So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Celes Chere]

Tifa starts out lower than Cloud so... no they weren't holding hands there...

I still think they were. Or at least, Tifa was holding his. And anyway, isn't there something stating they ARE holding hands during this time, or am I imagining things? I could have sworn there was. Even if there isn't, I'm sticking by my original thought since there's no real proof for or against it. *shrugs* I think people look way too fooking hard at scenes. Why can't it be simple? Their hands are together... therefore, they are holding hands. 1+1=2, and all that.

"Well my graphics teacher who's done 3D graphics for games for 15 years analyzed the scene and looked at it through a microscope frame by frame, and he says in order for them to be holding hands, Cloud would have to be tilted about 3/4ths an inch to the right and Tifa's hand is bigger than Cloud by .68ths so she's above him... stupid Clotis will say anything to prove their pairing" stuff

And, you didn't offend me. x'D

That graphics teacher can kinda sorta kiss my ass, too.

 

[Tennyo]

You know one thing I hate that both sides do is bringing in "experts" to tell us stuff. I guess we need graphics teachers to tell us that Cloud and Tifa aren't holding hands in this shot:

I mean come on, common sense and watching the scene will tell you they aren't holding hands.


Also finally (hopefully) put an end to the "3 versions of the highwind" myth. At least I posted my findings and saves, don't know how I can make it any more clear.

I never thought they were holding hands. When was it ever suggested that they were?

I mean, Cloud looks like he's higher up than Tifa to me. lol

Tifa starts out lower than Cloud so... no they weren't holding hands there... Anyways didn't mean to offend there, sorry. I'm just tired of the "Well my graphics teacher who's done 3D graphics for games for 15 years analyzed the scene and looked at it through a microscope frame by frame, and he says in order for them to be holding hands, Cloud would have to be tilted about 3/4ths an inch to the right and Tifa's hand is bigger than Cloud by .68ths so she's above him... stupid Clotis will say anything to prove their pairing" stuff

Because I'm so sure that their teacher would take the time out of their day to do that.

 

[Dashell]

Because I'm so sure that their teacher would take the time out of their day to do that.

Okay Im majority exaggerating with what the person said but... the point is we don't need someone with a degree in art to tell us they aren't holding hands.

 

[Celes Chere]

YOU'RE ALL GONNA BE SORRY WHEN THEY ARE CONFIRMED TO BE HOLDING HANDS.

>=D

 

[Tennyo]

@Quex: You're right, we don't.

I mean seriously are these people making up invalid arguments that no one has ever made before, then using their "proof" to debunk it and look better? Seems like this person is trying awfully hard to disprove something that no one even believes. :/

@Tiff: Sarcasm?

 

[Dashell]

I'm sure someone's made the argument before. Just as I've seen them say that Clotis will say that Aerith is a whore and I was like "Pffft, I bet no one ever said that." and I ran into such a Cloti the other day

Way to give us a bad name XD

 

[Makoeyes987]

Tifa starts out lower than Cloud so... no they weren't holding hands there... Anyways didn't mean to offend there, sorry. I'm just tired of the "Well my graphics teacher who's done 3D graphics for games for 15 years analyzed the scene and looked at it through a microscope frame by frame, and he says in order for them to be holding hands, Cloud would have to be tilted about 3/4ths an inch to the right and Tifa's hand is bigger than Cloud by .68ths so she's above him... stupid Clotis will say anything to prove their pairing" stuff

Dude, they started out at different levels but then when they met, they held hands and floated up together. If they didn't, why the hell were they still at the same level with their hands touching through the rest of the scene?

They didn't start out holding hands, they just grabbed each others along the weay.

 

[Dashell]

I mean seriously are these people making up invalid arguments that no one has ever made before, then using their "proof" to debunk it and look better? Seems like this person is trying awfully hard to disprove something that no one even believes. :/

They didn't start out holding hands, they just grabbed each others along the weay.

And now we know where the Cleriths got that some Clotis said they were holding hands

 

[Isabella]

Anyone have a link? It's been so long I can't remember.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Because they just coincidentally floated up through the entire scene with their hands touching and completely parallel. Right. That totally fits the thematic presentation of the scene. Who wouldn't have figured that one out.

Start at 7:30.

 

[Shadowfox]

I still think they were. Or at least, Tifa was holding his. And anyway, isn't there something stating they ARE holding hands during this time, or am I imagining things?

I think it was Maiden that said that they were holding hands as they were leaving the Lifestream.

 

[Dashell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHv2oKARuRw#t=4m45s

I think it was Maiden that said that they were holding hands as they were leaving the Lifestream.

Seriously? Well prove me wrong then... where does it say that?

OH HD Models
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvizE1S_sLY#t=7m25s
(doesn't prove anything I know but)

 

[Isabella]

Because they just coincidentally floated up through the entire scene with their hands touching and completely parallel. Right. That totally fits the thematic presentation of the scene. Who wouldn't have figured that one out.

I haven't watched the vid yet but I was going to make this point. Why choose to animate it in such a way that they're hands are OMG PARALLEL/OVERLAPPING if you didn't intend to communicate they were touching? Someone made the decision to present the sequence that way. I assume they had a reason.

 

[Makoeyes987]

It was a mistake, I'm sure. My hand brushes against people all the time. Why the hell would Cloud and Tifa hold hands after Cloud just revealed his secret crush for her, that he was there for her, and he always liked her?

Fuck, this guy just went on two dates with Aerith, you know. There's no way in hell he'd be holding her hand. He's taken and he knows it.

 

[Dashell]

Meh I'm standing by what I said, at most their fingertips are touching. it isn't a full hand hold. Unless there IS an official source saying they're holding hands, I don't plan on changing my mind.

 

[Tennyo]

Huh. Maybe they were. lol Can't say I ever noticed. XD It seems like something I would have, though.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Because unless a creator says they're in the Lifestream, they really aren't. We don't know for sure. We better confirm that as well.

 

[Shadowfox]

Seriously? Well prove me wrong then... where does it say that?

Urgh. Your unreasonable demand for proofz has just forced me to reread that novella and be subject to its silly egg/heart-y bits

Anyway, my mistake. Maiden didn't say that they held hands. It said that they embraced.

Not that it matters, as Maiden ain't official. (At least, its second half isn't.)

 

[Ryushikaze]

I have a question- if they aren't holding hands, then why does Tifa, going up at least twice as fast, suddenly slow down and match pace to rise with Cloud? Something had to retard her upward movement, and Cloud grabbing to her hand is the only logical explanation.

And yes, Maiden did say they were together going up, so it's not purely an american or 'Cloti' invention.

But yes, in the actual lo res models, their hands overlaps just as Tifa's speed slows to match Cloud's. Common sense says he grabs her hand.

 

[Isabella]

Now that I've watched it, I agree with Mako. Tifa was rising faster than Cloud, but when she caught up to him she stayed beside him, instead of passing him by as she should have. Either she deflated one of her breasts to slow herself down, or she grabbed his hand (or he grabbed hers or something).

Edit: D'oh, Ryu beat me to my point.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I have a question- if they aren't holding hands, then why does Tifa, going up at least twice as fast, suddenly slow down and match pace to rise with Cloud? Something had to retard her upward movement, and Cloud grabbing to her hand is the only logical explanation.

And yes, Maiden did say they were together going up, so it's not purely an american or 'Cloti' invention.

But yes, in the actual lo res models, their hands overlaps just as Tifa's speed slows to match Cloud's. Common sense says he grabs her hand.

A Cloti Did It.

 

[Dashell]

Anyway, my mistake. Maiden didn't say that they held hands. It said that they embraced.

well wait that's even better XD

common sense says he grabs her hand.

And it would pretty much HAVE to be that way if anyway unless Tifa reached behind her which doesn't make a lot of sense.

Still looks like just their fingertips are touching but w/e. It's not like we need this evidence.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Yeah, its not like we need to see the scenario for what it is and take its depiction at face value. They're just lightly grazing. No way are they holding.

Dude, they're holding hands, ffs. Why is that so hard to believe? Don't take the piss like that, please.

 

[Tennyo]

A Cloti Did It.

It's me. I'm trying to sabotage all of you and throw the world into a state of chaos.

 

[Isabella]

How would you depict hand holding when they have blocks for hands, anyway? The best you could do is show them overlapping, I'd imagine.