I am resurrecting this topic since someone wishes to have this argument and our front page is not the place for it.
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Yep, that’s what I was saying. There’s always a default. Anything new? It’s up to the player to decide. Isn’t it? Default is default. That’s just it.
But default doesn't mean canon. Nor does player choice. Only what is canon is canon.
Forgive me for thinking that Cloud’s affection is also taken into account.
Why would Cloud's affection have anything to do with Barret?
What ‘rest of the page?’ The ‘Here are the four dates’ page?
Nope, that and the page where it says the HW scene has a Low Affection version, a Deviation.
I'm not 'closing that off.' The page contains the full dialogue of the high highwind scene. Other pages and other books confirm that feelings are shared that night. Dismantled says nothing is shared during the low version of the scene.
Okay, they put it back. Still, there was the ‘….’ part.
Yes, because Cloud pauses. Ellipses denote a pause.
So the Canon is the High Affection HW Scene, the photo still shows a reference to the Low Affection version. That’s all I’m saying. The Low HW Scene is not ignored.
It does not show a reference to the low affection version. You keep asserting this. Please actually provide evidence.
You’re talking about Cloud coming back at the end of AC/ACC? For her feelings, it was said that Tifa has been hurt emotionally that others won’t easily detect, then goes “but” and adds that she has told Cloud her feelings many times. You don’t think those feelings were of ‘being hurt emotionally’?
And Cloud can't hurt her emotionally by accident? He can't do it by being increasingly emotionally distant as he works out his own issues? It must somehow relate to him loving a dead woman romantically?
Wow… He’s a liar? Tsk tsk. Bad Nomura. Oooh. Nojima does? Where did he say it? So I can read/hear it too.
He said Namine and Kairi were totally unconnected regarding KH2. And Nojima said it in an interview about the OTWTAS novellas.
HAHA! Forgive me for finding it funny, but i was merely confirming where you got the ‘one’s beloved’ part. And you did. Although, you did not have to challenge me to a duel. I never win in duels. )
Good. After nearly five years of bullshit, I'm sick of arguing about that word.
I thought Cloud originally said it then Tifa joined in, that’s why it became a joint effort. But, as it turns out, only Cloud was able to meet Aerith in the Promised Land. The Church was his promised land after all, and he was able to see Aerith there, at the end of AC.
But she wasn't why it was his promised land. Cloud's family gets the first focus, then his living friends, then Zack and Aerith get a mention in the second paragraph, which talks about them going back where they belong, the lifestream.
But you do not deny Nojima’s statement that no one other than Aerith could provide the forgiveness Cloud needed? And ‘failure to protect people who were important to him’ was mentioned. Couldn’t it mean ‘death of both Zack and Aerith’? Since he believed he had failed to protect them, leading to their deaths.
Zack, Aerith, Denzel, Tifa, everyone he thinks he's failed to protect. And Cloud has turned Aerith into the symbol of all his failures, so yes, she needs to be the one to symbolically forgive him for everyone so he can go back to being happy with his family.
So Marlene’s part of two families? Must be nice. Doesn’t Barret have a room in 7th Heaven? Since in CoT, he was able to sleep with Marlene the night before he left. So doesn’t that make him part of 7th Heaven? So, in CoT where Marlene said that she’ll add Cloud into the family, she was not thinking that Barret, her adopted father, was already a part of it, that only she and Tifa was the original, with the addition of Cloud? Aww… poor Barret.
Barret lived at the house for an entire week. He might have slept in what is used as Cloud's office. Marlene probably does include Barret in that family. Cloud, Tifa, Denzel, Barret, and the creators, do not include him in the 7th heaven 'family of three' and family of four'
In fact, that 'promised land' quote you just referenced has Cloud NOT INCLUDE BARRET when listing the members of his family.
Well, he changes after Denzel was taken in. And he had originally thought the kid was brought to him by Aerith, then Tifa adds that Denzel was brought to their home. And Cloud mostly speaks with the kids, since Denzel was able to share more with Cloud than Tifa.
No, Denzel mostly speaks with Cloud. There's a difference. CoT does not that Cloud was acting more sociable with everyone, and the silly conversatons he and Tifa used to have were happening again. IOW, he was enjoying himself again. IOW, as we are told elsewhere, he was happy there.
Oh? A second credits sequence? Why haven’t I watched that in my copy of AC?
Because you have and insist on calling it a music video, which it's not.
And the day off, wasn’t it Yuffie who gave him the idea, with the one she sent to him, a “Closed” sign i think? And the call was viewed from a Third person since we couldn’t here Tifa’s side. So someone must be watching the conversation from afar.
Yuffie gave him the sign. Cloud acted on it. And no, someone doesn't need to be watching the convo from afar. Anymore than they had to be when we only heard Kadaj's half of the conversation at the start of the movie.
The part of father and mother figures, I’m not gonna say that it wasn’t as you said it is because that’s what is was shown in AC/ACC really.
Good. Some people from the CxA forums would insist Cloud was just another child or a rebellious teenager as far as his role went. Good to see you aren't among their number.
I view a discussion as merely exchanging opinions. Debate however, is influencing the other and proving your side. I’ve been in many so I should know how not to make things a debate.
Again, very little effective difference.
liulu said:
But Aerith and Cloud are also in the pages in the Gold Soucer, dont they ?????
They do, but consider that their date contains Aerith trying to confess something to Cloud and him just not getting it, and that the text below the picture shown discusses the outcome of the date minigame rather than the content of the scene shown, unlike the Highwind picture and the other pictures on the page.
