So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

Who does Cloud love?

  • Aerith

    Votes: 20 14.2%

  • Tifa

    Votes: 121 85.8%
  • Total voters
    141
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DrakeClawfang

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
Celes Chere said:
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NEVER, YOU FILTHY CLERITH
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Clerith is the only reality. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. My hair tells me so!
 
Dashell

Dashell

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Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
But wasn't the original line about meeting Aerith something about wanting to meet all their fallen comrades? I keep hearing this but then I hear the "Let's go meet her" line is an actual translation...

I know I've asked this before but what I'm asking is, do we accept the "I think I can meet her there" line... or do we say it's not an accurate translation.
 
Isabella

Isabella

Your Mom
So Drake, I'm a gonna pick on you since you're about the only Clerith in here. :monster: If Cloud's pining away for Aerith and living with Tifa out of convenience, are you ok with that? I know a lot of Cleriths don't like Tifa (not talking about you specifically here) so they're ok with Tifa being treated poorly. But are they ok with a Cloud who would take advantage of a friend's obvious feelings for him?
 
DrakeClawfang

DrakeClawfang

The Wanderer of Time
Isabella said:
So Drake, I'm a gonna pick on you since you're about the only Clerith in here. :monster: If Cloud's pining away for Aerith and living with Tifa out of convenience, are you ok with that? I know a lot of Cleriths don't like Tifa (not talking about you specifically here) so they're ok with Tifa being treated poorly. But are they ok with a Cloud who would take advantage of a friend's obvious feelings for him?
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Someone doesn't follow my posts....
 
Isabella

Isabella

Your Mom
No, I do. I'm trying to suss out exactly where you stand. You say you accept Cloud's with Tifa, but in what context? Do you believe he loves her? And do believe he's still pining for Aerith?
 
Ryushikaze

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Quexinos said:
But wasn't the original line about meeting Aerith something about wanting to meet all their fallen comrades? I keep hearing this but then I hear the "Let's go meet her" line is an actual translation...

I know I've asked this before but what I'm asking is, do we accept the "I think I can meet her there" line... or do we say it's not an accurate translation.
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It's NOT an accurate translation. 'Her' is but one of the people referred to in the lines. They originally had NO signifying pronoun or name, and have been labelled as fallen comrades and Aerith that BOTH Cloud and Tifa were going to meet in Disman and UO.

In short, NO IT DOES NOT FUCKING MEAN CLOUD IS REJECTING TIFA, NOR IS SHE BUTTING THE FUCK IN.
 
Dashell

Dashell

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Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
Ryushikaze said:
It's NOT an accurate translation. 'Her' is but one of the people referred to in the lines. They originally had NO signifying pronoun or name, and have been labelled as fallen comrades and Aerith that BOTH Cloud and Tifa were going to meet in Disman and UO.

In short, NO IT DOES NOT FUCKING MEAN CLOUD IS REJECTING TIFA, NOR IS SHE BUTTING THE FUCK IN.
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You do realize I never meant this right?
 
Isabella

Isabella

Your Mom
I was actually hoping you'd expand on this idea, but I can see it's a lost cause.

Drake said:
Does Cloud love Tifa? Eeeh....at the moment, no, I don't quite think so. But I believe, as I always have, that he cares deeply for her. And he's living with her, so maybe in the future, he'll reciprocate her feelings for him.
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The Twilight Mexican

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TresDias
DrakeClawfang said:
*rings a bell*

Update! Remember like, a hundred pages ago, we talked about Cloud's line in Shade Impulse in Dissidia, "you're not the one I truly wish to meet". Found the English version of the line!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yap0O5lL-wc

Seph: Yet my shadow is burned into your heart. We'll meet again, Cloud. I'll keep coming back - as long as you are who you are.
Cloud: No thanks. The one I really want to meet is...

There's not many comments, but even the comments think he's talking about Aerith. :p
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Given where he is and that he looks up, he's definitely talking about Aerith.

By the way, I've actually compiled all of Dissidia's English script:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/psp/file/939394/57905

Isabella said:
Very well. Forgive me for trying to generate some actual discussion in this thread. Let's go back to firing .gifs at each other! That's much more stimulating!
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Hellz yeah!

But, no. This thread's title says it's about the LTD, so you're right. Who's up for a round of Whose Ribbon Is Aerith Wearing Today?

Actually, I was kind of interested in the question you'd asked Drake too. XD I was hoping to get a more detailed response, but the one he gave was very Drake, so... "To this above all: To thine own self be true."

Ryushikaze said:
It's NOT an accurate translation. 'Her' is but one of the people referred to in the lines. They originally had NO signifying pronoun or name, and have been labelled as fallen comrades and Aerith that BOTH Cloud and Tifa were going to meet in Disman and UO.
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Would you happen to have the page references for those? I have both books.

Honestly, I always thought he was talking about Aerith. It fits the context of the scene. He'd just seen her hand, and the person he's talking about going to see isn't identified within the sentence itself. It just makes sense.

Especially when you look at Dissidia and Advent Children.

Ryushikaze said:
In short, NO IT DOES NOT FUCKING MEAN CLOUD IS REJECTING TIFA, NOR IS SHE BUTTING THE FUCK IN.
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Ever think you've become somewhat jaded? XD

I know I couldn't have argued the LTD as long as you have. I mean, I obviously didn't try to, but in no longer than I've been back amongst you all, I've already become completely burned out on it.

Discussing Dissidia's plot has been so much more fun than all of the LTD talk.
 
Ryushikaze

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Tennyo said:
Discussion on Cloud's light is now over. Carry on.
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Oh, not just CLOUD's light. Mukki is EVERYONE'S light. He's the bloody Kingdom Heart.

And yes, the Kingdom Heart has crabs.

TresDias said:
But, no. This thread's title says it's about the LTD, so you're right. Who's up for a round of Whose Ribbon Is Aerith Wearing Today?
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Cissnei's.

Would you happen to have the page references for those? I have both books.
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Page number for Dismantling, I'm not sure. I don't have that one. I discussed it with Hitobito awhile back, on whether the two lines contrasted or complimented each other, but do not recall the page number of Dismantling. UO is p27, IIRC. She's referred to as 'The person Cloud and Tifa talked about meeting' If I recall that correctly.
Dismantling says of the scene 'Cloud and Tifa speak of reuniting with fallen comrades', again IIRC.

Honestly, I always thought he was talking about Aerith. It fits the context of the scene. He'd just seen her hand, and the person he's talking about going to see isn't identified within the sentence itself. It just makes sense.
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Oh, I'm not saying it's NOT her. I'm saying, in a very literal sense, the line was 'mistranslated', with the caveat that it's a perfectly acceptable shortcut, and that the meaning might be more broad than JUST her, a la Dismantling.

Especially when you look at Dissidia and Advent Children.
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Fair enough.

Ever think you've become somewhat jaded? XD

I know I couldn't have argued the LTD as long as you have. I mean, I obviously didn't try to, but in no longer than I've been back amongst you all, I've already become completely burned out on it.

Discussing Dissidia's plot has been so much more fun than all of the LTD talk.
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Honestly, I started somewhat jaded. I play around with Vs debates too, and well, some of the SW v ST humdingers make the majority of the LTD wallbangers look downright sane.
 
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