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The Love Triangle of FFVII – An Analysis by Squall_of_SeeD

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Ahh, the Love Triangle of Final Fantasy VII. It is arguably, the most passionately discussed topic of all of FFVII fandom. Going by the comments on this site, at least.

Today, we post the next article from his FAQ, written by Squall_of_SeeD. In this one, he’ll analyze the hot button topic of Cloud’s feelings and affections for the two heroines of FFVII: Aerith and Tifa. What do the creators and story have to say regarding Cloud’s feelings for the two? Anything? Squall_of_SeeD gives us the answer.

With great pleasure, we host this controversial, yet well written and insightful analysis. Enjoy!

EDIT: As expected, Squall_of_SeeD and I have received lot’s of feedback, both positive and negative, regarding this article. Squall_of_SeeD decided that it was necessary to address several of the additional points and critiques of his analysis that were mentioned, and with that, he has amended several portions of his FAQ regarding his analysis. You can read the newly edited article below.

EDIT2:
Squall_of_SeeD is such a slave driver making me update this FAQ again, today, the eve of Halloween. But he’s just a stickler for completion. So again. Take a look at what else has been added XD

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Initially, I’d intended for this FAQ to ignore the Love Triangle
Debate like a plague. It succeeded in that for a good number of years, but updating it after an absence of more than three years from this fandom, I feel a need to address this topic.

Why? You know, I’m really not sure. Probably because it’s hard to call the FAQ’s analysis complete when I don’t even talk about what remains the most passionately and frequently debated aspect of the game more than 12 years after its release.

The Love Triangle Debate, of course, centers around whether Cloud had more romantic feelings toward Aerith or Tifa. Basically, who did he want to be with?

Twelve years after the release of Final Fantasy VII, the most passionately and frequently debated aspect of the game remains the Love Triangle Debate.

For those nine of you who don’t know, the Love Triangle Debate centers around whether Cloud had more romantic feelings toward Aerith or Tifa. Basically, who did he want to be with?

Those fans who prefer — or “‘ship”, as the verb goes — CloudxAerith are known in the fandom as Cleriths, while those who ‘ship’ CloudxTifa are called Clotis. That being said, obviously a Clerith may still argue that Cloti is canon, and a Cloti might argue the opposite if it’s what they believe.

Generally speaking though, those in both camps argue in favor of their preferred relationship as canon.

While I’ve had my preference since the beginning, it was initially based on my own preferences in women. More to the point, I couldn’t stand Aerith and adored Tifa. That’s still the case 12 years later, though it obviously doesn’t have to be the same for Cloud.

None of that is to say that I don’t like Aerith; just not in “that way,” if you get me. I simply prefer more somber and restrained females. Still, if you fear my declared preference for Tifa may bias my views in this analysis, that’s not an unreasonable concern.

However, in any public address, it’s necessary to state one’s personal views upfront. Otherwise, it becomes a question of honesty.

Whether I am credible I leave to each of you to decide.

I do believe this, though: You won’t find someone with no opinion on the LTD actually discussing the matter at length. Not only because it takes a vested interest in the first place, but because it’s impossible.

Anyone analyzing data and drawing conclusions from it, even if they began as neutral, no longer is by the end of the process. This is as true of researchers making employ of the scientific method as it is of scholars conducting media analysis.

They must, of course, attempt to distance themselves as much as possible while drawing their conclusions, though. You are free to determine otherwise if not convinced, but I believe my three-and-a-half-year absence from this fandom has given me a degree of distance. I will tell you outright that I could not have objectively discussed this matter in 2005.

I believe I can do so now.

In any case, as said, I am a Cloti. Accommodating me and so many others, the original game’s developers designed it such that the player’s own choices influence who Cloud’s affection is greatest for in the original game.

The way several scenes play out are influenced by this, and, consequently, it left Cloud’s feelings ambiguous at the end of the game. As an additional consequence, it meant players would debate, disagree with and flame one another for more than the next decade since there was no definitive answer.

There were no official declarations in interviews, no scenes in the newer FFVII titles featuring Cloud and one of the ladies in an overtly romantic context, and no apparent end in sight to the blood feud that lay between fans of the two pairings.

The only statement about Cloud’s feelings that could be given with complete confidence is that he cared about both women very much. Now, however, I believe more than that can be done.

I believe there’s now a definitive answer.

The only statement about Cloud’s feelings that could be given with complete confidence is that he cared about both women very much. Now, however, more than that can be done.

There’s now a definitive answer.

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  1. Dutch Dread
    #1 Dutch Dread 29 May, 2020, 11:25

    Well structured and reasoned. Your arguments and conclusions basically mirror mine after researching this topic in anticipation of the remake.
    I think the overarching theme and moral of your argument, the one thing that should be remembered from it, isn’t the individual arguments, but the overall effort required to make the arguments.

    I’ve studied game design, and looked at this story from all angles, and no matter how I look at it, the compilation of FFVII doesn’t make as much sense when Aerith and Cloud are put in the position of “true love”, whatever that means.

    This is the one thing that all the counter arguments seem to miss, yes, you COULD technically squirm and force any statement or event to fit a Clerith narrative, if you try hard enough. But when that’s a constant necessity then the reasonable answer to this is simply to use Occam’s Razor, and conclude that the reading of the story that requires the least assumptions, is the more reasonable reading.

    From what I can tell, in general, a Cloti interpretation of the evidence requires you to basically accept everything that has been said on the matter to generally be true, and simply determine in what way these puzzle pieces fit together most naturally. What reading of the story fits most pieces, most organically?

    Clerith argumentation meanwhile seems more based on trying to disprove opposing arguments/statements by finding other arguments and statements that seemingly contradict them.
    This then allows them to throw out a part of the evidence, and force the remaining evidence to fit the narrative that they want.

    There is a lot of “this COULD technically mean something”, and :”this could technically NOT mean something”, without a lot of, “well, lets just look at it at face value, the reason Cloud is mentioned to conforms his feelings with Tifa, and is mentioned starting a family with her, is probably because he has feelings for Tifa and is starting a family with her”.

    I personally have started to detest the LTD, I feel like it’s a bad aftertaste from FFVII that it would be better off without. More than that, I find it annoying that a game with themes about moving on and dealing with the past is perpetually stuck in time because one part of the fanbase apparently doesn’t want to move on. There are two perfectly fine couples here Square, just make it official, this back and forth ambiguity nonsense harms the integrity of your products themes and morals.

    ACC and CC were a good step, but apparently not definitive enough. Just end the remake with Cloud and Tifa happy together, and with Aerith and Zack resolved together in some way. And let people go on with their lives.

    People love stories, not debates, those are fun for a while, but in the end, we want closure, we want to know what happens, and it’s been 23 years of fighting over a girl Cloud has known for just over a week…..I am done with this, it’s time.

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  2. HighFlowerPower
    #2 HighFlowerPower 8 November, 2020, 06:22

    There is no Aerith x Zack post-FF7. For such a detailed analysis, you misinterpreted a lot about Aerith and Zack – such as the ACC ending. The sword in Aerith’s church isn’t a sign of Cloud being a fan of them or whatever romantic implications you’re trying to pin on it. Aerith and Zack both being dead but having been intimate in CC ALSO doesn’t mean they’re together. And in fact, most of the canon post-FF7 material shows that Aerith’s feelings have moved on from Zack.

    Cloud and Tifa are together.

    Aerith and Zack are not.

    Zack goes back to the lifestream.

    Aerith goes on as a steadying force who has not joined the Lifestream yet, but remains “single” (it doesn’t really matter, she’s evolved beyond these things).

    THAT ^ is the canon interpretation of Final Fantasy VII that the creators have built the Compilation on, including Remake.

    I just can’t stand people making arguments about Cloud and Tifa that justify them through the existence of Aerith and Zack. Cloud and Tifa’s story is separate from Aerith and Zack, and there’s just far too much canon evidence in the Ultimanias and from the development team that show everything involving Aerith and Zack as a couple stops during the course of Final Fantasy VII.

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  3. Just A Fan
    #3 Just A Fan 16 January, 2021, 10:29

    This was a fantastic read! I love how you included counter arguments from the Clerith POV and broke those down as well. Now with the remake out, I would love to see this article updated with an analysis on the changes made in the remake!

    A lot of the old Clerith arguments (the flower was optional, jail scene, Marlene telling Cloud Aerith likes him, etc) were removed and instead they jammed the remake full of new and exciting Cloti moments. For me personally, the two biggest changes made was Aerith’s resolution where she tells Cloud to his face that if he thought he was in love with her, then it “wasn’t real” and that they made Marlene show Aerith the flower she gave to Cloud, who ultimately gave it to Tifa. In one of the new Ultimanias, they even talked about how they were planning to have an entire section where you get to play as Tifa as the heroine and explore her thoughts and feelings about Cloud. I’m not sure how much clearer it can get that the developers have thought about the LTD and how they’re going to retell it in the remake. It seems pretty obvious to me that they’re pushing the Cloti is canon narrative so much harder in the remake, perhaps they realize how convoluted the LTD is and all this teasing-ambiguity about who Cloud loves is outdated.

    Not to mention all the new Zerith references? Can we talk about that? Did anyone else notice how the developers had a Zerith reference in nearly every Clerith moment in Sector 5? The heavy Zerith reference at the end?

    Maybe I’m jumping the gun but the Cloti and Zerith imagery is overwhelming in the remake compared to the OG and if this is the tone of how the rest of the remake is heading, well RIP Clerith.

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