So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Makoeyes987]

She's wearing a tank top. She may be stretching the fabric, but her breasts are all covered.

And that's what makes her slutty.

 

[Isabella]

Tifa being a slut is open to interpretation, just like them being childhood friends and whether or not Cloud was happy with Tifa.

No no, if you're well-endowed you're a slut, regardless of your behavior. It's a well-known fact, according to this gal at GF whose name I forget. Look at me, I'm the biggest slut there is!

 

[Strangelove]

The difference is they don't think it's talking about her roles in the MOVIE because she's not a new character.

They're not talking about her roles in the movie. In a book all about the movie.

Also something about... something in one of the clauses meaning "This up to a certain point of time" or something... but it only applies to ally in battle and despite a native Japanese resident telling them that, they still think otherwise.

But ally is the last one mention, and unless Japanese has suddenly taken on a completely new grammatical style of putting modifying phrases after nouns and in a completely different clause and while modifying another word, that phrase shouldn't apply to the things preceding it like that. Plus what is a 'person who is loved by many who fought up to a certain time' supposed to mean?

Since it's talking about an action, fighting, that started in the past and continued but has concluded now (since it was in the past tense), I would think that's talking about the present (the film). In the film, she's an ally who had previously fought together with everyone, during the game. In the game, she was still fighting so that action hadn't concluded.

Cloud's a bottom?

I like where this is going.

Possibly, depending on where it's going.

 

[Ryushikaze]

There are not many examples, only those ones which you would expect since he has known her for so long and has fancied her and all.

Not many examples, but quite a lot more than the examples that Cloud had romantic interest in Aerith.

So are you saying he didn't want to go because of Aerith? because even if he was her friend he would of gone, so there must of been another reason for him not to be so keen as to go. The fact of being killed and not able to be with Tifa being one reason, equally you could argue that he didn't because Tifa might get jealous, its all guess.

...
TIFA was going to go meet up with Aerith.
CLOUD was not, UNTIL Tifa CONVINCED HIM.

And it didn't so there is no evidence, but he woulden't of done it with anyone else, so that a least goes towards something.

On WHAT do you base this? What about the OTHER THREE DATES?

lol true, but cid didn't have as many convos or one to one's with her, cloud being the main character could be an excuse for this though.

Plus Cid knowing her for like two days.

I know i keep saying this, but you would expect this since they have known each other for a long time, ofcourse cloud and tifa will be more close.

This has nothing to do with them 'knowing each other a long time' and everything to do with Cloud being interested in Tifa canonically.

No no, if you're well-endowed you're a slut, regardless of your behavior. It's a well-known fact, according to this gal at GF whose name I forget. Look at me, I'm the biggest slut there is!

I remember that gal. Might even have that thread archived. She was silly.

Addendum: FOUND HER! Verdandi. Big boobs= slutty

 

[Dashell]

But ally is the last one mention, and unless Japanese has suddenly taken on a completely new grammatical style of putting modifying phrases after nouns and in a completely different clause and while modifying another word, that phrase shouldn't apply to the things preceding it like that. Plus what is a 'person who is loved by many who fought up to a certain time' supposed to mean?

I know but they don't understand Japanese. None of their translators really seem to know it that well either.

Plus do you know how many people I've heard say Nomura said she's LIKE a sweetheart and LIKE an ally in battle? I think that's almost an insult XD

 

[Dashell]

Tres why did you tell them there was some third person omniscient in OTWTAS? Now you're gonna be quoted "Tres sad there's third person limited so it's Nojima stating that Cloud is Aerith's lover." I had a professional writer tell them it was third person limited and now with one statement you've discredited me AND him...

Tres

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I just want to know how that logic works in their minds. "Let's see, Tifa's significant roles in AC are that of a mother figure to the children, an ally to her friends, and the object of a no-longer-applicable crush."

Obviously, what she isn't is as vital to understanding her as what she is.

What did you think of the chapter where it listed all of the occupations Tifa's never held and never will?

He kissed the rain, obviously.

And Isabella takes one step closer to winning the Internet.

But ally is the last one mention, and unless Japanese has suddenly taken on a completely new grammatical style of putting modifying phrases after nouns and in a completely different clause and while modifying another word, that phrase shouldn't apply to the things preceding it like that.

It's about time you got caught up. Did you miss that memo? The fact that it was written under the new grammatical rules is no excuse.

yeah they might have a case if... if only koibito could mean "loved by many"

It will mean whatever is necessary in order to avoid Cloud recgonizing Tifa beyond a vaguely human-like automaton that cooks his meals. And you're going to like it, Que!

Tres why did you tell them there was some third person omniscient in OTWTAS? Now you're gonna be quoted "Tres sad there's third person limited so it's Nojima stating that Cloud is Aerith's lover." I had a professional writer tell them it was third person limited and now with one statement you've discredited me AND him...

Only thing I said was that a third person limited line doesn't require a sentence in the style of "he/she thought" to come right before or right after. Wherever that takes someone is up to them.

Besides, whether "koibito" always indicates reciprocity and whether the original game demonstrated Cloud and Aerith in a fashion that would qualify them "as a couple" is infinitely more imore importantant than whether that line was written in the third person limited.

 

[Raquelborn]

From the looks of things, it used to be that it's saying "Tifa is loved by a lot of people," like "she's such a sweetheart, everybody loves her." But now it's typically that it refers to Johnny or Rude having a crush on her. Which would be very out of place alongside such important roles -- to her, the film and the book (which is about the film) -- as motherhood and ally in battle.

And how exactly is this point argued against? Because I find it slightly absurd that people may think it could be refering to Johnny or Rude over the man she's in love with.

 

[Fighter]

And how exactly is this point argued against? Because I find it slightly absurd that people may think it could be refering to Johnny or Rude over the man she's in love with.

By pretending that it is not absurd.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Either by doing that or by using the argument Que mentioned a few pages back: that Tifa isn't presented as anyone's girlfriend in the movie since she there's no scenes involving hugging, kissing or holding hands.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Either by doing that or by using the argument Que mentioned a few pages back: that Tifa isn't presented as anyone's girlfriend in the movie since she there's no scenes involving hugging, kissing or holding hands.

...aren't these the same people that argued "the Japanese do not do such obvious things like hugging/kissing/holding hands in public because THEY IS RESERVED so Cloud/Aerith is clearly the real pairing because they went on a date."?

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

...aren't these the same people that argued "the Japanese do not do such obvious things like hugging/kissing/holding hands in public because THEY IS RESERVED so Cloud/Aerith is clearly the real pairing because they went on a date."?

The irony of that has just been recognized in my mind. I now chuckle.

 

[Raquelborn]

...aren't these the same people that argued "the Japanese do not do such obvious things like hugging/kissing/holding hands in public because THEY IS RESERVED so Cloud/Aerith is clearly the real pairing because they went on a date."?

Cloud and Tifa also went on a date. In fact it's not canon that he went on a date with either of them. Player's choice and all that.

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

Cloud and Tifa also went on a date. In fact it's not canon that he went on a date with either of them. Player's choice and all that.

If I remember right, it was said a few pages back that the scene in FFVII where Cloud and Aerith see Tifa going to Wall Market is a date. Because they talked.

Alone.

About some other man.

 

[Raquelborn]

If I remember right, it was said a few pages back that the scene in FFVII where Cloud and Aerith see Tifa going to Wall Market is a date. Because they talked.

Alone.

About some other man.

The perfect date.

And exactly what would that class Tifa and Cloud's "cuddling" under the Highwind then?

 

[Ryushikaze]

The perfect date.

And exactly what would that class Tifa and Cloud's "cuddling" under the Highwind then?

Rejection, of course.

Because you always let a woman cuddle post rejection.

 

[Fighter]

The perfect date.

And exactly what would that class Tifa and Cloud's "cuddling" under the Highwind then?

Since Japanese don't do this sort of thing obviously it was nothing.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Okay, a statement to generate some conversation.

Let's say that, in terms of the nature of the relationship, Cloti and Clerith represent opposite ends of the scale. Cloti is more of the realistic type of relationship with the couple having trouble, struggles and fights but ultimately staying together. Clerith is more of the fairy-tale type romance, destined lovers that fall for each other and fit together perfectly but isn't likely to work out in real life.

What would you guys have to say on that statement? Just trying to drum up debate. :p

 

[Dashell]

I would say why does it matter? The burden is in the proof.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I'd say pass that blunt over, Drake. You only need to puff twice. Don't hog.

 

[Strangelove]

Clerith is more of the fairy-tale type romance, destined lovers that fall for each other and fit together perfectly but isn't likely to work out in real life.

I still don't remember where it worked out in the fantasy world of the game.

Was it the part where Aerith cheated on Cloud with the Masamune?

 

[Isabella]

I'm not sure what the objection is to Drake's post, unless he's saying both are canon. If we're speaking hypothetically about what each pairing represents, I'd say he hit pretty close to the mark.

In my highly unscientific observations , it seems the more logical, pragmatic folks prefer Cloti and the more fanciful romantics prefer Clerith, generally speaking.

Also, arguing for a pairing doesn't necessarily mean you prefer them. I find Cloti a little dull, tbh. I tend to like sentimental, romantic stuff (yes, it's true) so I might prefer Clerith if it were actually developed, but there's really not much there. The shadow of Zack looms over everything.

 

[Vendel]

I don't know why Cloud and Tifa's relationship is not "fantasy" enough for some people. Now sure the mundane struggles of a young couple raising two children while both work all the while dealing with relationship strain is not exactly high fantasy. But everything that led up to that point is one hell of an epic story. I guess if you are not shitting rainbows everyday then it is not "fantasy".


I am also not sure how Cloud and Aeriths supposed relationship is more "fantasy". Unless wangst=fantasy.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Clerith is more of the fairy-tale type romance, destined lovers that fall for each other and fit together perfectly but isn't likely to work out in real life.

I would've agreed if Zack hadn't been Cloud's friend and Aerith's old boyfriend. Like I said before, I don't see Cloud being able to settle down comfortably with her, knowing that Zack couldn't do so because he lost his life trying to save him as well.

Though I've heard Cleriths brush Zack aside by saying one of his last lines in Crisis Core commend Aerith to Cloud's care...

Apart from that, though, I don't see why Cloud and Aerith wouldn't be likely to work out in real life.

 

[Isabella]

@Vendel: I'm looking more at ACC I guess. You're right; there is a lot that's romantic about the lead-up to their getting together.