Final Fantasy XVI
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Both the FF MMOs have a lot more racial diversity than the other modern FF titles do. And the cultural differences to go with that (a solid half of FFXIV's plot is mainly cultural clashes) and it at least has NPCs with a pretty good age range.
One of the interesting things about the Creative Devision III is seeing how many environment artists, character designers, and story writers all worked on FFXII. A lot of them are also young enough to have played the early FF games as... normal people who liked playing video games. It's been mentioned by several of those creative devs in panels how it was the early FF games that inspired them to want to work in video-game development to begin with.
Saying that the FF franchise is old enough to have creative children is... not a bad way to put it. The series is old enough now where you have people who played FF games as kids are now making FF games. I think it's natural that they're going to see different things they can do with the series' staple concepts than the original creators did.
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I'm reminded of Nomura's comment on how the deciding factor behind committing to remaking FF7 was because a lot of the original developers were getting old and they might not be able to do it if they wait any longer. It's like we're seeing the last big work of the old guard side by side with the new generation in XVI. Kinda neat.
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A gender balance is one of the top three things I look for (and if it's included in the evil henchpeople, I'm sold...although the exception appears to be TLOU2.), it's a significant part of what I look for in the things I read/watch. But be honest about it, don't start going 'we finally get women' and when people start pointing out examples you can't go 'she doesn't count. Or her. Or her. Or her.'and then go write yaoi smut while complaining we don't have enough representation of women in fandom.
Sorry. Too much time on AO3 and to a lesser extent tumblr.
Edit: I still think Lightning and Cloud have nothing in common. They look, act, and think differently, their backgrounds are similar only in being 21. Light has a gruff facade because it's all that's keeping her from breaking down, Cloud's brain is poisoned by Mako and JENOVA.
Sorry. Too much time on AO3 and to a lesser extent tumblr.
Edit: I still think Lightning and Cloud have nothing in common. They look, act, and think differently, their backgrounds are similar only in being 21. Light has a gruff facade because it's all that's keeping her from breaking down, Cloud's brain is poisoned by Mako and JENOVA.
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Rewatching the trailer again on a larger screen and keeping the slight Japanese line differences in mind, I think the little kid Joshua might be linked to both Phoenix and Ifrit, not just one or the other. It seems like like after he gets traumatized and splashed with blood he summons Phoenix but then loses control and then transforms physically into Ifrit, which is why the older blonde bearded guy (if he's Joshua's older brother) is pleading for Joshua "to wake up" (in English) and/or for others to not attack him (in Japanese) when Ifrit is going berserk and spilling blood.
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good god I knew it made me think of something, but I couldn't place it.
also this is him now so the age progression kinda fits o_O
also this is him now so the age progression kinda fits o_O
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I think that's his twin brother actually.
lol you're right. they look more similar now than they did then hahaha.
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The trailer was so atmospheric and... fantastic! I know some people find it bland, but it's hard for me to get so hyped about anything these days so this is all very unusual. This is the most hyped I've felt for anything FF since or before FF7R!
The most normal looking thing were the chocobos at the beginning of the trailer and that's how it should be since they are domestic animals in FF...
hey look, blood! On a kid's face! Summons, people are summons now?! I love it!
When I noticed that characters disappeared while using a summon materia my first thought was "Do they become the summon or something?". That's a very interesting angle for a Final Fantasy, from gameplay to story and characters.
Maybe I'm just hyped because I love monsters lol but even then I find it all very refreshing.
And politcal plotting and scheming for flavor, Tactics style.
And a MC who forgot how to use a haircomb. Face tattoos are kinda silly but it looks like a mark more than a tattoo. Maybe they all are branded..? As traitors, maybe?
Final Dark Fantasy. I dig it.
The most normal looking thing were the chocobos at the beginning of the trailer and that's how it should be since they are domestic animals in FF...
hey look, blood! On a kid's face! Summons, people are summons now?! I love it!
When I noticed that characters disappeared while using a summon materia my first thought was "Do they become the summon or something?". That's a very interesting angle for a Final Fantasy, from gameplay to story and characters.
Maybe I'm just hyped because I love monsters lol but even then I find it all very refreshing.
And politcal plotting and scheming for flavor, Tactics style.
And a MC who forgot how to use a haircomb. Face tattoos are kinda silly but it looks like a mark more than a tattoo. Maybe they all are branded..? As traitors, maybe?
Final Dark Fantasy. I dig it.
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Underwhelming and bland.
Square-Enix seems to be suffering from shaky camera syndrome. Who's directing this, Michael Bay? As nauseating as watching Kingsglaive. Oh, and superfast Kingdom Hearts gameplay again -- yay (not). I can't see what's happening.
Character design...well, it looks like every other game, doesn't it. You can already see the (USA) box art now - Scarface, eyes down, holding a sword, looking moody.
Hey, Square, here's an really cool original idea to ramp up FFXVI marketing prior to release in 2037 - promise 23 bits of DLC (including Cloud's buster sword and Yuna's summoner dress), a CGI movie, an anime series and 12 phone games.
I was really hyped about Versus XIII/XV from the day it was announced. Then they said it would be a road trip with the Backstreet Boys and I was disappointed. Then I watched Kingsglaive. I still haven't bought XV. Hopefully XVI at least marks the death of XV.
Voice acting is uneventful - some awkward whispering and overacted lines in there - but I seem to be in the minority that think FFX had the best, most natural voice acting of the series. For most of the the trailer I had no idea which of the copy-paste characters are talking. Joshua's got a really deep voice sometimes!
Overall though, I really hope this prequel focuses more on the relationship between the Children of the Forest and the White Walkers, and I hope Bran the Builder is a playable character, and can summon a dire wolf.
Square-Enix seems to be suffering from shaky camera syndrome. Who's directing this, Michael Bay? As nauseating as watching Kingsglaive. Oh, and superfast Kingdom Hearts gameplay again -- yay (not). I can't see what's happening.
Character design...well, it looks like every other game, doesn't it. You can already see the (USA) box art now - Scarface, eyes down, holding a sword, looking moody.
Hey, Square, here's an really cool original idea to ramp up FFXVI marketing prior to release in 2037 - promise 23 bits of DLC (including Cloud's buster sword and Yuna's summoner dress), a CGI movie, an anime series and 12 phone games.
I was really hyped about Versus XIII/XV from the day it was announced. Then they said it would be a road trip with the Backstreet Boys and I was disappointed. Then I watched Kingsglaive. I still haven't bought XV. Hopefully XVI at least marks the death of XV.
Voice acting is uneventful - some awkward whispering and overacted lines in there - but I seem to be in the minority that think FFX had the best, most natural voice acting of the series. For most of the the trailer I had no idea which of the copy-paste characters are talking. Joshua's got a really deep voice sometimes!
Overall though, I really hope this prequel focuses more on the relationship between the Children of the Forest and the White Walkers, and I hope Bran the Builder is a playable character, and can summon a dire wolf.
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Lex
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This meme has been everywhere today so I couldn't resist using it
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Like how some special, wonderful people - truly a boon to our society - pronounce FFX "Final Fantasy Ex", I hope to popularise terming this game "Final Fantasy SVEE"
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since differences between the english and japanese has been brought up, and i did one for ff7r, i went to compare the scripts for this too. the english one i started myself until half way through i noticed there were subtitles on youtube, which is good because that's official and in my transcribing i wrote 'dolmex' because i didn't know the spelling lol. the japanese one i based on a transcript i found online but there was a stream of the showcase with japanese subtitles so i used those to bring it in line with the official text (although there was a part not in the japanese subs but in the japanese audio)
俺たちの任務は《ドミナント》の暗殺 (Our mission is the assassination of the Dominant.)
標的を間違えるなよ (Do not get the wrong target.)
You all know the target. Shiva's Dominant. And only the Dominant.
the japanese line makes it more explicit that their task is to murder the dominant.
女だろ 戦場で間違えるかよ (It's a woman, you think we'll mistake her on the battlefield?)
How do we know the girl will even be among them?
the japanese line seems to take for granted that she will be there, and doesn't really have the doubt of the english line
これがある限り 俺たちに拒否権は無い (As long as we have this [face tattoo], we have no right to refuse.)
疑問を持つな (Do not harbour doubts.)
Our kind do not question orders, we follow them.
the second line seems to be missing from the english trailer, or it got rolled into a single line. is 'our kind' clear that it means the tattoo? (the visuals do focus on them)
おい ありゃあ！？ (Hey, what's that!?)
Sergeant, they've summoned their Eikon.
this is either a different line, or vastly different.
くそッ 早々に召喚獣を出してきたか！ (Damn it, have they brought out their Eikon this quickly!)
Eikon? That thing's a bloody mountain!
same as above. the japanese term for 'eikon' is the same as most games in japanese.
マザークリスタルをめぐって また戦が始まる (Another war will start over the Mothercrystal.)
Our foe will not relinquish their Mothercrystal easily. This will be a bitter fight.
idk if war in this setting are always about taking crystals (a la ff type-0's). but the japanese line indicates previous conflicts (which is mentioned in a later line in english as well.
また部屋を抜け出して いけない子ね (Slipping out of your room again, naughty child.)
さあ ジョシュア (Come, Joshua.)
陛下をお迎えに上がりましょう (Let us go meet His Majesty.)
You should not be out of doors. We have discussed this. Come, Joshua. Your father will be expecting us.
this woman just sounds evil in japanese, i don't trust her.
ジョシュアのナイトだからな あいつを守ってやらなきゃ (I am Joshua's Knight, after all. I must protect him.)
I am Joshua's Shield. I'm sworn to protect him.
some differences in terminology
援軍を出せぬだと！？話が違う！それでは何の為の同盟だ！ (You won't send reinforcements!? That's not the agreement! Then what is the purpose of our alliance!)
What do you mean, you refuse? Did you not pledge your sword to our cause!?
the japanese subtitles on the showcase stream didn't include the middle line (that's not the agreement!), but it is in japanese audio
いったい何を焦っておいでか (What on earth are you fretting for?)
先の大陸戦争の折も 貴国は見事に奴らを防いだではありませんか (During the previous continental war, did you not successfully repel them?)
What does it matter? It was the Dhalmeks who drove back the Crusaders in the Battle of the Twin Realms, was it not?
this japanese line doesn't have so many terms
人はクリスタルの加護なしに生きて行けぬ (Man cannot live without the protection of the crystal.)
Without the blessing of the Mothercrystal, we cannot defend our realm from the spread of the Blight.
the japanese line uses 'crystal' instead of 'mothercrystal' and doesn't mention a 'blight'
竜騎士を送り込んでくるとは (So they're sending in the dragoons.)
ザンベルクの奴らめ 戦を始めたいのか (Zanberk dogs. Do they want to start a war?)
So, they sent in the dragoons. Imperial vipers. Do they really mean to invade us?
in a reversal, this time the japanese line introduces a new name for something, the empire is apparently called 'zanberk' (or something)
大公の息子だ！ (It's the Archduke's son!)
It's the Archduke's son.
the original transcription i found said "hyden/haiden's (?) son" but i couldn't make out the dialogue clearly, but the showcase stream subs said archduke. i initially thought the 'son' was the protagonist, but after the line before to joshua saying 'his majesty' i guess joshua is the archduke's son? (do you call archdukes 'majesty'?)
フェニックス！ (Phoenix!)
The Phoenix!
ジョシュア！やめろ！ (Joshua! Stop!)
Joshua, stop this!
フェニックスのほかに なぜ火の召喚獣が！ (Why is there an Eikon of Fire other than Phoenix!)
A second Eikon of Fire!? But... that's impossible!
phrased differently but not very different
これはクリスタルの加護を断ち切るための物語 (This is a story to end the protection of the crystals.)
The legacy of the crystals has shaped our history for long enough.
the japanese line sounds like it isn't dialogue? or it might be dialogue, idk
やめろ・・・やめてくれ・・・弟なんだ！ (Stop... Stop this... That's my [younger] brother!)
Please, Joshua! Wake up!
this was mentioned before
俺は 必ず奴を殺す (I swear I will kill [him?])
I'll kill you if it's the last thing I do.
the japanese line isn't talking to the someone he's going to kill? unless the english line is talking to himself
俺たちの任務は《ドミナント》の暗殺 (Our mission is the assassination of the Dominant.)
標的を間違えるなよ (Do not get the wrong target.)
You all know the target. Shiva's Dominant. And only the Dominant.
the japanese line makes it more explicit that their task is to murder the dominant.
女だろ 戦場で間違えるかよ (It's a woman, you think we'll mistake her on the battlefield?)
How do we know the girl will even be among them?
the japanese line seems to take for granted that she will be there, and doesn't really have the doubt of the english line
これがある限り 俺たちに拒否権は無い (As long as we have this [face tattoo], we have no right to refuse.)
疑問を持つな (Do not harbour doubts.)
Our kind do not question orders, we follow them.
the second line seems to be missing from the english trailer, or it got rolled into a single line. is 'our kind' clear that it means the tattoo? (the visuals do focus on them)
おい ありゃあ！？ (Hey, what's that!?)
Sergeant, they've summoned their Eikon.
this is either a different line, or vastly different.
くそッ 早々に召喚獣を出してきたか！ (Damn it, have they brought out their Eikon this quickly!)
Eikon? That thing's a bloody mountain!
same as above. the japanese term for 'eikon' is the same as most games in japanese.
マザークリスタルをめぐって また戦が始まる (Another war will start over the Mothercrystal.)
Our foe will not relinquish their Mothercrystal easily. This will be a bitter fight.
idk if war in this setting are always about taking crystals (a la ff type-0's). but the japanese line indicates previous conflicts (which is mentioned in a later line in english as well.
また部屋を抜け出して いけない子ね (Slipping out of your room again, naughty child.)
さあ ジョシュア (Come, Joshua.)
陛下をお迎えに上がりましょう (Let us go meet His Majesty.)
You should not be out of doors. We have discussed this. Come, Joshua. Your father will be expecting us.
this woman just sounds evil in japanese, i don't trust her.
ジョシュアのナイトだからな あいつを守ってやらなきゃ (I am Joshua's Knight, after all. I must protect him.)
I am Joshua's Shield. I'm sworn to protect him.
some differences in terminology
援軍を出せぬだと！？話が違う！それでは何の為の同盟だ！ (You won't send reinforcements!? That's not the agreement! Then what is the purpose of our alliance!)
What do you mean, you refuse? Did you not pledge your sword to our cause!?
the japanese subtitles on the showcase stream didn't include the middle line (that's not the agreement!), but it is in japanese audio
いったい何を焦っておいでか (What on earth are you fretting for?)
先の大陸戦争の折も 貴国は見事に奴らを防いだではありませんか (During the previous continental war, did you not successfully repel them?)
What does it matter? It was the Dhalmeks who drove back the Crusaders in the Battle of the Twin Realms, was it not?
this japanese line doesn't have so many terms
人はクリスタルの加護なしに生きて行けぬ (Man cannot live without the protection of the crystal.)
Without the blessing of the Mothercrystal, we cannot defend our realm from the spread of the Blight.
the japanese line uses 'crystal' instead of 'mothercrystal' and doesn't mention a 'blight'
竜騎士を送り込んでくるとは (So they're sending in the dragoons.)
ザンベルクの奴らめ 戦を始めたいのか (Zanberk dogs. Do they want to start a war?)
So, they sent in the dragoons. Imperial vipers. Do they really mean to invade us?
in a reversal, this time the japanese line introduces a new name for something, the empire is apparently called 'zanberk' (or something)
大公の息子だ！ (It's the Archduke's son!)
It's the Archduke's son.
the original transcription i found said "hyden/haiden's (?) son" but i couldn't make out the dialogue clearly, but the showcase stream subs said archduke. i initially thought the 'son' was the protagonist, but after the line before to joshua saying 'his majesty' i guess joshua is the archduke's son? (do you call archdukes 'majesty'?)
フェニックス！ (Phoenix!)
The Phoenix!
ジョシュア！やめろ！ (Joshua! Stop!)
Joshua, stop this!
フェニックスのほかに なぜ火の召喚獣が！ (Why is there an Eikon of Fire other than Phoenix!)
A second Eikon of Fire!? But... that's impossible!
phrased differently but not very different
これはクリスタルの加護を断ち切るための物語 (This is a story to end the protection of the crystals.)
The legacy of the crystals has shaped our history for long enough.
the japanese line sounds like it isn't dialogue? or it might be dialogue, idk
やめろ・・・やめてくれ・・・弟なんだ！ (Stop... Stop this... That's my [younger] brother!)
Please, Joshua! Wake up!
this was mentioned before
俺は 必ず奴を殺す (I swear I will kill [him?])
I'll kill you if it's the last thing I do.
the japanese line isn't talking to the someone he's going to kill? unless the english line is talking to himself
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No, that's incorrect. The proper etiquette is the following:
It's just a mistake. The confusion may stem from the fact that Archdukes' sons and daughters are called "princes" and "princesses", respectively.
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okay. i thought i might have confused or mistyped 陛下 and it was a different title maybe, but i checked and it is 陛下 which is only used for monarchs and emperors
disregard all that joshua stuff i said, i suck
disregard all that joshua stuff i said, i suck
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Archdukes are monarchs (literally prime-leader) the term describes a petty king, below an international authority like the Holy Roman Emperor, but as independent as you can be within a network of states. Again, gettin’ some Ivalice vibes.
“I’ll kill you if it’s the last thing I do” definitely seems to set up a Noctis vs. Joshua main plot, but the more I look at it, the more Joshua seems to be someone to protect/save, not destroy.
Joshua is the Ifrit dominant, and ONLY the dominant Ifrit. As far as I can tell, Phoenix is wrecking shit during the Empire’s assassination of the Archduke which inspires Ifrit to manifest/Joshua to go berserk and Eva Unit 01 his own countrymen. This could be the climax of Noctis’s flashback, and then we flash forward to him joining Gafgarion the Order of Very Fine Face Tattooed Men.
Super cringe that the Japanese line says “A woman on the battlefield? LOL.” Jesus fucking Christ.
“I’ll kill you if it’s the last thing I do” definitely seems to set up a Noctis vs. Joshua main plot, but the more I look at it, the more Joshua seems to be someone to protect/save, not destroy.
Joshua is the Ifrit dominant, and ONLY
Super cringe that the Japanese line says “A woman on the battlefield? LOL.” Jesus fucking Christ.