason; so people can fight over it, want a sequel, want more FFVII crap and waste money. SE does these things on purpose. They are money whores!

Or because, y'know, WHAT the crystals are isn't important aside from them being Crystals.

She wasn't banned, she decided to leave.

That's not what Shrody's words and her 'incactive' tag indicated.

That's how me and most of my friends think. He loves both, like a idiot.

So then what's the issue? He can love the one he's with even as he loves another, no?

No there isn't. Nuetral Cleriths are cleriths that believe Cloud x Aerith is canon, but they can read, watch and see Cloti things and not get upset over it. Me and my friends again

You get upset a lot, eh?

@ Raquelborn ~~~
I'm not saying its impossible. Hell, I said I'D do it too. Even if they were two cities away

The cleriths don't mean it in that way. They never said she stood their 'till morning for a answer. They just said she'd occasionally peak in and watch him for a few....because she loves him. If Cleriths don't think Tifa loves Cloud, than something is wrong. Because she does, its all dependent on what Cloud feels, not the women. We already know they both love his stupid ass.

I hate to bring this up, but there was a big push awhile back that claimed Tifa DIDN'T love Cloud romantically.

Spoiler: LOL

And I like my men ripe and naked, served with a great smile.

And yet you think Penis is disgusting.

Spoiler: if we want to end it all.....

We {Cleriths and Clotis} should stop posting quotes, links, hate pictures and more about each other. Who knows, maybe one day we will all be one happy FFVII loving people

Well, I can perfectly discuss quite a lot of FFVII without the LTD involved. Dunno why certain others who shall remain nameless cannot.

 

[Dashell]

That's not what Shrody's words and her 'incactive' tag indicated.

Funny that I just did something similar on my forum. I told someone to get the fuck out basically but I didn't actually ban them. It was more of a request that she leaves, not that she was banned.

 

[Splintered]

I hate how CxA forum bullshit gets dragged here in this thread all the time. jus' saying.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

This angers me... Rachael gave Locke up after Locke realized he wasn't in love with her as much as he is with Celes. Although, I'm not saying he didn't love her, just that he loved Celes more.

I think my point with that was that there wasn't sudden magical love and total understanding on both sides: the game actually had to develop the relationship so that it made sense.

 

[Dashell]

I hate how CxA forum bullshit gets dragged here in this thread all the time. jus' saying.

Oh gawd, I'm sorry. I said I wasn't going to do that and I did, didn't I? Stupid Que... I'm just riled up...

But you're right, that's not what the issue is here, I won't do it anymore, like I SAID I would. Ill be a good nobody. sorry if I offended anyone... though I doubt I really did