SPOILERS FFVII:R Chapter 14 Spoiler Discussion
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Rydeen
In-KWEH-dible
I’m almost as stingy in games as I am in real life. I always end up using hardly any items in games until like the last boss.
Edit: @Odysseus, I didn’t need to grind at all on Normal. I did not actually attempt to play Ch 18 though. I really needed to get it done ASAP for the sake of my personal life.
Edit: @Odysseus, I didn’t need to grind at all on Normal. I did not actually attempt to play Ch 18 though. I really needed to get it done ASAP for the sake of my personal life.
Shademp
420
Grinding is far from necessary but I find it relaxing.
EDIT: Also, I find it satisfying to meet the final boss like this.
@LicoriceAllsorts The Colosseum awards you with money consistently enough that if you keep battling you won't end up with a loss.
THE FEELS
EDIT: Also, I find it satisfying to meet the final boss like this.
@LicoriceAllsorts The Colosseum awards you with money consistently enough that if you keep battling you won't end up with a loss.
Ryvius said:
THE FEELS
LicoriceAllsorts
Donator
Oh same guys!
Grinding is like meditating to me. I'm actively annoyed that the enemies won't respawn if I just run around in the same place long enough.
I feel like a winner if I end the game still clutching every single item I picked up along the way.
Grinding is like meditating to me. I'm actively annoyed that the enemies won't respawn if I just run around in the same place long enough.
I feel like a winner if I end the game still clutching every single item I picked up along the way.
Theozilla
Kaiju Member
I finally finished Chapter 14 this evening after grinding up to level 41 for everyone (I wanted to unlock Bahamut, but I think I will wait to actually challenge him until chapter 16 or 17). Also did every sidequest and did the pull up mini-game, though I wasn’t able to beat the Pro difficultly yet.
Saven
Pro Adventurer
I grinded enough to get money needed to buy equipment that I wanted for everyone, the most expensive choices (Luxury Massage), or to max out all green materia for the Battle Intel report (Thank god they finally threw a AP Up at you for Revival, or I would most likely still be in this chapter), then I moved on. I didn't do it a whole lot, but just a few places so I could have everything I needed to challenge myself early with bosses like Bahamut. I usually don't mind grinding unless I'm doing it for more than one day (Looking at you Dragon Quest II and Phantasy Star 1....). I throw a podcast on whenever I do that and find it meditating.
ForceStealer
Double Growth
When I was younger I used to hoard items, not any more. I have played enough RPGs to know I always get way more Elixirs and such then I'll ever need, so I use them pretty freely now. It has made a lot of RPGs way easier 
Fangu
Great Old One
I'm same as @ForceStealer - I used to hoard, but I've stopped doing it ever since watching speedrunning, for some reason. I'm more likely to gamble using up my items now. I've made sure to have at least 10 Ethers, Mega-Potions and Phoenix Downs, enough to last a difficult battle but no more. The only items I've been saving/ not using are Turbo Ethers and Elixirs, both because I haven't been in a tight enough spot to use one - I think I've used one Turbo Ether? Also I rarely find myself in a situation where I need both healing AND MP, so for me Elixirs are pretty much the same as Turbo Ethers. I'm actually not sure how many I have right now, might as well just start using them I guess 
Also, grinding - I haven't really been doing much of it in VIIR, and I feel like I've gained more than enough levels anyway.
Edit: When do you get the Battle Intel reports that gives you AP up? I only had two open ones at the time of starting chapter 15, they were that purple limit break materia (R something) and the "MAX all magic materia" one.
Also, grinding - I haven't really been doing much of it in VIIR, and I feel like I've gained more than enough levels anyway.
Edit: When do you get the Battle Intel reports that gives you AP up? I only had two open ones at the time of starting chapter 15, they were that purple limit break materia (R something) and the "MAX all magic materia" one.
Odysseus
Ninja Potato
- AKA
- Ody
I think I just enjoy the challenge of getting by without needing to rely on items. Spamming them just means you aren't playing well.
Heck, there have been times where I didn't use a summon because I just wanted to manage the fight myself.
I thinks that's why I'm enjoying hard mode so much, no items allowed. You just gotta "git gud" at the game, as the kids say.
Heck, there have been times where I didn't use a summon because I just wanted to manage the fight myself.
ForceStealer
Double Growth
I don't know how someone could NOT use Mega Potions by this point, Hi Potions don't cut it anymore, haha. And I use items when things are a little to hairy to risk Cure's cast time.
@Fangu Ap Up comes from a purple "Pedometer" materia. It changes after you take 5,000 steps with it equipped. (it's in the garden at Aerith's house)
@Fangu Ap Up comes from a purple "Pedometer" materia. It changes after you take 5,000 steps with it equipped. (it's in the garden at Aerith's house)
Fangu
Great Old One
Oh damn that Pedometer materia 
Yeah I got it, I saw the name and instanty thought "omg VIIR has Traveler ha ha"
(Traveler is a technique used a lot in XII speedruns)
While I see the argument on using items as making the game easier, items are also costilier to get. Not buying them saves you a bunch of money you can use on weapons and armour instead.
The latter main title games have had this thing where items are, as Force puts it, a time save. Items are OP in XII and all the XII games.
Yeah I got it, I saw the name and instanty thought "omg VIIR has Traveler ha ha"(Traveler is a technique used a lot in XII speedruns)
While I see the argument on using items as making the game easier, items are also costilier to get. Not buying them saves you a bunch of money you can use on weapons and armour instead.
The latter main title games have had this thing where items are, as Force puts it, a time save. Items are OP in XII and all the XII games.
I didn't know you can't use items in Hard Mode. I guess they realised how OP they can be in time based / interruption based games and decided to make that part of Hard Mode. I find that to be pretty neat.
LicoriceAllsorts
Donator
I somehow feel early game Cloud would make it a point of pride not to call for help from Summons. He's a SOLDIER first class, damn it, he needs no supernatural assistance.
Maidenofwar
They/Them
Apparently I have 9 Elixirs. I tried to steal one from the
but my party finished the fight off before I could. I have now completed all the chapter 14 sidequests I found except Corneo's secret stash, I still have the final stash left to find.
tonberry
ForceStealer
Double Growth
lol, that thing did tear through my supply of phoenix downs. I didn't bother healing since the attacks were OHK, so just tossed a rez each time while whittling it down
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
Tonberries are broken in this game. They're one of the most fucked up, lethal incarnations of the beasties I've seen in FF in a long time.
Nothing in this game gives complete 100% safety from instant death save for a mastered Warding materia with a Subversion materia.
The amount of AP to get it mastered means its going to be a long, long time before that happens.
Cloud's Punisher counter can sometimes block and counter the Chef Knife attack however, Gloom and Doom is another Instant Death move so you just either take it or hope you can guard against it.
FYI, in Hard Mode, Hell House will spew out 3 Tonberries during the fight against it.
Yeah.
Fuck tonberries in this game
Nothing in this game gives complete 100% safety from instant death save for a mastered Warding materia with a Subversion materia.
The amount of AP to get it mastered means its going to be a long, long time before that happens.
Cloud's Punisher counter can sometimes block and counter the Chef Knife attack however, Gloom and Doom is another Instant Death move so you just either take it or hope you can guard against it.
FYI, in Hard Mode, Hell House will spew out 3 Tonberries during the fight against it.
Yeah.
Fuck tonberries in this game
ForceStealer
Double Growth
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
Exactly.
They have less health but they literally do the same moves and carry the same lethality as the real deal. It's not like the fakes from the Fat Chocobo fight or anything. They'll Chef Knife you to death and you'll rage at your game going, "What the fuck is this shit?!"
They have less health but they literally do the same moves and carry the same lethality as the real deal. It's not like the fakes from the Fat Chocobo fight or anything. They'll Chef Knife you to death and you'll rage at your game going, "What the fuck is this shit?!"
ForceStealer
Double Growth
But at least you can't use phoenix downs 
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
But at least you can't use phoenix downs
Hope you've mastered that Revive materia
That's your toilet paper through the crisis that is Hard Mode lol
Tetsujin
he/they
- AKA
- Tets
Jimmy XH
Pro Adventurer
Are you having a laugh?
I am having fun rattling through play through number two on normal with a far greater understanding of what's going on, but what on earth is this?
I was quite looking forward to having a crack at hard mode, but not like this...I feel trapped!
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
I'm not kidding, at the beginning of the fight it's gonna spew out 3 tonberries. They have less health so 2 Triple Slashes from a high attack level 50 Cloud should take them out, that is if he doesn't get knifed during the attack or something.
It'll also spew out 2 Sweepers during the fight. One buzz-saw Sweeper and the other is a normal kind.
But it will spew out 3 tonberries twice during the fight. So be prepared. Literally had to fall back on those Auto-Life earrings because of how fucking stupid Tonberries are, alongside the broke ass Hell House too. I feel like the Hell House is the biggest kick in the face Hard Mode gives you during the main story mode but I'm still not done with it so take that with a grain of salt.
However, no fight or difficult situation in the Remake ever made me feel so cheated or abused like that fight did. LOL it was horrible but at least, satisfying to take down. Hell House on normal was fun and challenging on Normal.
Hell House on Hard almost felt like a superboss.
Keveh Kins
Pun Enthusiast
Pedometer materia?! What Chadley-ass bullshit is this?!
Sponsored by fucking Fitbit...Jesus wept.
From a purely lore perspective, this seems ridiculous. The memories and knowledge of the lifestream came together, crystallised and not you too can call forth the power of... Getting you steps in!
I jest, mostly. But it did make me go "What the fuck?"
Sponsored by fucking Fitbit...Jesus wept.
From a purely lore perspective, this seems ridiculous. The memories and knowledge of the lifestream came together, crystallised and not you too can call forth the power of... Getting you steps in!
I jest, mostly. But it did make me go "What the fuck?"