So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Dashell]

Well, I think she's still trying to assert that Cloud and Aerith are bonded by some "string of fate." In order to do that, she has to first prove that the ribbon Aerith wears isn't the one Zack gave her. So you're not really debating over nothing.

But that makes even LESS sense
How would Aerith buying another ribbon tie her to Cloud?

 

[Isabella]

It's called "not wanting to let a theory go even after SE themselves have debunked it." It was a theory that never really stood on solid ground to begin with, even before SE gave us the history of the ribbon.

 

[Ryushikaze]

It's called "not wanting to let a theory go even after SE themselves have debunked it." It was a theory that never really stood on solid ground to begin with, even before SE gave us the history of the ribbon.

Something I plan on slamming into their heads at least once a post. That it's A: A STRING B: Connected to two people C: on the hand or ankle, NOT the hair and D: IS MOTHERFUCKING RED is something that can't be stressed enough.

 

[Celes Chere]

IS MOTHERFUCKING RED

Lol, I wish you could say that. Unfortunately Northern Crater is way too sensitive now. Like, I understand that there shouldn't be insults during a debate. But joking around in the spam section?... c'mon. Also, they censor anything containing 'fuck' in it.

 

[Dashell]

Not fucktard

But... wouldn't Cloud have to be wearing the string too? ... I really don't know how this string of fate works?

 

[Ryushikaze]

Not fucktard

But... wouldn't Cloud have to be wearing the string too? ... I really don't know how this string of fate works?

He would. It would also be 'connecting' them, tied to their hand or ankle. It would also be red.

 

[Dashell]

... Does Capricorn know that?

 

[Ryushikaze]

She should. I've said it enough times in that thread.

 

[aniron]

It's rather amusing that the ribbon thread is so actual.
What is it, a comfort zone?...

 

[Dashell]

I say we just let them have the "Aerith changed her ribbon"... I mean really, how does that support CxA in ANY way? XD

 

[Isabella]

Not to sound too much like a hardass, but if you let them "have" something that flies in the face of all unspoken understandings between storyteller and audience, you start yourself down a slippery slope.

 

[aniron]

I say we just let them have the "Aerith changed her ribbon"... I mean really, how does that support CxA in ANY way? XD

"Changed the ribbon" = "Got over Zack"

That's what Cleriths are trying to prove.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Okay, seriously. The ribbon thing? This makes the window on Cloud's office, the footlocker in the church and the smiles at the end of AC all look like relevant bits of discussion. Even the damn lens flare might be more suitable grounds for an argument.

Aerith obviously is going to tie the damn thing differently from one day to the next. Or maybe get a new one if she lost the old one. Or whatever, it doesn't matter.

This has gone way too far.

In other news, I'm revising that damn article of mine for the billionth time. I don't want to ever do it again after, though -- as the subject grows quite tired -- so I'm making damn sure that this is the most comprehensive approach ever.

Honestly, from my discussions with Anastar and FF Goddess, I can see how a Clerith perspective can be supported. I think it still defies the most simple of explanations, and that Nojima's statement about Case of Tifa refutes it, but I can see how SE left room within the stories themselves for someone looking for it to find it.

I think the article should satisfy most everyone next time. Just not those looking for it to conclude Clerith.

 

[Isabella]

Honestly, from my discussions with Anastar and FF Goddess, I can see how a Clerith perspective can be supported.

I can't. Not without doing the characters a great disservice. At most, I can see where they left room for Cloud to have been developing feelings for Aerith. And maybe he'll always carry around the remnants of those feelings, and have a small sense of regret and/or thoughts of "what if." But what I can't see room for is denial that Cloud and Tifa are together.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Given that 'realize their feelings for each other' was said in regards to Cloud and Tifa, among everything else, that's gotta be some very very tight room to fit in.

And the ribbon thing IS fucking crazy. It's the sort of crazy you gotta fight tooth and nail though. It's dangerous 'There's no such thing as evolution but all different types of animals we know today came about after 'the flood' due to massive changes from basic 'kinds' kept on Noah's ark' kind of crazy.
It's the kind of crazy you halt whenever possible.

I await your next revision. If you wish for any proofreading, let me know.

 

[Vendel]

Okay, seriously. The ribbon thing? This makes the window on Cloud's office, the footlocker in the church and the smiles at the end of AC all look like relevant bits of discussion. Even the damn lens flare might be more suitable grounds for an argument.

The LTD. The gift that keeps on giving.

Aerith obviously is going to tie the damn thing differently from one day to the next. Or maybe get a new one if she lost the old one. Or whatever, it doesn't matter.

This has gone way too far.

Yes well, they have these essays. So it must be a big deal to someone.

Honestly, from my discussions with Anastar and FF Goddess, I can see how a Clerith perspective can be supported.

Of course it can. If you go in with a Clerith PoV (or at the very least an anti-Tifa PoV). And also ignore or downplay every possible connection Cloud has with Tifa (or Zack for that matter). Also downplay any effect Zack had on Aerith. And then amplify anything and everything that has to do with Cloud and Aerith. Then spends months tying all these various things together.

You do all of that? Then yeah I could see how you can support C/A. (Just look at the "safe & Sound" essay on that site)

I think it still defies the most simple of explanations, and that Nojima's statement about Case of Tifa refutes it, but I can see how SE left room within the stories themselves for someone looking for it to find it.

Or maybe people just look into way to much. Also did you ever ask them why they have changed from "CLERITH IS TTLY CANON" to "There is no canon pairing"?

I think the article should satisfy most everyone next time. Just not those looking for it to conclude Clerith.

I don't think it will ever satisfy them. Not until you conclude Cloud and Aerith canon. Or at the very least conclude that Cloud could never love Tifa.

 

[Dashell]

Honestly, from my discussions with Anastar and FF Goddess, I can see how a Clerith perspective can be supported. I think it still defies the most simple of explanations, and that Nojima's statement about Case of Tifa refutes it, but I can see how SE left room within the stories themselves for someone looking for it to find it.

I can really only see this if you don't know everything on CxT. You have to go to A LOT of trouble and jump through a lot of hoops to disprove things like "realize their feelings for each other," Tifa being someone's beloved in AC/C, Cloud and Tifa raising a family (sleeping in the same room or not) and Nojima bring up love, marriage and family in context to Cloud and Tifa.

What's more, what I really want to know is, why does Clerith require so many essays? Why does it need to be explained? Why do they need to get real Japanese people in to tell us what this and that means? Why does everything have to be squinted at and hinted at and require so much depth to it and effort to prove it... where as you have C and T living together raising a family after they realized their feelings for one another.

I mean if you presented both arguments to anyone such as "Well Aerith is wearing a pink ribbon and it's different from the one Zack gave her so clearly this proves CxA" and "Cloud and Tifa realize their feelings for one another at the end of FFVII and live together now".... which one sounds more reasonable?

I think that's what annoys me so much. I'm sick of every single piece of Clerith evidence having to be dissected and looked at piece by piece under a microscope. Nojima and Nomura are not these riddle masterminds who insert tiny little hints and puzzle pieces into their interviews and writings. They flat out said "CLOUD AND TIFA BELONG TOGETHER!" "TIFA HAS A LOVER IN ACC" "CLOUD AND TIFA REALIZED THEIR FEELINGS FOR ONE ANOTHER!" (not in those exact words mind you)

... I mean really... what do you need?

EDIT:
And Tres, TBH, I'd rather you not change you essay just to please the Cleriths. Their gift to you was opening up TNC for you... and it didn't really look like any of them showed up really except Shroudy... I'm glad everything came out peacefully, but your essay is fine the way it is. I'd really like to see you keep it.

 

[Tennyo]

You guys I just watched an HD version of Aerith's death and it looks like her ribbon has flat ends again even in that scene...

Will reply tomorrow, sometime...

 

[Vendel]

You guys I just watched an HD version of Aerith's death and it looks like her ribbon has flat ends again even in that scene...

Will reply tomorrow, sometime...

Oh fuck. You just blew this whole thing open.

 

[Tennyo]

Good or bad?

Flat ends are what we want.

 

[Vendel]

Good or bad?

Flat ends are what we want.

I have no clue. I wasn't paying attention. It just seemed like the right thing to say.

 

[Isabella]

LOL, I think that's the most frustrated I've ever seen Quex.

But I agree. They're always saying that Nomura/Nojima et al will never make a definitive statement on the LTD, but as far as I'm concerned they have, several times over. Again, in what other fandom would those quotes you mentioned not do the trick? Why is it we've got all these quotes, and with each one certain fans will squint, hold it upside-down and say, "you know, if I look at this quote by the light of a full moon, it can mean this ..."

You know, sometimes the most common, understood meaning of a phrase is the one intended? The creative team is not lying awake at night trying to invent ways to slip secret codes into their interviews.

 

[Dashell]

Spoiler: Hey guys, guess who cares about what kind of ribbon Aerith is wearing!

NO ONE

LOL, I think that's the most frustrated I've ever seen Quex.

Even I have my limits
In fact I almost closed the ribbon thread about 3 times now XD

And before anyone says anything, no I'm not bashing anyone or hating on anyone in particular. I just really don't like some of their arguments, especially when you have to squint so damn hard. And frankly, I have the same problem with a lot of religions. So it's the arguments I don't like, not the people....

 

[Tennyo]

lol

Now I just have to force myself to be motivated to post. I haven't really felt like going on NC at all today. >_<

Haven't really felt like thinking much about anything. My brain hurts. :/

ALSO I DO QUEX DAMN IT IT IS THE DEFINITIVE POINT OF THE LTD!!!!

 

[Vendel]

Of course it can. If you go in with a Clerith PoV (or at the very least an anti-Tifa PoV). And also ignore or downplay every possible connection Cloud has with Tifa (or Zack for that matter). Also downplay any effect Zack had on Aerith. And then amplify anything and everything that has to do with Cloud and Aerith. Then spends months tying all these various things together.

You do all of that? Then yeah I could see how you can support C/A. (Just look at the "safe & Sound" essay on that site)

I had to quote myself for great emphasis. Because I just read that S&S essay and it is the perfect example for my post.

Funny enough it was the first (and only ) one I looked at. And wham-O! Paydirt.