SPOILERS Crazed fan drives Kazushige Nojima to no longer discuss FFVII on twitter

[OWA-2]

I would think that counts though. Especially since the ones who are making ff7R, were apart of ff7OG. I also read there were recent death threats to remake Tifa's japanese voice actress. I'll bet Nojima took all of this into account. Unless he's a person that thinks "well, it didn't happen to me, so I don't care."

Of course he took that into account. It's absurd to think Nojima would stop talking(about FF7) to an entire community, because of a single person(who could have been easily blocked).

 

[Maidenofwar]

Big yikes is all I'm going to say. Yikes. Big yikes.

 

[Fiz]

Of course he took that into account. It's absurd to think Nojima would stop talking(about FF7) to an entire community, because of a single person(who could have been easily blocked).

I agree, I also think the people who are rounding on this guy need to take a step back and look in the mirror, because it isn't just him, its you too.

There is no way on gods green earth a shipper tweeting that they want a romantic plot to go one way or another is going to cause a creator to step back from discussing a game. Thats just silly.

Groups of shippers (responders to this guy are also likely shippers because nobody else would be offended enough to care) and Otaku who try to defend "Japanese sensibilities" - which is a certain kind of toxic in its own right, causing a shitshow and getting angry, and crazies threatening people, would likely wear a creator down and thinking, "I can't be doing with this crap".

 

[Makoeyes987]

"He took it into account", and "tweeting they want a romantic plot to go one way"

Did you not read what the Japanese articles written on this topic have said? Or what Jairus did?

I feel like you're roughly summating/extrapolating a whole meaning/experience while ignoring what actually happened, with tangible proof in reality.

This is about Jairus, not some vague group of "shippers" reaching out to Nojima. Jairus wasn't just "asking," he was legit threatening. Repeatedly. And that in turn is called harassment.

Shipping may facilitate toxic behaviors/actions towards each other, which is what enabled Jairus to act how he does. But to say that this is something everyone's been doing is a huge generalization, especially when the person who caused this and their message is right there, being highlighted as an offensive message that caused Nojima to act. This isn't ambiguous. Yes, Jairus is the one who prompted Nojima to say that.

 

[Erotic Materia]

For one, I have to say
Until you've read every
Crazy thing that
King Clessie™ has spouted

Just consider that maybe
All shippers don't behave that way.
I don't even consider myself a shipper
Really, I'm not attached to the Cloti thing because
Ultimately it's a fake relationship that
Shouldn't affect your real-world behavior.

 

[Roundhouse]

EM, are you writing a poem? XD

 

[Erotic Materia]

 

[Makoeyes987]

Look at the first letters of each of his sentences

 

[Roundhouse]

 

[Fiz]

"He took it into account", and "tweeting they want a romantic plot to go one way"

Did you not read what the Japanese articles written on this topic have said? Or what Jairus did?

I feel like you're roughly summating/extrapolating a whole meaning/experience while ignoring what actually happened, with tangible proof in reality.

This is about Jairus, not some vague group of "shippers" reaching out to Nojima. Jairus wasn't just "asking," he was legit threatening. Repeatedly. And that in turn is called harassment.

Shipping may facilitate toxic behaviors/actions towards each other, which is what enabled Jairus to act how he does. But to say that this is something everyone's been doing is a huge generalization, especially when the person who caused this and their message is right there, being highlighted as an offensive message that caused Nojima to act. This isn't ambiguous. Yes, Jairus is the one who prompted Nojima to say that.

I was pointing out that people creating shitstorms on twitter are contibuting to the toxic environment, as your BIB rightly highlights. This escalates situations which, for the people in the middle (Nojima in this case) makes the situation worse.

What Jarius was doing is wrong, but to pile Nojimas stepping back onto one person, even if theyre an idiot, is too much.

Or, put another way, I think a lot of people need to grow up, these are characters in videogames.

 

[Makoeyes987]

What Jarius was doing is wrong, but to pile Nojimas stepping back onto one person, even if theyre an idiot, is too much.

I mean, while what you're saying is right, I don't think this fact is too much.

If someone finds a bunch of containers of unsecured gasoline just out in the open, and decides to light a match and ignite it to make a "statement," that's still their action they chose to do.

Yes, the people who left a bunch of gasoline unsecured out in the open are responsible for poor safety management, but the nutjob deciding to blow it up is still a nutjob who made that choice. I think both can be true simultaneously.

 

[Fiz]

I mean, while what you're saying is right, I don't think this fact is too much.

If someone finds a bunch of containers of unsecured gasoline just out in the open, and decides to light a match and ignite it to make a "statement," that's still their action they chose to do.

Yes, the people who left a bunch of gasoline unsecured out in the open are responsible for poor safety management, but the nutjob deciding to blow it up is still a nutjob who made that choice. I think both can be true simultaneously.

Because I see it more like, you have groups of people who are arguing, egging each other on, it escalates the situation and the more unhinged people escalate further.

While I admit, I havent looked into this too deeply, but from what I did see, I think a lot of people didn't come across looking good and were escalating the situation from the beginning.

Specifically in regards to Nojima stepping back. Crazy fans are par for course, he isnt the first and wont be the last. I doubt a creator would necesarily step back because of one person, even if that person was the final straw. But more, due to a wider toxicity and the drama that surrounds it.

 

[Erotic Materia]

While I admit, I havent looked into this too deeply

You should.

 

[Fiz]

You should.

Lol, I dont know whether I have the energy. What I saw was more than enough.

 

[looneymoon]

I get the impression that Nojima is cool with, and even entertained by, shippers in general.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Because I see it more like, you have groups of people who are arguing, egging each other on, it escalates the situation and the more unhinged people escalate further.

This is generally true, however....

While I admit, I havent looked into this too deeply, but from what I did see, I think a lot of people didn't come across looking good and were escalating the situation from the beginning.

You need to, because you're missing a lot. This is not about "a lot of people" or how they "come across." This is about one dude, a very obsessed, manipulative, unhinged and combative fandom pest who has been harassing Nojima along with multiple other FFVII fans, artists, and writers with his obsession over Jessie.

This is not about "other people." There isn't a movement of Jessie/Cloud stans looting and pillaging FFVII fandom with impunity. Yeah, the FFVII fandom has toxic members who could arguably one day turn into another Jairus but you're making generalizations about specific behaviors/people that... Aren't generalizable.

I doubt a creator would necesarily step back because of one person, even if that person was the final straw. But more, due to a wider toxicity and the drama that surrounds it.

You'd be surprised. Cause that's what happened.

 

[looneymoon]

if a crazed cloud/aeris or cloud/tifa fan was annoying the writer, their Twitter page would probably just be filled with fan art and some squabbles with other fans.

the difference with jairus is that his post history shows how unhinged he is about all this, compared to the run of the mill obsessive fan. if the multiple tweets @ing Nojima weren't freak in and of themselves, one look at his page would be.

 

[KindOfBlue]

I find it hard to believe this is the first time a dev was made aware of how ridiculous the worst of shippers can be. You’ve all seen how intense the LTD is, would you really put it past some of the most toxic of shippers to have tried something like Jairus did?

By no means is this meant to absolve him of his behavior. It’s just that there’s millions of people who’ve interacted with this franchise over 20+ years. I highly doubt Nojima went all of that time completely unaware of the toxicity in the LTD. I just don’t see why we shouldn’t factor in the community’s behavior as a whole into his decision to disengage.

 

[Ite]

Am I the only one that thinks this was an inevitability of splitting the game into parts? Fandom gonna be crazy on Twitter, either thicken your skin, get a Twitter manager, or disengage, that’s the price of writing a franchise story. Looks like he chose the latter option, totally valid choice. Obviously I don’t want to excuse unhinged Twitter behaviour. But that’s the way it is.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Am I the only one that thinks this was an inevitability of splitting the game into parts?

It's the inevitability of being contemporary and relevant in the age of social media.

Like, in terms of statistics, something as big as FFVII is going to attract/draw someone unhinged. Hell, it's been doing that for decades.

Summoner Yuna, SephirothSlave, Jenny-Nova, "Hojo", the "FFVII House," Destiny Fulfilled, etc etc etc...

Like, this is the twisted fandom fate of FFVII.

So of course FFVII-Remake is going to draw out a new era of unhinged fans. This time, they've apparently leveled up with the boost given by social media.

 

[Ite]

I'm saying it wouldn't really be an issue if the game was finished. It's that fans think they have a say in how the story concludes that draws out this insane entitlement. Stephen King talked about that as he was writing the last few books of the Dark Tower (and I think it negatively impacted the story tbh, it becomes very meta and about the crushing pressure of oh wait that sounds like 7R) and that was before social media.

 

[Phantasia]

I'm saying it wouldn't really be an issue if the game was finished. It's that fans think they have a say in how the story concludes that draws out this insane entitlement.

Yeah, I agree. Makes me wish we were already done with the remake so people would stop suggesting or demanding so many changes.

If you want the story you supposedly "love" so much to be totally different, may as well invest your time in something else. (Something that fulfills your expectations.)

 

[Ryushikaze]

LOL wow. That was... A lot of psychic damage to take in at once.



LOL yeah it's like they've never seen...

*gestures broadly to FFs 1 through 6, 8, 9, 10, 12....*

Well, in FF3 the caring girl who puts others before herself winds up dead as well, but that tracks for all the other games. And it tracks for FF7 too. Both Aerith and Tifa are that archetype. One's just shy, the other's outgoing and it's a tweest! which one is which.

That's part of the reason 15 is one of my favorites. Death death and more death lol

EVEN THEN, the heroine gets a happy ending there, somehow being married to the man she loves and is either a god, married in the afterlife, or brought back to life outright because FFXV's novel was strange.

 

[Avinacode101]

… Anyone watch the movie Misery? Seems relevant here…

 

[LNK]

EVEN THEN, the heroine gets a happy ending there, somehow being married to the man she loves and is either a god, married in the afterlife, or brought back to life outright because FFXV's novel was strange.

From what I've read, I thought the novel was more of an alternate ending. I didn't think it was canon