So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

Who does Cloud love?

  • Aerith

    Votes: 20 14.2%
  • Tifa

    Votes: 121 85.8%

  • Total voters
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Isabella

Your Mom
If he were, why would he have a bed in his office?
Well, he probably did sleep there while Barret was around. Best I can gather, there are 3 rooms involved. While Barret was there (which wasn't very long, as I recall ... a week after it opened?) I'd assume Barret had a room, Cloud had a room, and Tifa and Marlene slept in a room. Barret leaves and Marlene gets her own room, presumably Barret's old room, which she now shares with Denzel. We haven't seen room #3, Tifa's room, which is either hers alone or shared with Cloud, depending on who you talk to.

Honestly, I don't care much if people want to insist on lovers having separate bedrooms, though it makes little sense to me. But the answer to why there's a bed in Cloud's room/office seems obvious to me. He must have slept in there while Barret was living there.
 

Fairheartstrife

[no fucks given]
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FHS, that cloti bitch
I'm just not making the connection you guys are I guess. I've been directly shown Cloud has his own room with a bed, and have no reason to think he would share a separate room with Tifa. If he were, why would he have a bed in his office?

For the three thousand other reasons already given as logical responses to that. It makes more sense to you that Cloud sleeps in his office rather than that cot is just that--a cot, and not the indicator of a bedroom?

Remove the cot. (It's a cot, not a bed.)

Seriously, look at that room without the cot and there is no way that could be misconstrued as a bedroom. AT ALL. Whereas if you remove the beds in the kids rooms, you would still get the impression of a "lived in" area, identifiable as somewhere "domesticated" and part of the "home". The office shows no such indicators. It is not a "lived in" room. And before anyone goes on with "Well, duh, Cloud left..." the Church arguments show exactly what he left WITH. Very little. His things are still at Seventh.

See the logic here? It's really not hard to follow. :wacky:

People are investing too much in the "evidence" of a singular item.

Well, is it Cloud that gets the rings, or Tifa?

Considering the wolf emblem and the fact that they are called the Cloudy Wolf rings I'd say the answer to that's pretty obvious.
 
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DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
For the three thousand other reasons already given as logical responses to that. It makes more sense to you that Cloud sleeps in his office rather than that cot is just that--a cot, and not the indicator of a bedroom?

Remove the cot. (It's a cot, not a bed.)

So I should cover my eyes and only see what I want to see? And no, it makes more sense to me to believe what I see than what I can suggest as speculation.

Seriously, look at that room without the cot and there is no way that could be misconstrued as a bedroom. AT ALL. Whereas if you remove the beds in the kids rooms, you would still get the impression of a "lived in" area, identifiable as somewhere "domesticated" and part of the "home". The office shows no such indicators.
And if you removed the beds from the kids room, you would get the impression of a family room, not a bedroom. Sorry, I'm covering my eyes but I still see the bed there in my mind's eye.

It is not a "lived in" room. And before anyone goes on with "Well, duh, Cloud left..." the Church arguments show exactly what he left WITH. Very little. His things are still at Seventh.
What "things" are there? Oh right. I forgot Cloud has tool boxes and porn and bike magazines and pictures of wolves he fills his apparent room with Tifa with. What a guy....

Considering the wolf emblem and the fact that they are called the Cloudy Wolf rings I'd say the answer to that's pretty obvious.

Is it now? I guess Aerith came back from the dead for five minutes to give those pink ribbons to the AVALANCHE members then.

See the logic here? It's really not hard to follow. :wacky:

People are investing too much in the "evidence" of a singular item.
As opposed to them sharing a bed being invested in that CoT scene?

What we are shown: a room established to be Cloud's, with a bed in it. That bears repeating - Cloud has a room of his own, that he keeps a bed in, along with a bunch of his other stuff, though there isn't much.

What we are not shown: Cloud sharing a bedroom with Tifa. Tifa certainly has a room of course, but it's never shown to us and we never see if Cloud sleeps there with her or not.

Let me get back to the basics, I climbed this house of cards too high and can't see the bottom. What evidence, besides the scene where Tifa speaks to Cloud, is being cited as evidence they sleep in the same room?
 
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Dashell

SMILE!
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Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
Maybe Cloud sleeps in his office and has his other stuff elsewhere... it doesn't make a lot of sense but... that's the only way I can see him sleeping in there.
 

Alessa Gillespie

a letter to my future self
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Sansa Stark, Sweet Bro, Feferi, tentacleTherapist, Nin, Aki, Catwoman, Shinjiro Aragaki, Terezi, Princess Bubblegum
imo, it seems a bit odd that Cloud would sleep on such a bare-bones bed when Tifa seemed fine with decking out Marlene and Denzel's beds. And you'd think since she's there so much she'd at least make his bed look less... I dunno, crappy. Sure, Cloud'd be fine with his bed looking so uncomfortable, but I think Tifa would want to make it look prettier. Unless he was specifically like "Don' touch me bed beetch! >: O" at Tifa or something. :monster:
 

Dashell

SMILE!
AKA
Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
Tifa: I just want to put some nice sheets on...
*Cloud covers bed* GRRRRR....
Tifa: It's okay.. I'm just going to put some...
Cloud: BARK BARK BARK!
Tifa: Okay... okay... see I'm walking away now... it's okay, you can have a crappy bed... okay?

and that's how that scene went :monster:
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
Tifa: I just want to put some nice sheets on...
*Cloud covers bed* GRRRRR....
Tifa: It's okay.. I'm just going to put some...
Cloud: BARK BARK BARK!
Tifa: Okay... okay... see I'm walking away now... it's okay, you can have a crappy bed... okay?

and that's how that scene went :monster:
lol....really though, I agree entirely she cares about him, but I can't see Tifa dictating how Cloud should arrange his...well, living arrangements. It's not the Hotel Hilton, but if that's what Cloud is content with, leave him be.
 

Alessa Gillespie

a letter to my future self
AKA
Sansa Stark, Sweet Bro, Feferi, tentacleTherapist, Nin, Aki, Catwoman, Shinjiro Aragaki, Terezi, Princess Bubblegum
lol....really though, I agree entirely she cares about him, but I can't see Tifa dictating how Cloud should arrange his...well, living arrangements. It's not the Hotel Hilton, but if that's what Cloud is content with, leave him be.
Tifa: Want me to change your sheets?
Cloud: No, I used to sleep on pipes. This is downright comfy in comparison. :wacky:
 

Fairheartstrife

[no fucks given]
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FHS, that cloti bitch
lol....really though, I agree entirely she cares about him, but I can't see Tifa dictating how Cloud should arrange his...well, living arrangements. It's not the Hotel Hilton, but if that's what Cloud is content with, leave him be.

Wait, the woman has final say on whether Cloud can have Fenrir and the person he gets permission for pretty much everything from doesn't have say in how the rooms in her house look?

You've never had a serious relationship, have you? O.o

Semi-related question: What room do you think Shelke sleeps in while she's staying there? Or Barret?

We don't see those rooms, therefore they don't exist. Geesh, woman, pay attention.
 

Isabella

Your Mom
I'd assume there's only 3 rooms, otherwise you'd think Denzel would get his own room. So now I have visions of Barret either sharing a bed with Tifa (whoa), or, even better, cramming into that cot with Cloud. :awesome:

Lord knows the most obvious setup -- that Cloud and Tifa share a room and the guest sleeps in the office -- can't be the case because THIS IS FINAL FANTASY 7, DAMN IT. No one conforms to societal norms in this universe.
 

Fairheartstrife

[no fucks given]
AKA
FHS, that cloti bitch
So I should cover my eyes and only see what I want to see? And no, it makes more sense to me to believe what I see than what I can suggest as speculation.

And if you removed the beds from the kids room, you would get the impression of a family room, not a bedroom. Sorry, I'm covering my eyes but I still see the bed there in my mind's eye.

Uhm, yes, you are correct. Even without the bed you get the impression of a family room. A lived in--part of the home--domesticated room. You do NOT get that impression removing the cot from the office. That's kind of my point. **eyeroll**

What "things" are there? Oh right. I forgot Cloud has tool boxes and porn and bike magazines and pictures of wolves he fills his apparent room with Tifa with. What a guy....


Yes. There was no sarcasm in my earlier post and I truly believe that Cloud carries porn and motorcycle mags around with him at all times. Mmhm. Boy, I'm sure glad you're so sharp.
Is it now? I guess Aerith came back from the dead for five minutes to give those pink ribbons to the AVALANCHE members then.

She comes back from the dead to fuck Cloud, so why not?

As opposed to them sharing a bed being invested in that CoT scene?

Uhm...what?

What we are shown: a room established to be Cloud's, with a bed in it.

No, no bed. Cot. The room has a cot. Difference. A rather substantial one too, but for you it may be tomayto, tomahto.

That bears repeating - Cloud has a room of his own, that he keeps a bed in, along with a bunch of his other stuff, though there isn't much.

It's called an office. I have one here. I'm in it. It has a pull out couch, pictures of my kids and a plate of half eaten pizza... I still don't sleep here. Although it is MY ROOM. And Robin's office, that's his room. In fact, if I were to get pissed at him while in the kitchen I'd probably say "Why don't you go (insert annoying thing here) in your room!" and I'd mean HIS OFFICE, because the last place I'd send the man pissing me off is to our mutual bedchamber. Just sayin'.

What we are not shown: Cloud sharing a bedroom with Tifa. Tifa certainly has a room of course, but it's never shown to us and we never see if Cloud sleeps there with her or not.

We're not shown the other orphans, we're not shown the stock room, and we're not shown the bathroom. But it's safe to assume they have those things, yeah?

We're also not shown Cloud sleeping in that office. **shrug**

Let me get back to the basics, I climbed this house of cards too high and can't see the bottom. What evidence, besides the scene where Tifa speaks to Cloud, is being cited as evidence they sleep in the same room?

It's hardly a house of cards. More like of a thread of logic. A house of cards is built on false presumptions or non-commonalities. To say a man living with a woman, one of whom he's been stated to have romantic interest with and made romantic declarations to, is not sharing a room with her after 2 years of co-habitation and considering themselves family--that's a theory built from jacks and spades. ;)

That scene is evidence enough by most rational standards.

But I could ask of you the same thing:What evidence, aside from a bare cot in an office littered with other random items do we have to indicate that room is in fact a "bedroom"?
 

Sunstrider

Lesbian Aerith
AKA
Tess, Leaute
lol....really though, I agree entirely she cares about him, but I can't see Tifa dictating how Cloud should arrange his...well, living arrangements. It's not the Hotel Hilton, but if that's what Cloud is content with, leave him be.

I'd agree that would make sense if not for the fact Tifa's definitely described as a motherly type. Not just to Cloud, but she always took care of AVALANCHE by cooking for them, etc. She's got those instincts to take of people and make sure they're healthy and fed and all that good stuff. I doubt she would let Cloud live with the bare bones when everyone else in the house is so well taken care of. Unless they had some kind of discussion about it, and come on. Can we seriously see Cloud putting his foot down about some comforters and matching pillowcases?
 

Fairheartstrife

[no fucks given]
AKA
FHS, that cloti bitch
Can we seriously see Cloud putting his foot down about some comforters and matching pillowcases?

Cloud: "But I want the one with the wolf emblem stitched on it!"

Tifa: "No, the rest of the rooms are plaid, you'll get plaid."

Cloud::rage: "Fuck it, if I can't have the one I want then I won't have any!" *pout*

Tifa: "Fine. Have it your way, mister." :ego:
 

Kikyou

just a fleeting memory
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M-Mira, crackitlackin, Izaya Orihara, SAILOR NARU, Sharon Rainsworth, Mara, Brosuke Hanamura, Commissioner Gordon, Santa Claus, Lenneth Valkyrie
G'damn, quit posting so god damn much guys some of us have lives. :wacky:

You know what would solve this? A virtual tour of the g'damn house/bar, complete with ________ G'DAMN SLEEPS HERE, ______ DRINKS HIS/HER G'DAMN COFFEE HERE, _______ TAKES A DUMP HERE, that's what. With super cool and flashy animation and sexy graphicks. Let's go petition SE.
 

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
Fairheartstrife said:
Wait, the woman has final say on whether Cloud can have Fenrir and the person he gets permission for pretty much everything from doesn't have say in how the rooms in her house look?

You've never had a serious relationship, have you? O.o

I've never had any sort of relationship with any woman, serious or friendship or otherwise, with anyone outside of family members, and don't expect to have one. Thanks for bringing that up. I'm a lonely bachelor so I guess I'm just a fucking idiot and obviously have no clue about anything.

Where does he get permission from her? I don't recall anything in CoT about Cloud asking permission to keep Fenrir and go on deliveries. The only thing discussed with her beforehand is the "food and drink for life" deal, and since she runs the bar of course he has to get permission to do that.

Yes. There was no sarcasm in my earlier post and I truly believe that Cloud carries porn and motorcycle mags around with him at all times. Mmhm. Boy, I'm sure glad you're so sharp.
I was being sarcastic too, good to see you're as sharp as I am.

No, no bed. Cot. The room has a cot. Difference. A rather substantial one too, but for you it may be tomayto, tomahto.
Let's call it "the rectangular green lump that Cloud may or may not sleep on". TREGL for short.

It's called an office. I have one here. I'm in it. It has a pull out couch, pictures of my kids and a plate of half eaten pizza... I still don't sleep here. Although it is MY ROOM. And Robin's office, that's his room. In fact, if I were to get pissed at him while in the kitchen I'd probably say "Why don't you go (insert annoying thing here) in your room!" and I'd mean HIS OFFICE, because the last place I'd send the man pissing me off is to our mutual bedchamber. Just sayin'.
I've got a room. It has a bed, a lamp, a desk for my PC, a dresser and a TV. No pictures, no posters, no books lying around. When we moved a month ago, I had everything in my room set-up within a few hours. It's not much, but it's my room, a bedroom, it's not my office. There's not much in it but it's where I live and sleep. Considering in the later parts of CoT, Cloud is on the road a lot, it makes sense he wouldn't have much either.

We're also not shown Cloud sleeping in that office. **shrug**
But we're shown the TREGL which implies he sleeps there. I doubt the filmmakers put the TREGL there just so we can assume Cloud rarely uses it. The TREGL is in the room for a reason. If they had wanted to give the impression Cloud slept somewhere else, they could have pointedly *not* included the TREGL, or shown Tifa's room with a two-person bed, or made mention of Cloud sharing a bed with her.

It's hardly a house of cards. More like of a thread of logic. A house of cards is built on false presumptions or non-commonalities.
Cloud is in a relationship with Tifa. Therefore he shares a bed with her. Therefore the room with the TREGL is his office and not his room.

Layer 1 is sturdy, layer 2 is kinda shaky, layer 3 is ready to come down any second now.

Let me try my own construction project.

Cloud's room contains the TREGL. Therefore he likely sleeps there.

But I could ask of you the same thing: What evidence, aside from a bare cot in an office littered with other random items do we have to indicate that room is in fact a "bedroom"?
What evidence, aside from some bar tables and random alcohol bottles do we have to indicate Seventh Heaven is in fact, a bar?

By your logic, if you removed the bed from my bedroom, it becomes my office.
 
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Sunstrider

Lesbian Aerith
AKA
Tess, Leaute
Guys. I think we're, like, getting way too serious business about whether or not Cloud's office is his bathroom or not. I think I'm going to start a movement that says he sleeps in the bathtub.
 

Alessa Gillespie

a letter to my future self
AKA
Sansa Stark, Sweet Bro, Feferi, tentacleTherapist, Nin, Aki, Catwoman, Shinjiro Aragaki, Terezi, Princess Bubblegum
Cloud sleeps on the roof (with Zack's spirit, if you like), Tifa sleeps in her room with Aerith's spirit. Really, not that hard. :reptar:
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
I'd assume there's only 3 rooms, otherwise you'd think Denzel would get his own room. So now I have visions of Barret either sharing a bed with Tifa (whoa), or, even better, cramming into that cot with Cloud. :awesome:

Lord knows the most obvious setup -- that Cloud and Tifa share a room and the guest sleeps in the office -- can't be the case because THIS IS FINAL FANTASY 7, DAMN IT. No one conforms to societal norms in this universe.

I'm amazed that no one seems to have commented on my repeated 'My dad's office was also the guest bedroom for many a year', because this is exactly what I've been getting at when I bring it up.

G'damn, quit posting so god damn much guys some of us have lives. :wacky:

You know what would solve this? A virtual tour of the g'damn house/bar, complete with ________ G'DAMN SLEEPS HERE, ______ DRINKS HIS/HER G'DAMN COFFEE HERE, _______ TAKES A DUMP HERE, that's what. With super cool and flashy animation and sexy graphicks. Let's go petition SE.

Hell, I'd love to see that period.

Ten bucks says they forget to put in a toilet or other necessary facility.
 

The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
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TresDias
I don't have time to say more right now, but if this helps at all, Case of Tifa refers to the room as "the room Cloud uses as an office." That's in both the official English version and the original Japanese. Seems easier to call it "Cloud's room" if that's where he sleeps, just as it calls the kids' room "the children's room."
 

Isabella

Your Mom
I don't have time to say more right now, but if this helps at all, Case of Tifa refers to the room as "the room Cloud uses as an office." That's in both the official English version and the original Japanese. Seems easier to call it "Cloud's room" if that's where he sleeps, just as it calls the kids' room "the children's room."

Pah. That means nothing. I refer to my bedroom as "the room I use as a dressing room" all the time. :monster:
 

TheMadHatter

Banned
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Not Sure - guess the movie.
Eva:
That's an absolutely hilarious joke. Do you have any more?
Actually, it wasn't a joke. She's a fair person, and kind too. But, if you'd like a laugh, I have some Chuck Noriss jokes for you.

Drake Clawfang:
Is it now? I guess Aerith came back from the dead for five minutes to give those pink ribbons to the AVALANCHE members then.
Or maybe they all decided on pink ribbons and bought them.

Also, what the banana are we debating about? Aerith and Zack having sprite sex or where Cloud sleeps? I'm lost, had to read too many pages :P;)
 
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