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[Hisako]

Nintendo's predecessor console has a reputation for having a huge third-party lineup consisting of mostly horseshit. By a very rough measure of the Metacritic scores there's a much greater proportion of non-Nintendo Wii games that have simply been bargain bin rubbish.

This isn't to say that this was a trend exclusive to the Wii in that generation, nor does it mean that the WiiU will continue that trend (The opposite is likely, since the quality of their games will be raised due to the greater graphical and processing power).
But where Nintendo has their work cut out for them is where they offer quality third-party games that are exclusive to the WiiU, since current-gen ports for games that already exist on other current-gen consoles aren't exactly going to sell like hotcakes, and multiplatform games are going to be relatively shortchanged (although not as much as this generation) when compared to the other consoles.

I suppose on the flip side of the Xbox One's downclocking (if it does actually happen) is that there might be more emphasis on optimising games and focusing on solid gameplay rather than making it graphically compete with the PS4, because I think sometimes people forget that it isn't always fucking Armaggedon when a game doesn't look as anti-aliased on one console as it does on the other (see: Final Fantasy XIII)

I wouldn't be surprised if they changed their rules again before launch. They're making a right mess of the PR, if nothing else.

Actual knowledge of the context (whether or not they had this policy in place already before the announcement) aside, would you would consider this worse than, y'know, not changing/clarifying anything at all?

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

I am talking about Sony, not fucking spam. The PS4, is a more mature product surely of this generation?

I haven't seen too much of an improvement by the PS4 over the PS3 yet, tbh.

 

[Geostigma]

I haven't seen too much of an improvement by the PS4 over the PS3 yet, tbh.

Thats because the changes arent going to be apparent in screen shots and stills.

Since im very well versed with Battlefield 3 ill use it as an example.

Battlefield 3 on the PS3's quality is lower then the PC versions lowest quality settings. Take that in for a second.
Further more its only 30fps and at sub 720p resolution. And this is for a game that is largely considered one of the better looking games of this generation.

With the PS4 specs announced the console can easily play BF3 on high to ultra at a steady 60fps at 1080p.

Furthermore it could probably play BF4 (easily the prettiest next gen game announced yet) steadily at medium to high settings.

IIRC the PS4 specs are about 16x improvement over current gen. Its really nothing to scoff at.

 

[Flintlock]

Actual knowledge of the context (whether or not they had this policy in place already before the announcement) aside, would you would consider this worse than, y'know, not changing/clarifying anything at all?

No, of course not. "Better late than never" and so on. Microsoft still have time to change their stance, or at least make it crystal clear to potential buyers. E3 is a good opportunity for them to do so. But if they change it considerably, it will be perceived as an embarrassing climb-down, and if they release additional information, it will seem like they're just making it up as they go along. Not good PR for them either way.

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

Thats because the changes arent going to be apparent in screen shots and stills.

Since im very well versed with Battlefield 3 ill use it as an example.

Battlefield 3 on the PS3's quality is lower then the PC versions lowest quality settings. Take that in for a second.
Further more its only 30fps and at sub 720p resolution. And this is for a game that is largely considered one of the better looking games of this generation.

With the PS4 specs announced the console can easily play BF3 on high to ultra at a steady 60fps at 1080p.

Furthermore it could probably play BF4 (easily the prettiest next gen game announced yet) steadily at medium to high settings.

IIRC the PS4 specs are about 16x improvement over current gen. Its really nothing to scoff at.

Yeah but that's just graphical shit. Of course it's gonna have better graphics. I'm talking improvements in other areas.

 

[Geostigma]

All that social shit is a pretty big improvement imo.

Being able to toss up your gameplay when ever you like is a really nice thing, considering if you want to do that in HD this generation (and everyone before it) you would either need to be on PC or own a 200$+ pvr.

Gaikai integration, trying games out for free, letting your friend take over remotely. How are those not improvements?

As opposed to the wii u's... 3 hour garbage "controller" lol.

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

All that social shit is a pretty big improvement imo.

Being able to toss up your gameplay when ever you like is a really nice thing, considering if you want to do that in HD this generation (and everyone before it) you would either need to be on PC or own a 200$+ pvr.

Gaikai integration, trying games out for free, letting your friend take over remotely. How are those not improvements?

As opposed to the wii u's... 3 hour garbage "controller" lol.

I suppose those are improvements, but not really ones I'd care about(except the trying out games for free thing, that seems pretty cool), as I'm not too much of a social gamer. While I do like gaming with my friends and family, I usually game by myself.

And the Wii U's controller is actually pretty nifty. It's got moar buttons, it's own screen, and for alot of games allows you to switch the game over to the screen on the gamepad while someone else watches TV. The short battery life is a small price to pay. And the Wii U itself also features improved graphics and has backwards compatibility, as well as other new features such as Miiverse. And I'm betting it'll get the best exclusives now that Nintendo has popped its bubble of kid-friendliness.

Not that it matters, as I'll probably end up getting both anyway.

And for those of you saying "I'm sticking to PC", I have this to say: enjoy your Windows 8. Of course you could always just get a Mac, but they don't make too many games for those.

Though honestly, methinks the 3DS will be the best next-gen console. You can find one online for as cheap as $100-$150 and contains many improvements over the DSi and DS, and I've yet to find any flaws with mine.

 

[laurence]

The Wii U, while it may not be a next gen hardware wise, from what I've read, it's more innovative as a console than the other two...While I can see myself using the sharing perks on the PS4 for some games, I'm not obsessed about it.

 

[Zee]

the share feature on the ps4 seems like it's gonna be a real mixed bag. would you simply be livestreaming, or can you edit the videos too? the other thing is that there's already a looooot of people jumping on the LP bandwagon, meaning we're gonna have to shift through more garbage LPers who think pewdiepie is a role model.

i also don't really get the point of having someone take over your game. i mean, i guess there's people out there who really really need help? but dang why even pick up a controller if you're gonna give it up halfway through

on the upside though it could give someone else a chance to sample gameplay before committing to buying a game, which is lightyears better than "loan a game and never get it back"

And the Wii U itself also features improved graphics and has backwards compatibility

i will give it up to nintendo for not being a dick about backwards compatibility. the wii u controller does have a lot of potential (hey WHAT IF you brought fatal frame to the wii u??? CONCEPTS) but, like the wii controller, it's more on a case by case basis. when it works for a game, it's great, but the other 90% of the time it's a damn inconvenience. so you have to shell out an extra $40 just for the pro controller, because there's no reason you need a tablet to play games like assassin's creed.

i could take this opportunity to scream about crystal chronicles again but that would just be petty

(screams internally)

 

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@Zee: Not to derail this thread entirely with chat about other consoles, but for the controller hand-off, the main thing I can think of is multi-person RPG playthroughs. I'm not sure if I'm the only person who did this, but I played through a lot of JRPG games hanging out with other people and watching some of the time, playing some of the time. All my friends who I did this with (including my little brother) don't live close anymore, and the ability to do the same thing via an internet connection seems really cool to me.


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[The Twilight Mexican]

I actually think the share feature is pretty cool. I don't know how many times I've wanted to show off part of a game to someone because I was sure "this alone would make you want it."

In any case, I won't be getting any of these new consoles for at least a couple of years, so it may not matter much. I have a lot of PS3 titles to play -- probably enough to keep me busy until I feel a new system is justified.

 

[Hisako]

See this is the thing about the Playstation 4's share feature - they keep marketing it as "let someone play the game for you in case you get stuck or something" (or, at the very least is the angle I saw from it), which is a pretty condescending thing to gamers who are often passionate about their playthroughs and feel like they're marketing something of a cop-out move.

A "let other gamers try a game they haven't bought yet" would be a much smarter angle with which to approach the sharing feature, because 'politically' it would be an indirect counter to the game-sharing hoo-hah the gaming community is kicking a stink over for the Xbox One.

Anyway, enough PS4 in the Xbox One thrad, geddoutta here

And for those of you saying "I'm sticking to PC", I have this to say: enjoy your Windows 8. Of course you could always just get a Mac, but they don't make too many games for those.

Not sure that you know how PC gaming works.

The point of PC gaming is that gamers aren't restricted to one piece of hardware or software. We ain't beholden to a particular graphics card, or CPU, or a specific amount of RAM, or an operating system. Windows 8 is undeniably a crock of shit compared to Windows 7 when it comes to desktop computing (I hear it's a very, very competent OS for phones and tablets, but meh), but here's the thing - PC gamers don't have to use Windows 8 in order to play the next-generation games.

To put it in a very, very strong generalisation, Windows 8 is (if memory serves me right) A Windows 7 Basic shell with touch and tablet GUI sensibilities. They both function off DirectX 11, and at the very least graphically the two OSes operate in virtually the same way. I'd go out on a limb here and say that most gamers will likely be sticking to Windows 7 for many years to come, augmenting their desktops with replacement graphics cards and RAM sticks whenever their systems won't cut it. People don't have to wait to spend 600 dollars on the next console when they can either reduce their settings or shell out about half as much money for a new graphics card.
The PC is what most developers start their game development on, so it's a bit silly to insinuate that next-generation games won't be made for it.

 

[Joe]

One last thing on the PS4 game-sharing. I for one think it's an awesome innovation and improvement, and probably the best thing they have going for them right now in the console war. They are definitely not doing it a service by marketing it simply as a 'let somebody beat the part you're stuck on' kind of thing.

The other obvious application is letting somebody try something before they buy it, giving you the option of letting your friends try yours out before they make a decision.

Another cool application is showing people things during your playthroughs, whether they have the game or not. For instance if you're playing an RPG it's likely that your character handles much differently than your fellow gamer who is also playing this game. Here's an opportunity to say 'Hey check out my biotic Shepard, since you're used to playing soldier' or 'Yeah well this is what it feels like to play as a rogue'.

Of course this can be applied in non-RPG games a lot as well, but those are just some examples. It gives you the opportunity to let your friends play parts of a game that are unique to your own playthrough.

@thread: While I agree with the 'better late than never' approach to Microsoft's decision to retcon the used game thing, I'm also fairly blown away with the stupidity and obvious approach on their end.

You can almost see it being a sort of 'Well we're going to TRY and extort them for as much as we can and we'll slowly chip away at how much we take from them if their feedback is massively negative'

I've always been an Xbox person but I've lost faith completely. If I don't get a decent gaming rig put together then I'll be on to the PS4.

 

[Geostigma]

See this is the thing about the Playstation 4's share feature - they keep marketing it as "let someone play the game for you in case you get stuck or something" (or, at the very least is the angle I saw from it), which is a pretty condescending thing to gamers who are often passionate about their playthroughs and feel like they're marketing something of a cop-out move.

I disagree. I dont see it as condescending at all tbh.
I see it as a very relate-able scenario I for one have been in that position where I just could not beat a certain boss at all, or make a certain jump in a platformer and im sure we all have too.

I see them pointing out that very common occurrence says to me they get us as gamers on a core level because thats actually something that could and does happen.

A "let other gamers try a game they haven't bought yet" would be a much smarter angle

On the other hand I see this angle as more of a PR bullshit kind of angle lol. I guess well just have to agree to disagree.

Anywho definitely agree with everything else you said.

And for those of you saying "I'm sticking to PC", I have this to say: enjoy your Windows 8. Of course you could always just get a Mac, but they don't make too many games for those.

If thats all you have to say on the subject then its quite clear you dont know enough to be a part of that discussion

 

[Hisako]

I disagree. I dont see it as condescending at all tbh.
I see it as a very relate-able scenario I for one have been in that position where I just could not beat a certain boss at all, or make a certain jump in a platformer and im sure we all have too.

Obviously not all gamers are alike and it also depends on how into the game they are, but there are people who I know who absolutely hate it when certain games are like "You have died multiple times, would you like to lower the difficulty?"
Often it simply drives them further onward to die even more times. Like, if they died multiple times on a higher difficulty was it ever their intention to lower the difficulty at any point? duh. =P

 

[Carlie]

About the PS4 game-sharing, I'm honestly really bad with some games especially first person shooters so I usually pass the controller to my little brother when there's something really hard that I'm completely failing at. The share feature is good for me in those situations because my little brother bitches about helping every single time.

 

[Interslicery]

I was listening to a podcast awhile ago about how one of the hosts was moving out of the country, and the game-sharing thing would be great for them since they can chat on skype yet still play single player games together.

 

[Hisako]

SO UH YEAH XBOX ONE EH

Used game fees are determined by publishers rather than Microsoft themselves

Microsoft has said that the availability of preowned games on the Xbox One will be decided by individual publishers but that eligible Xbox One games will be able to be traded and resold without paying a fee.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image..._78066_screen.jpg&blog=1&rgroup=e3-2013_story
Provided individual publishers--such as EA and Activision--allow it, titles purchased physically will be able to be traded in at participating retailers for either cash or in-store credit.

"In our role as a game publisher," reads a statement from Microsoft, "Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers."

"Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games," adds the platform holder.

Provided the individual publisher approves, disc-based Xbox One games are also able to be traded between friends, but only once per game. There are no fees for trading titles between friends, Microsoft says, but users are required to have been friends on Xbox Live for at least 30 days before making a trade.

Microsoft says that there will be no option to loan or rent software at the launch of the Xbox One, but that it is "exploring the possibilities with our partners."

All Xbox One games will be available digitally and in stores on the day of release, Microsoft adds.

The Xbox One was officially unveiled last month in an event held at Microsoft's campus in Redmond, Washington. At the time, a report suggested there would be a fee attached to preowned sales.

Microsoft will be showing off its catalog of Xbox One titles next week at E3 2013 in Los Angeles. GameSpot will be in attendance.

 

[Zee]

get ready for EA to tell you to bend and spread

 

[Kermitu Kleric Katie]

I thought of a way Nintendo's advertising could be worse than Microsoft's. Just imagine, the next time Nintendo announces a new console, it goes like this:

Spoiler: Warning: Long

"Ladies and gentlemen, introducing: the WiiWii! It has an awesome TV experience! You can watch TV! It's great for watching TV! Watch TV on your WiiWii! Did we mention TV? You can totally watch TV! We all love TV, right? There's TV, plus more TV, and you can totally watch the TV! And the TV totally comes with a TV remote, and an excellent TV experience! So enjoy TV! TV is so great. And there is TV on our new system. Isn't TV wonderful? Plus there's sports! And you can watch them on the TV! That's right, we said TV! Moar TV, anybody? Gotta Love that TV! And we totally have TV! You can switch from your game straight to the TV! Let's talk about the wonderful TV! We haven't forgotten to talk about TV, have we? That's right: TV. You heard me, I said TV. Let's go WiiWii, with your wonderful TV! Let's say it: TV! Once more: TV! TV is so great! Isn't it wonderful that we have TV on our brand new console? And I think we mentioned sports earlier didn't we? Let's talk about sports. That's right, we have sports. Sports are great! We know you loved Wii Sports. Well now you can watch sports, too! Playing sports is totally a favorite pastime of gamers! We bet you even love sports more than gaming, right guys? Well we've got just the sports for you! EA sports! Play sports games! Watch sports games on your equally wonderful television! We need to talk more about the television. The TV, also known as the television, is totally featured on our new console! We know you wanna watch television! We have television all right. Plenty of television. Isn't it as awesome as TV? Oh wait, it's the same thing as TV! TV is great! WiiWii is about to become the next water cooler. It's got sports on the television! Let's talk moar about television. Who cares if we've already talked plenty about television? I'm thrilled to announce a live-action Mario television series. You're television and your TVs also allow you to watch sports! That's right: Sports. Sports on your television! Your TV! Don't you love the TV? Well we have plenty of TV to go around! Plus we've got Call of Duty! That's right: Call of Duty! And this time it's crossing over with Mario for Call of Duty: Boos. That's right, Mario and Call of Duty, in an entirely new Call of Duty, for the next generation. Call of Duty and Mario go so well together don't you think. And that's not even the best feature of this new Call of Duty. There's something else this Call of Duty also has! This Call of Duty, is a Call of Duty, with Mario, including Boo. One of the fascinating new additions to your squad, is a dog. This Chain Chomp, is someone you care about in Call of Duty. Call of Duty, Mario, Boo, and Chain Chomps. How does that not scream perfect Call of Duty? This Call of Duty will be the best yet. We're even considering making Call of Duty our new flagship series! We might even make Call of Duty a part of the Mario series, just like Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario! Just imagine: Call of Duty characters and settings in our next Mario game. All of the new storyline, in Call of Duty, provides a huge focus on Mario and your Chain Chomps. The Call of Duty also provides a large focus on the titular Boos. You're gonna love the new Call of Duty. The next Call of Duty will also be completely Nintendo exclusive, because Mario is not allowed on non-Nintendo consoles. Call of Duty goes great with Mario. Call of Duty may even cross over with other Nintendo franchises such as Pikmin and Zelda. Our new Mario model is taken from actually scans of a real fat plumber. Now you can see a realistic Mario in Call of Duty! Call of Duty will be featuring a new character in the next Smash Bros. game: the dog from Call of Duty: Ghosts. We hope you will go out and buy a WiiWii when it comes out later this year! Oh yeah, and you can't loan games to a friend, and used games will require an additional fee. But to make up for it, you won't be featuring a virtual console nor will we allow you to play your GameCube, Wii, Wii U, etc. games. And in order to play, you need internet connection on at ALL times, even for single player! And for motion controls, instead of that old Wii remote, we have a Kinect rip-off: the Interkoars, which is what you will use to watch TV, by way which you do so by waving your arms and shouring at the screen! And remember that Mario TV show we mentioned? We're also gonna make terrible live-action TV adaptations of your other favorite games, including: Pokemon, Zelda, Mother, Metroid, Pikmin, Mr. Game & Watch, F-Zero, Star Fox, Kirby, Ice Climbers, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Wario and of course, Call of Duty! All will be directed by James Cameron and George Lucas, the latter of whom will make sure every episode of every show features Jar Jar in some way, while the former makes sure every episode is a rip-off of something else. And the new Interkoars allows us to spy on you while you masturbate, like a technological ceiling cat! And our graphics are just as good as the Wii U's! We hope you will buy a a WiiWii, coming (hopefully) never to a store near you!"

 

[Flintlock]

 

[Lex]

Recap of conference:

Showed no games that I found interesting.
Showed mostly multiplatform games.
Announced a new Halo by a different dev team.
Announced the console would be $500 in US, and £425 in the UK. That's Almost $700 for the UK.
Did not speak at all about used games.

Fuck you Microsoft.

 

[Splintered]

I didn't think the game line up was too terrible tbh, Dead Rising 3, Sunset Overdrive looked interesting, Titan Fall isn't my cup of tea but it looks quality.

But at a 500 price range there's not enough there. I would not buy a console for any of those games. And they never said anything about used games, this conference didn't change my mind.

EDIT: my favorite part was the Battlefield 4 presentation. And that close up on the big monitor of that guy just waiting there.

 

[Unlucky]

There's a new Killer Instinct