The most annoying fandom assumptions that make no sense and won't die.

[Lord Noctis]

To be fair, this is an easy one to make, there's not a whole lot of game after that!



She might be close, though.

I don't know, she blocked one hit, and it was fairly clear she was having a hard time with that. Don't get me wrong, she's tough. I just see no reason whatsoever to believe she could stand toe-to-toe with Sephiroth and have any hope of winning.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I just see no reason whatsoever to believe she could stand toe-to-toe with Sephiroth and have any hope of winning.

I refer you to

The fandom assumption that Sephiroth is the strongest fictional character ever to exist.

I'm not saying she's as strong as him, but the number of people who can block anything that Sephiroth can dish out can probably be counted on one hand. The assumption that she would be hopelessly outmatched against Sephiroth seems sort of screwy to me. While I haven't played BC, it didn't seem like 'was fairly clear she was having a hard time with that'. It just seemed like 'Hey I blocked your shot see ya'.

 

[Lord Noctis]

I refer you to



I'm not saying she's as strong as him, but the number of people who can block anything that Sephiroth can dish out can probably be counted on one hand. The assumption that she would be hopelessly outmatched against Sephiroth seems sort of screwy to me. While I haven't played BC, it didn't seem like 'was fairly clear she was having a hard time with that'. It just seemed like 'Hey I blocked your shot see ya'.

I didn't say she would be hopelessely outmatched, just that she could not win. Sephiroth is not the strongest fictional character, I agree with that. However, he is one of the strongest the FFVII universe has to offer even during the BC/CC timeline.

It was clear she was having a hard time, based on the dialogue, which consisted of Sephiroth complimenting her, while she groaned.

Now this next bit is an assumption, but I always got the impression whatching that scene that Sephiroth let her go. He just sort of stands there mulling over what she said, while she bolted. I get the impressionn that if Sephiroth had decided to go after her, she would have been in some serious shit.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I didn't say she would be hopelessely outmatched, just that she could not win.

Yeah you did!

and have any hope of winning.

Perhaps I am nitpicking. I am curious about this dialogue. Can someone show it to me?

 

[Lord Noctis]

Yeah you did!



Perhaps I am nitpicking. I am curious about this dialogue. Can someone show it to me?

No, I said she had no hope of winning, which is very different from having no hope of survival.

And yeah, I'll get you the video in question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oec8ZPRGis&feature=channel_page

 

[Cat Rage Room]

No, I said she had no hope of winning, which is very different from having no hope of survival.

Fair enough, but I would assume it would be a fight to the death. I can't imagine either one of them going "Well, I won, see ya!" afterwards. Maybe Sephiroth would be merciful if he was in a good mood and he got a blowjob the previous night, but Elfe would jump at the chance to take out Shinra's greatest weapon.

And yeah, I'll get you the video in question

I don't know. I am not saying she could most definitely take him out, but going 'Urgh!' exactly once and continuing normal conversation immediately afterwards (then pointeg her sword at him) isn't really...winning me over in favor of Sephiroth.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Yeah you did!



Perhaps I am nitpicking. I am curious about this dialogue. Can someone show it to me?

Fair enough, but I would assume it would be a fight to the death. I can't imagine either one of them going "Well, I won, see ya!" afterwards. Maybe Sephiroth would be merciful if he was in a good mood and he got a blowjob the previous night, but Elfe would jump at the chance to take out Shinra's greatest weapon.



I don't know. I am not saying she could most definitely take him out, but going 'Urgh!' exactly once and continuing normal conversation immediately afterwards (then pointeg her sword at him) isn't really...winning me over in favor of Sephiroth.

Well, I'm just going off the fact that she grunted, while Sephiroth was talking normally while their blades were crossed. After they broke the contact its no suprise she kept talking like normal, as she hadn't been injured, or fighting long enough to really wear down. Its just the difference of their reactions when the blades did meet upon which I base my statement.

But thats all kind of redundant since I think we agree that she is by no means his equal.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Well, I'm just going off the fact that she grunted, while Sephiroth was talking normally while their blades were crossed.

That would be a very good counter point, if it wasn't for the fact that Sephiroth almost never loses his cool, ever. If nothing else, that's his biggest weakness. Everyone else is aware of their shortcomings, faces them, and overcomes them. Sephiroth brushes his weaknesses aside and pretends they aren't there, and that's what got him killed twice.

But thats all kind of redundant since I think we agree that she is by no means his equal.

I am not saying that either!

 

[Lord Noctis]

That would be a very good counter point, if it wasn't for the fact that Sephiroth almost never loses his cool, ever. If nothing else, that's his biggest weakness. Everyone else is aware of their shortcomings, faces them, and overcomes them. Sephiroth brushes his weaknesses aside and pretends they aren't there, and that's what got him killed twice.



I am not saying that either!

So we don't agree on that? I must have misunderstood you when you said you didn't think she was as strong as him.

But anyway, good counterpoint. It mkaes it kinda hard to judge these things.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

She may not be as strong as him, but she may have a chance of winning, or at least drawing, in a fight with him. To be fair, we don't see much of her at all, but what we do see, is her going toe to toe with Sephiroth. It's sort of difficult to concretely say, so I'm speculating based on what I've seen.

 

[Lord Noctis]

She may not be as strong as him, but she may have a chance of winning, or at least drawing, in a fight with him. To be fair, we don't see much of her at all, but what we do see, is her going toe to toe with Sephiroth. It's sort of difficult to concretely say, so I'm speculating based on what I've seen.

Which is also what I'm doing. But there really isn't enough info to confirm it one way or another.

 

[OWA-2]

IIRC Elfe was able to block Sephiroth's attack due to the barrier around her created by the Zirconiade Materia.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

IIRC Elfe was able to block Sephiroth's attack due to the barrier around her created by the Zirconiade Materia.

I'm pretty sure that's right. It was draining her life force and giving her tremendous strength in return. When it was removed, she went back to normal, I think.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Yeah, she wasn't naturally that strong, I know.

 

[S and G]

I'm pretty sure that's right. It was draining her life force and giving her tremendous strength in return. When it was removed, she went back to normal, I think.

You could then argue that Sephiroth was drawing his strength from Jenova

My interpretation is that Elfe was able to parry Sephiroth's attack, even though it took effort on her part, which impressed Sephiroth as he was surprised that his usual one slice holocaust never occurred. She ran off an Sephiroth made no attempt to catch her. I disagree that she would have been an even match, just someone that was less vulnerable to his strength. I mean Zack went an entire round with him at the Mako Reactor (albeit was defeated) and Genesis had a decent go at him (where the ultimania says both were of equal strength) but those scenes were a much better reflection of others' strength against Sephiroth than the Elfe one ever was

 

[Tennyo]

Oh yeah hey this site is actually my favourite site ever for some of the most ridiculous rumours and fan assumptions made about FFVII: http://ff7rumors.tripod.com

That site is so old.

"Click for the latest news on the highly anticipated FF10."

lol wut?

 

[Alex]

Doesn't stop it being one of the most interesting FF7 sites around lol. I remember reading through that wen I was like 13/14ish and just started using the internet. Thems were the days.

 

[Dashell]

8. Mean to Tifa
Simple this one. Be nice to her all throughout the game, don't let her die in battle and be nasty to Tifa. If done correctly, Tifa will jump in the way of Sephiroth and she will get killed. People say this is the most believable rumour.

Personal Opinion: Didn't work... Rude

Status:False(PROVEN)

ROFL
that'd be great, I'd love to see that. And that's that most BELIEVABLE rumor? It makes no sense. What is that? Tifa's suicide?

 

[Tennyo]

I wonder who it was that that it was the most believable?

lol Oops there goes the Lifestream sequence. Sorry everyone but the world is going to blow up now because Cloud will remain a vegetable. XD

 

[Smaddy]

I wonder who it was that that it was the most believable?

lol Oops there goes the Lifestream sequence. Sorry everyone but the world is going to blow up now because Cloud will remain a vegetable. XD

Well, maybe then Cid would stay the leader and defeat Sephiroth with the power of profanity? XD

If Cloud stayed a vegetable though, AC/C would be an interesting movie.

 

[Tennyo]

AC would have consisted of Sephiroth chasing everyone through the Lifestream like he did Aerith in COLW.

 

[S and G]

Technically, it could be argued that had Tifa committed suicide during the first battle with the Turks, the group may have been a bit more safety conscious and the whole 'Aerith running away to the Forgotten Capital and sliced like a tomato' section may have been averted.

And then everything goes to shit.

 

[Smaddy]

Aerith would run away to the Forgotten Capital regardless. The thing that would prevent her from doing that is if Sephiroth couldn't get his hands on the Black Materia. But in the course of events in FF7, could that be prevented? Unless you could stop Cloud from losing his mind at that point, I don't think you could.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

You could then argue that Sephiroth was drawing his strength from Jenova

My interpretation is that Elfe was able to parry Sephiroth's attack, even though it took effort on her part, which impressed Sephiroth as he was surprised that his usual one slice holocaust never occurred. She ran off an Sephiroth made no attempt to catch her. I disagree that she would have been an even match, just someone that was less vulnerable to his strength. I mean Zack went an entire round with him at the Mako Reactor (albeit was defeated) and Genesis had a decent go at him (where the ultimania says both were of equal strength) but those scenes were a much better reflection of others' strength against Sephiroth than the Elfe one ever was

Just as a whole on Elfe, is it weird that I had an idea for a FF7 sequel where she returns to help Cloud fight some new enemy? Then we get Clefe and the LTD turns on its side...seriously, from what I've read about BC she seemed a cool character, I wouldn't mind her coming back for another game. If nothing else, she's the only swordswoman in the Compilation thus-far.

 

[Tennyo]

Technically, it could be argued that had Tifa committed suicide during the first battle with the Turks, the group may have been a bit more safety conscious and the whole 'Aerith running away to the Forgotten Capital and sliced like a tomato' section may have been averted.

And then everything goes to shit.

Wait, where does the idea of Tifa committing suicide after the first Turk battle (with Reno on the pillar I presume?) come from?